SanguineShark

SanguineShark

I am the monster you created
Jun 23, 2023
228
I started crying because I think of the recent moments when people showed me that they like me or want to spend time with me, and it's absolutely incomprehensible to me that anyone would ever like me or love me. I don't feel like I deserve love, I think I'm a bad person, a burden and just worthless. I don't mean to sound ungrateful, I just feel like people are wasting time on me. I think there are better people out there that would provide more benefit to their lives. I don't understand why I have best friends who I'm in contact with daily, I don't understand why my mom still thinks about me and my needs sometimes and why in the world my family would miss my presence at a Christmas eve dinner (I decided to stay alone at home). People tell me they like me, but my brain just cannot comprehend that information.. that might be the worst part of it all. I just get anxious and feel the need to "escape" the situation, isolate etc. I don't know if I'll ever be able to truly trust and believe someone when they tell me they love me.
 
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Golden Slumbers

golden slumbers fill your eyes
Jan 23, 2023
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Most of my inner thoughts are just relentless seething and bitterness for people that have what I don't. It's really disgusting and I do hate myself for it.
 
tiger b

tiger b

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As it's a discussion, not a vent, from your previous posts I can see why people would like you and want to spend time with you.

If you could duplicate yourself and see yourself from the outside, you'd probably see that, too. Probably...
 
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SanguineShark

SanguineShark

I am the monster you created
Jun 23, 2023
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As it's a discussion, not a vent, from your previous posts I can see why people would like you and want to spend time with you.

If you could duplicate yourself and see yourself from the outside, you'd probably see that, too. Probably...
it was meant to be a vent, I guess I forgot to use the flare

It's hard for me to imagine myself from the outside, it just makes me sad and I start to cry. I do feel some conflicted emotions, I just worry that person I'm looking at (myself), I worry they're making mistakes, at the same time I can't really pinpoint any proof why that person wouldn't be at least somewhat enjoyable to keep around. I guess I can make others laugh, and people like that. I just feel like no matter what I do, I have 0 worth and I hate myself. I hate that I'm just a walking disorder, a husk of a person made out of trauma reactions. And I also hate myself for being so weak, I know my personality disorder isn't just trauma, from what I read developing bpd also requires that the traumatized child is sensitive by nature, so the trauma, even if mild, hurts more and causes more distress. I think there's a lot of people who suffer wayy more than I did, but I still just feel like a completely broken waste of space.
I'm convinced that if I died, no one would really miss me. I would probably cause a disturbance, maybe cause some grief as it's just a natural human reaction to death of someone they knew, but I think thinking about it deeper, about me, people would just realize that there was truly nothing about me worth loving, I have no significant qualities, I think people are just blind or just tolerate me, I probably don't cause enough harm to leave me, but I know it's a ticking bomb. I know when I fucked up enough times, people will realize that I'm truly worthless and will abandon me. That's why it's important I sacrifice myself, without doing that I'd just have 0 friends.
 
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Celerity

Celerity

shape without form, shade without colour
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Truly shitty people don't hate themselves. You can hurt all your life and it not be your fault, not even a tiny bit. All my life, I found the Just-world hypothesis ridiculous (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis), but it seems like I had a hard time applying that thinking to myself.

Everything bad that happened to me, I deserved. When I hurt someone as we all sometimes do, it couldn't just be a mistake but rather a sign of my intractably malevolent character. This was why I was miserable, why I felt like I did not belong. There was something seriously wrong with me at the core of my being that could never be fixed, and everyone knew it deep down; they just couldn't admit it to themselves or be honest with me.

These feelings are the hallmarks of trauma and abuse. They feel so unique, like you're the only person in the world for whom they are true, but they are as regular and predictable as the tides. Read Healing the Shame that Binds You by John Bradshaw. You don't have to go along with everything the man says, but I bet you would find his description of childhood trauma enlightening.
 
SanguineShark

SanguineShark

I am the monster you created
Jun 23, 2023
228
Truly shitty people don't hate themselves. You can hurt all your life and it not be your fault, not even a tiny bit. All my life, I found the Just-world hypothesis ridiculous (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis), but it seems like I had a hard time applying that thinking to myself.

Everything bad that happened to me, I deserved. When I hurt someone as we all sometimes do, it couldn't just be a mistake but rather a sign of my intractably malevolent character. This was why I was miserable, why I felt like I did not belong. There was something seriously wrong with me at the core of my being that could never be fixed, and everyone knew it deep down; they just couldn't admit it to themselves or be honest with me.

These feelings are the hallmarks of trauma and abuse. They feel so unique, like you're the only person in the world for whom they are true, but they are as regular and predictable as the tides. Read Healing the Shame that Binds You by John Bradshaw. You don't have to go along with everything the man says, but I bet you would find his description of childhood trauma enlightening.
I'm sorry to hear about your pain, I hope you will heal and feel better. Thank you, I might check out the book
 
Celerity

Celerity

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I'm sorry to hear about your pain, I hope you will heal and feel better. Thank you, I might check out the book
I am better now, but I can still write about the experience because I felt that way for years. Do read the book, particularly when he talks about his troubled childhood. He does a good job explaining how childhood abuse and neglect create feelings of worthlessness in people.
 
SanguineShark

SanguineShark

I am the monster you created
Jun 23, 2023
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I am better now, but I can still write about the experience because I felt that way for years. Do read the book, particularly when he talks about his troubled childhood. He does a good job explaining how childhood abuse and neglect create feelings of worthlessness in people.
Thank you, it does make sense why I feel worthless now, I was abandoned by my father (I was born into a fresh divorce) and even when he would show up and pay me a little attention, he would only insult me. Not helping how now as an adult, he once called me on the phone and told me it was my fault he didn't pay attention to me when I was a child, because according to him, I was busy playing. The fact my biological father would go out of his way, to this extreme, to put the blame of the neglect onto me just makes me feel like there must be something deeply wrong with me to not be worth loving by my father. I keep crying and feel like I must have deserved it.
 
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Thank you, it does make sense why I feel worthless now, I was abandoned by my father (I was born into a fresh divorce) and even when he would show up and pay me a little attention, he would only insult me. Not helping how now as an adult, he once called me on the phone and told me it was my fault he didn't pay attention to me when I was a child, because according to him, I was busy playing. The fact my biological father would go out of his way, to this extreme, to put the blame of the neglect onto me just makes me feel like there must be something deeply wrong with me to not be worth loving by my father. I keep crying and feel like I must have deserved it.
The gist of it is that children are almost preprogrammed psychologically to idealize their parents, no matter how shitty, because of our dependence on them. In the most fucked up way imaginable, it is safer to denigrate ourselves than risk pushing away our parents. That is how you end up with situations like yours.

As an adult, you can look back and realize that none of it was your fault. Unfortunately, the feeling lingers. It took me several years before the truth could sink in fully. I cried a lot when I read the book. It felt like a dam burst open inside me when it all came together in my mind for the first time. Even after that, I had to process it again and again for the realization to stick.
 
SanguineShark

SanguineShark

I am the monster you created
Jun 23, 2023
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The gist of it is that children are almost preprogrammed psychologically to idealize their parents, no matter how shitty, because of our dependence on them. In the most fucked up way imaginable, it is safer to denigrate ourselves than risk pushing away our parents. That is how you end up with situations like yours.

As an adult, you can look back and realize that none of it was your fault. Unfortunately, the feeling lingers. It took me several years before the truth could sink in fully. I cried a lot when I read the book. It felt like a dam burst open inside me when it all came together in my mind for the first time. Even after that, I had to process it again and again for the realization to stick.
I'm glad it could help you, I will check it out, I do feel stuck like I can't be ever fixed, but I do still have a scheduled interview to go to a daytime psych ward for intensive therapy, I might as well read a book during this time, as it's kinda my last real attempt to get help before I probably give up.
 
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Unattainable666

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Mar 31, 2023
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What makes you feel you don't deserve love?
 
Abyssal

Abyssal

Probably gonna die soon maybe?
Nov 26, 2023
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When I look at the world around me, I believe everyone is deserving of love. It's something all should have.

It's easier said than done to apply to oneself, but I believe you deserve it.
 
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Adûnâi

Adûnâi

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I wish anyone would waste time on me (aside from my mom lmao I'm not into incest).
 
PinkyStat

PinkyStat

It’s killing me
Jun 4, 2023
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You haven't done nothing wrong, but im in the same boat as you, i might sound like a hypocrite when i say that you deserve love when im also isolated (havent answered no one in a while, just rotting in my room for some months) but I mean, you dont deserve to be hated or anything like that
 
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I started crying because I think of the recent moments when people showed me that they like me or want to spend time with me, and it's absolutely incomprehensible to me that anyone would ever like me or love me. I don't feel like I deserve love, I think I'm a bad person, a burden and just worthless. I don't mean to sound ungrateful, I just feel like people are wasting time on me. I think there are better people out there that would provide more benefit to their lives. I don't understand why I have best friends who I'm in contact with daily, I don't understand why my mom still thinks about me and my needs sometimes and why in the world my family would miss my presence at a Christmas eve dinner (I decided to stay alone at home). People tell me they like me, but my brain just cannot comprehend that information.. that might be the worst part of it all. I just get anxious and feel the need to "escape" the situation, isolate etc. I don't know if I'll ever be able to truly trust and believe someone when they tell me they love me.
So I think the main issue here is there are two interpretations of signals in life, as we grow up. One is a genuine signal that we are unworthy. So, maybe you looked at someone, and smiled, and they showed a negative reaction to you, as if to signal "You are unworthy". Let's just grant that.
The second kind, is a kind of confusion, which we interpret as this signal. So suppose someone has horrific anxiety, and you look at them, smile, and they look away, but you *interpret* this as the first signal. If you could ask them, to clear things up, they would probably say , "No no, I don't think you're unworthy at all! It's actually me, It's me who can't connect, it's my fault! I'm sorry!". But this clarification never comes about, so the conclusion is again, "I am unworthy". Okay?
Now all of our lives, we are internalizing these signals. We are taking in these representations the world has of us, and saying, "Yes, okay, this *is* us-- this is what I am-- an unworthy person".
On top of this, we may be judging ourselves, with pathological guilt, shame, regret, unhappiness about who/what we are. Anxiety about what we'll fail to do based on past struggles.
All of this compounds and becomes a representation of your "self".
But so much of this is actually confused. Because for one, you didn't make any of this. For two, a lot of it is judgements from people who have shitty values, since those values come from just arbitrary evolution and not from some source of ethical insights. So for example, suppose there's a "conventionally ugly" person, and they want human connection, they see someone coming, a stranger-- they hopefully look to see if there's some validation. But no, it's rejection. Once again, " I am unworthy" is the message, it is taken in as reality, but it's a false reality because it has no basis in anything truly concrete. It would be like aliens from another planet saying "Yuck, look! That one has a head, two arms, and legs, how disgusting! That's not what *we* like, our preferences are the correct ones!" <-- absurd, yes? So if this is absurd , then the same kind of arbitrary human preferences, must also be absurd.
All of this may make sense now, but we still get lost in these human narratives which act like bugs in our brain.
What I'm trying to say is: You're nowhere near unworthy, it's all just random bullshit with no meaning, it's a nonsense story you've been convinced of. Every being, just by being alive, ought to have goodness come to them, whatever that is. That's just what goodness is, it's the intention to want good things for things that can experience good. And you're included in that, since everyone is. It's just that we don't live in the world which really cares about that kind of concept, we live in a world closer to the kind of confusion of the superficial and antisocial aliens in the example above.
 
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SanguineShark

SanguineShark

I am the monster you created
Jun 23, 2023
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What makes you feel you don't deserve love?
I'm a burden, I slowly poison and destroy every close relationship because I'm just
a walking disorder. I'm needy and emotionally unstable. I don't think anyone ever truly loved me, and that's enough proof, there's just nothing to love. If someone loved me, it means they're delusional or just didn't see the truth yet - that I'm worthless and loving me is a waste.
You haven't done nothing wrong, but im in the same boat as you, i might sound like a hypocrite when i say that you deserve love when im also isolated (havent answered no one in a while, just rotting in my room for some months) but I mean, you dont deserve to be hated or anything like that
I'm sorry to hear that. I think the people close to me deserve the most love and I always do my best to provide it. I recognise I'm an exception to the "everyone deserves love" rule, which I guess is kinda sad.
 
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marina

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Jan 23, 2023
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I'm a burden, I slowly poison and destroy every close relationship because I'm just
a walking disorder. I'm needy and emotionally unstable. I don't think anyone ever truly loved me, and that's enough proof, there's just nothing to love. If someone loved me, it means they're delusional or just didn't see the truth yet - that I'm worthless and loving me is a waste.

I'm sorry to hear that. I think the people close to me deserve the most love and I always do my best to provide it. I recognise I'm an exception to the "everyone deserves love" rule, which I guess is kinda sad.
After treating my friends like a sociopath and some of them still appreciating me, I realized that its not entirely up to me whether somebody likes me or not, so long as you have an appreciation for them. And some people just give love no matter what. It's near impossible to genuinely feel connected if you think you don't deserve it, my bsf always tried to carefully make sure I felt loved and understood from my genuine perspective, which was always toxic and disordered. Although she was clearly delusional in a lot of ways we worked pretty well when one of us wasn't losing our minds or in a ward. No matter how much I believe I have nothing to provide to a relationship, other people still manage to see it, and sometimes they don't believe they deserve the love they receive either. The world might be hard, but many people are able to be soft and love sharing it. Rarely have I ever seen anybody genuinely worse off solely due to a close relationship. Better to love and lose or whatever. Sometimes you're too impulsive one week to be sociable, and on the second week you are a pretty good friend. I've never met anybody truly like.. unsociable, just people that haven't met the right, understanding, people.
 
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SanguineShark

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I am the monster you created
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I feel a bit better now after crying. I'll try to not be too hard on myself I guess.
 
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