Venting I could never understand the view that suicide must be the “last resort”

[FuneralCry]

This is something that I often read and I don't agree suicide should be referred to in this way, instead of being a "last resort", I see suicide as being a human right which everyone has, it's a personal decision when to leave and I think that wanting suicide is a logical response to having awareness that existence is filled with suffering, and is something so dreadful and futile. To me suicide will always be the first choice, as we all have to cease existing someday and I would prefer to take control over my inevitable fate, and I view it as always being preferable to not exist no matter what, I view existence as being a tragic, horrific mistake and for me the only relief lies in being able to permanently not exist, as it's freedom from everything.

The view that suicide must be the "last resort" implies that existing is something valuable and is the more desirable state, it also suggests that death is something that is best avoided, all of which I don't agree with. I could never see existing as being appealing and I could never see a point to any of this, we are just slowly dying, destined to die and be forgotten about.

And I could never see any value in suffering so unnecessarily where the potential for existing to get much more unbearable is always there, I see leaving this world as being ideal as to die solves all problems in which there never were a need for in the first place. And anyway we are destined for nowhere but to return to the state of non-existence, one cannot avoid death, it's something completely normal anyway, which is why it's so absurd to me how suicide is purposely made so difficult and inaccessible in this world.

 

[DurkheimsCat]

Agreed. I think other people have a different view on the "sanctity of life" which I don't share.

 

[Anon1337]

If you can recover and live a good life then that's better than ctb.

 

[TheSpookyNameGuy]

There is no beauty, only misery and suffering.

We come here to this planet to pay taxes and provide our parents a sense of purpose, which is stupid but then again I'm not the one with the ego trip.

When all is said and done you typically live a copy paste life like everyone else, get older and wither away while you sit at the pub, bald with a pint and a face like cowhide leather.

Maybe you watch the game and shit out vintage tales to whoever hasn't died of cancer or cardiac arrest yet.

Utterly disgusting, all things are temporary and have little meaning, life is a horror show fellas.

 

[irregularreconcile]

You worded this perfectly, I 100% agree. The longer I have suffered by existing, the more and more I see that the essence of suicide prevention at this time and morality of it is built off of outsider's selfishness. I hate we all have to experience this to really understand it firsthand.

 

[CrazyDiamond04]

I disagree personally. I think that suicide should, generally speaking, be a last resort when other options are exhausted. A lot of stuff that occurs in life is based on luck and other factors and for a decent portion of suicidal people, their problems are solve-able. That being said, I think suicide is ultimately a personal choice. It's a complicated subject.

 

[irregularreconcile]

I disagree personally. I think that suicide should, generally speaking, be a last resort when other options are exhausted. A lot of stuff that occurs in life is based on luck and other factors and for a decent portion of suicidal people, their problems are solve-able. That being said, I think suicide is ultimately a personal choice. It's a complicated subject.

I think that's a totally understandable opinion to have.

I do believe people should have full autonomy over their choices, so that includes when to choose death if desired, but your quote of problems being solve-able is also correct.

I suppose each individual's cases are unique, thus making it complicated as mentioned. This is worthy bringing up, though; Thank you for this insight.

 

[myusername890]

I've never understood this as well. Life could never truly be worth living, and non-existence will always be a better state than being alive. Especially in a world like this, suicide is most rational choice.

 

[thelookingontheway]

Totally agreed. I had this intention in my childhood but I only realize it recently.
Whenever I was under painful control of someone else, I would be desperately reminded like: "No way you can control my thoughts, even if my life wouldn't belong to me anymore, my death is still up to me."(BTW I never do things to possibly make me in jail or psychological hospital so that I won't lose the ability to kill myself)
This thoughts actually protected me from being gaslighted and losing motivation to find other way to escape. The crazy fact is that the thought of suicidal actually empowers me: When death is the first choice for me, naturally I could look down to find the second choice, or the third, that way death won't be the last choice for me, in which I won't be afraid either.
There always is a freedom land in my mind, which is death. My thirsty for freedom and the truth of "Death is the real freedom" are correlated.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I agree. It has to be up to the individual. For SOME people- suicide likely would be their last resort. For whatever reason- they find enough value in life to want to hang onto it for as long as possible. Who knows why- maybe they want to see their grandchildren grow up. Maybe they want to finish writing a book. That's fine- and up to them.

It SHOULD still be an option for all of us though. The trouble is- those sorts of people sometimes seem to project their life loving opinions on us. So- even if you are in the pits of despair now- and always have been- you CAN be happy. You damn WILL be happy and even if you're not- you'll still be begrudgingly alive- and that's good enough for them- because supposedly one day- things WILL turn around.

I agree though- it HAS to be choice at the end of the day. It's not particularly fair to keep people here against their will because 'they think they know best'. I think it's ok to show concern and support. To suggest things that may 'help' but at the end of the day- the individual has to WANT that 'help'. Not everybody does.

 

[DazaiKinnie]

This is something that I often read and I don't agree suicide should be referred to in this way, instead of being a "last resort", I see suicide as being a human right which everyone has, it's a personal decision when to leave and I think that wanting suicide is a logical response to having awareness that existence is filled with suffering, and is something so dreadful and futile. To me suicide will always be the first choice, as we all have to cease existing someday and I would prefer to take control over my inevitable fate, and I view it as always being preferable to not exist no matter what, I view existence as being a tragic, horrific mistake and for me the only relief lies in being able to permanently not exist, as it's freedom from everything.

The view that suicide must be the "last resort" implies that existing is something valuable and is the more desirable state, it also suggests that death is something that is best avoided, all of which I don't agree with. I could never see existing as being appealing and I could never see a point to any of this, we are just slowly dying, destined to die and be forgotten about.

And I could never see any value in suffering so unnecessarily where the potential for existing to get much more unbearable is always there, I see leaving this world as being ideal as to die solves all problems in which there never were a need for in the first place. And anyway we are destined for nowhere but to return to the state of non-existence, one cannot avoid death, it's something completely normal anyway, which is why it's so absurd to me how suicide is purposely made so difficult and inaccessible in this world.

The state of being non-existent is better than the state of being alive, you can't experience anything, you aren't aware, you can't be depraved, heartbroken, ill, and whatever other form of suffering is imposed on the living. I don't know why people don't see this. We will die anyway, it's unavoidable, I don't know why people still cling to this notion of life having huge value, I can't explain it why.

 

[SilentSadness]

Whether suicide is a last resort or not is irrelevant to me, after all if others want to live that is up to them. I don't care how anyone else views ctb, as long as I have the power.

 

[helplessufferer]

existing is not valuable nor meaningful by itself. if someone is enjoying their life more than they suffer, their life will be subjectively valuable to them. when it's the other way around, they won't desire to live and existing will be a curse for them. i think we can't say life has an objective value/meaning whether it's negative or positive.

however i think something is fundamentally wrong with humankind and this world order humankind created is merciless and absurd.

 

[SpiderLink]

This is something that I often read and I don't agree suicide should be referred to in this way, instead of being a "last resort", I see suicide as being a human right which everyone has, it's a personal decision when to leave and I think that wanting suicide is a logical response to having awareness that existence is filled with suffering, and is something so dreadful and futile. To me suicide will always be the first choice, as we all have to cease existing someday and I would prefer to take control over my inevitable fate, and I view it as always being preferable to not exist no matter what, I view existence as being a tragic, horrific mistake and for me the only relief lies in being able to permanently not exist, as it's freedom from everything.

The view that suicide must be the "last resort" implies that existing is something valuable and is the more desirable state, it also suggests that death is something that is best avoided, all of which I don't agree with. I could never see existing as being appealing and I could never see a point to any of this, we are just slowly dying, destined to die and be forgotten about.

And I could never see any value in suffering so unnecessarily where the potential for existing to get much more unbearable is always there, I see leaving this world as being ideal as to die solves all problems in which there never were a need for in the first place. And anyway we are destined for nowhere but to return to the state of non-existence, one cannot avoid death, it's something completely normal anyway, which is why it's so absurd to me how suicide is purposely made so difficult and inaccessible in this world.

Depends on the situation. I haven't been suicidal my whole life, if I could get my life together then maybe I was meant to stay alive. Suicide (for me) is the last resort when you've run out of options. Sort of like a video game, u either quit or restart

existing is not valuable nor meaningful by itself. if someone is enjoying their life more than they suffer, their life will be subjectively valuable to them. when it's the other way around, they won't desire to live and existing will be a curse for them. i think we can't say life has an objective value/meaning whether it's negative or positive.

however i think something is fundamentally wrong with humankind and this world order humankind created is merciless and absurd.

Yes, I don't think the nature of earth is the problem, it's what people have caused. So whenever I blame the world, I blame humans, those that have hurt people, don't care for other people, decisions(specifically from a leader) that impact millions of people, or people that don't see how their actions r hurting people, especially when it doesn't affect their life (example: transgender) I just wish people can see the bigger picture of their outcomes. And when a leader does something like that, the followers use that against those people

 

[brokeandbroken]

This is something that I often read and I don't agree suicide should be referred to in this way, instead of being a "last resort", I see suicide as being a human right which everyone has, it's a personal decision when to leave and I think that wanting suicide is a logical response to having awareness that existence is filled with suffering, and is something so dreadful and futile. To me suicide will always be the first choice, as we all have to cease existing someday and I would prefer to take control over my inevitable fate, and I view it as always being preferable to not exist no matter what, I view existence as being a tragic, horrific mistake and for me the only relief lies in being able to permanently not exist, as it's freedom from everything.

The view that suicide must be the "last resort" implies that existing is something valuable and is the more desirable state, it also suggests that death is something that is best avoided, all of which I don't agree with. I could never see existing as being appealing and I could never see a point to any of this, we are just slowly dying, destined to die and be forgotten about.

And I could never see any value in suffering so unnecessarily where the potential for existing to get much more unbearable is always there, I see leaving this world as being ideal as to die solves all problems in which there never were a need for in the first place. And anyway we are destined for nowhere but to return to the state of non-existence, one cannot avoid death, it's something completely normal anyway, which is why it's so absurd to me how suicide is purposely made so difficult and inaccessible in this world.

The last resort nature of suicide is my view.

Saliently it is because life could theoretically be worth living. That potential for joy, happiness, etc... Was robbed from me. My life unless something happens at this point a miracle, will be devoid of joy/happiness and it will just be suffering. I think it is worth exploring if for nothing else then an intellectual point of view if any of that joy or happiness could be returned. After over a year of trying the answer has been unequivocally no. Society doesn't care, family doesn't care, no one cares. no cares I was the victim of a crime. No one cares my dream of being a doctor or success was robbed from me. No one cares my life now will be one of object destitution. No one cares about that anger. So yes for me suicide is a last resort. You get one life myswell do yourself a favor and see if maybe happiness can be achieved. If not time to CTB it will wait.