Discussion Hypothetical modern age lobotomies

[FrailPaleStaleMaleSS]

Years back I did a brief search to see if it were an option. Seems nowadays it's the same. But hear me out on this because I see some pros to this sort of thing.

So disregarding the initial negative connotations as well as botched old and unreliable methods for lobotomy, I'd be a proponent for modern day, revised, and precise lobotomies without failure. In my opinion, there wouldn't be much difference between that and self euthenisia. Both completely remove ones emotions, thoughts, personality, memory. You essentially become an organic robot without consciousness or sentience. The emotions, thoughts and memories I'd say are what we mainly seek to remove upon our suicides.

One could argue that it is pointless, and this merely is a hypothetical, I can't see it ever happening. But because of how many bullshit "ethics" and "moral issues" surround suicide and assisted suicide because of the whole death element, I don't see why this would be a bad compromise.

If people so wished, they could quite literally "die" and escape a life that one deems not worth continuing with, and all the religious or moral nuts can take comfort in the fact that no one died. I personally think society is selfish as shit for not allowing euthenisia, but opposing this most definitely is too.

I know for me personally, I wouldn't mind either way, just so long as I can no long feel, think or be aware of anything. So as a hypothetical it seems a pretty decent idea if it were allowed. Perhaps unnerving for some, but I'm sure for the patient it would likely be the same.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

That would be torture to be honest. I'd rather just not exist. It's more logical and peaceful for all beings.

 

[FrailPaleStaleMaleSS]

That would be torture to be honest. I'd rather just not exist. It's more logical and peaceful for all beings.

Apologies. I assume you're replying to me? Hit the reply button, makes it easier. I don't want to assume who you're replying to on the thread. But you say it's "torture". I feel this is down to an old opinion of old lobotomies.

Imagine if such things were medically perfected. We could "die" in the sense we aspire too. We need to escape our mind. But the suicide opponents can't say shit if we are still alive. We may end up some sort of drone. But the consciousness is gone. And the consciousness is the issue. It is the host of realisation. For all of us here. It is the host. I'm trying wherever I can to cope till I succumb to death. But a lobotomy. It's the same thing, but you're just alive. You wouldn't know about it.

That would be torture to be honest. I'd rather just not exist. It's more logical and peaceful for all beings.

My bad you replied to my thread. A bit muddled

 

[WhyIsLife56]

Apologies. I assume you're replying to me? Hit the reply button, makes it easier. I don't want to assume who you're replying to on the thread. But you say it's "torture". I feel this is down to an old opinion of old lobotomies.

Imagine if such things were medically perfected. We could "die" in the sense we aspire too. We need to escape our mind. But the suicide opponents can't say shit if we are still alive. We may end up some sort of drone. But the consciousness is gone. And the consciousness is the issue. It is the host of realisation. For all of us here. It is the host. I'm trying wherever I can to cope till I succumb to death. But a lobotomy. It's the same thing, but you're just alive. You wouldn't know about it.

No one wants to be alive than they already are.
Non existence is the only peace there is

 

[FrailPaleStaleMaleSS]

No one wants to be alive than they already are.
Non existence is the only peace there is

This is why I see it as a good option. Let's ignore all the old botched bullshit chance lobotomies. Medical science could perfect each procedure nowadays. The outcome would be exactly the same to the person who wishes to die. And the selfish cunts who think all people should be forced to live due too their own virtue can fuck themselves.

The person who needs to end their life, and still live, just kill themselves. The body lives on. So the anti euthenisia pricks can calm down and if they care that much, they can volunteer to look after the lobotomised bodies.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

This is why I see it as a good option. Let's ignore all the old botched bullshit chance lobotomies. Medical science could perfect each procedure nowadays. The outcome would be exactly the same to the person who wishes to die. And the selfish cunts who think all people should be forced to live due too their own virtue can fuck themselves.

The person who needs to end their life, and still live, just kill themselves. The body lives on. So the anti euthenisia pricks can calm down and if they care that much, they can volunteer to look after the lobotomised bodies.

No one will want it. The body naturally should die. That's how it works. You shouldn't mess with death. No one should mess with death.

 

[CynicalHopelessness]

So... are you proposing a risky procedure with no guarantees on what they actually do, in order to fulfil the wishes of pro-life nuts by becoming a walking husk? No offense, but I think I'll pass.

We don't really have a good understanding on how consciousness works, and how it's going to be for one actually inside the body. What if all your memories and suffering remains, but you just can't control your body enough to show it? Nobody here wants to end up in a worse state than they are already.

 

[FrailPaleStaleMaleSS]

No one will want it. The body naturally should die. That's how it works. You shouldn't mess with death. No one should mess with death.

You don't get it though. A lobotomy doesn't kill the body. The body lives its life. Fully. Just without they pain.

So... are you proposing a risky procedure with no guarantees on what they actually do, in order to fulfil the wishes of pro-life nuts by becoming a walking husk? No offense, but I think I'll pass.

We don't really have a good understanding on how consciousness works, and how it's going to be for one actually inside the body. What if all your memories and suffering remains, but you just can't control your body enough to show it? Nobody here wants to end up in a worse state than they are already.

And no not quite. This is why I expressed a modern lobotomy. Yes the old methods are a chance. But fuck them. Medical science is at such a peak that a safe, perfected lobotomy would be viable.

They can scan, read and determine every single aspect of the brain nowadays. To simply scan and remove those parts of the brain for an individual without damage would be perfect.

Re-read my post. I want modern science to introduce accurate proceedures. No longer would it be an ice pick hammered between the eye sockets. A modern lobotomy could be perfectly carried out on a patient by patient basis.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

You don't get it though. A lobotomy doesn't kill the body. The body lives its life. Fully. Just without they pain.

Do not think about messing with the nature of life and flesh.
Have you seen A Certain Scientific Accelerator? Take a look at that. It involves someone trying to mess with dead corpses.

 

[CynicalHopelessness]

This is why I expressed a modern lobotomy

To my knowledge, it's limited. Even if you can figure out zones of activity related to some emotion, it's all messy and tangled, and nobody knows exactly what or why is happening. And honestly, it feels terrifyingly dystopian to me. I don't trust humanity enough with ability to "patch out" others, especially at this point of time. I'd much rather just have a peaceful ctb, which we already know how to make but don't make accessible.

 

[FrailPaleStaleMaleSS]

Do not think about messing with the nature of life and flesh.
Have you seen A Certain Scientific Accelerator? Take a look at that. It involves someone trying to mess with dead corpses.

Elab a bit?

To my knowledge, it's limited. Even if you can figure out zones of activity related to some emotion, it's all messy and tangled, and nobody knows exactly what or why is happening. And honestly, it feels terrifyingly dystopian to me. I don't trust humanity enough with ability to "patch out" others, especially at this point of time. I'd much rather just have a peaceful ctb, which we already know how to make but don't make accessible.

More research would be needed for sure. But it's got that taboo surrounding the topic so it would be hard for them to get a green light for it.

 

[LegaliseIt!]

I told my psychiatrist that I was prepared to order all the supplies to do an old school lobotomy on myself, because everyone wanted me alive, but I didn't see the point.
That was how I managed to get something that finally helped me. (TMS)

 

[FrailPaleStaleMaleSS]

I told my psychiatrist that I was prepared to order all the supplies to do an old school lobotomy on myself, because everyone wanted me alive, but I didn't see the point.
That was how I managed to get something that finally helped me. (TMS)

This is actually an interesting reply. How did that go. If you don't mind, what country? I've read a lot myself on how to perform lobotomies but they're not always amazing. And, I wonder if it's actually possible to finish the operation after X amount of nerves get severed. It's one thing to understand it before and or during but it can't be a quick swipe. I wonder what would happen during. And you just lose all sense of what you're doing, but because you don't fully finish it, you're half and half almost. Maybe you just walk around with an icepick in your eye socket for an hour before you decide "remove it"

 

[LegaliseIt!]

I am in Canada.

So, because I told the psychiatrist that, she got me on a wait list for Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (long story-it definitely worked for MDD and Fibromyalgia, but now I have to pay privately, and can't afford any more).

PTSD is what is destroying me. That, and chronic physical pain are ctb motivators.

Everyone wants me trapped in physical pain watching an endless loop of PTSD violence in my head for the next 30 years, but won't give me decent meds to dull the memories or the pain, and expects me not to drink alcohol or use street drugs?

A lobotomy (or contemporary equivalent) would be a step up/slight improvement to my current daily hell.

I just don't want to relive the PTSD events (since age 11/1975) anymore. I wasn't diagnosed until 2015, so "early intervention" treatment isn't an option.

Hypothetically:
I agree that I would likely have lost the ability to "finish" the diy lobotomy and would have wandered around with an ice pick hanging from my eye socket, until someone called EMS. Interesting plot for a short story...

Edit: I thought I was in "reply ", so that your post was linked.Sorry! Hands don't work.

 

[Shinbu]

This is why I see it as a good option. Let's ignore all the old botched bullshit chance lobotomies. Medical science could perfect each procedure nowadays. The outcome would be exactly the same to the person who wishes to die. And the selfish cunts who think all people should be forced to live due too their own virtue can fuck themselves.

The person who needs to end their life, and still live, just kill themselves. The body lives on. So the anti euthenisia pricks can calm down and if they care that much, they can volunteer to look after the lobotomised bodies.

It would be nice bad karma to the pro lifers lol. People shouldn't be forced to live. Maybe society would open their eyes, and finally stop trying to stop something harmless. The only thing would the government use my body lol to get things done. If that were to happen then people would think about body autonomy finally. I think the religious people would finally open their eyes too, but who knows they are unpredictable.