Method Hyperventilating ----> Hanging

[Jello Biafra]

I am convinced that hanging is the simplest method. People have been hanging themselves successfully for thousands of years without any planning or forethought. My own wife of 24 years did it with an extension cord wrapped around a cabinet handle and she didn't know the slightest thing about hanging or carotid arteries.

And while I only discovered her and did not witness it, I'm 99% sure that it was swift and peaceful - it did not appear that she struggled, went in to convulsions, etc., by evidence of her hand was holding the other end of the cord that was plugged in about 5ft away. I know that cord and plug and by no means does it stick or is it hard to pull out. If it was her windpipe, it definitely got the arteries first. Further, she was right next to a bedroom end table that had a lamp on it - literally less than 3" away from her. If she even moved her arms/elbows at all, she would've knocked all of that over. Also, people use bedsheets for partial hangings (just leaning your bodyweight forward) all the time in prisons. They don't even think about it - they just do it. I know - I was incarcerated in the CDC (California Dept. of Corrections) for 3 years.

I that most of us here have the personality type that spends a little too much time in our heads - myself included. We tend to overanalyze, which becomes paralysis by analysis.

We overthink everything - what if this happens, what if it doesn't work, what would it feel like to struggle, what's the best way to tie this, can I anchor to that, will this antiemetic work, etc.

What are your guy's thoughts on this idea...

I'm using an exercise band as an ode to Chris Cornell from Soundgarden. I have a thick wood closet pole in my closet that is secured by brackets drilled in to studs, but really, you could try and use a doorknob on other side of door and pull rope/cord/band over. I be twisting the band as tight as possible and looping it over my neck.

Given I lost the use of my legs about a year ago (I can stand, but not balance at all) - I will stand, put the twisted "heavy duty" band around my neck, kick my wheelchair away, then proceed to hyperventilate - which I have tested - I pass out fairly easily, simply by hyperventilating then blowing on my thumb. At that I pass out, my body drops, and from my own belief, you then simply realize you are staring at the flesh suit you used for this particular life.

I do not believe there is any point of "death" - it's just a shift in perspective.

You physical body, and the cells that comprise it, die all the time. Most of the "physical body" you had 10 years ago is already dead, yet you didn't even notice. I think that "death" is the same way - it's just a blink and your perspective changes, ie., you are still you, just like how most of your cells are dying all the time, and you are still you.

 

[AreWeWinning]

And while I only discovered her and did not witness it, I'm 99% sure that it was swift and peaceful - it did not appear that she struggled, went in to convulsions, etc., by evidence of her hand was holding the other end of the cord that was plugged in about 5ft away. I know that cord and plug and by no means does it stick or is it hard to pull out. If it was her windpipe, it definitely got the arteries first. Further, she was right next to a bedroom end table that had a lamp on it - literally less than 3" away from her. If she even moved her arms/elbows at all, she would've knocked all of that over. Also, people use bedsheets for partial hangings (just leaning your bodyweight forward) all the time in prisons. They don't even think about it - they just do it. I know - I was incarcerated in the CDC (California Dept. of Corrections) for 3 years.

I that most of us here have the personality type that spends a little too much time in our heads - myself included. We tend to overanalyze, which becomes paralysis by analysis.

We overthink everything - what if this happens, what if it doesn't work, what would it feel like to struggle, what's the best way to tie this, can I anchor to that, will this antiemetic work, etc.

What are your guy's thoughts on this idea...

I mostly agree. Hanging isn't hard to do, and can still work even if it's not done perfectly. However, what most people are afraid of is that 5-10% chance of something going wrong. By doing some minimal planning and paying attention to some key details, that risk can be avoided. It can make a huge difference compared to a poorly planned attempt, and it's still very simple to do. There are only a few things that really matter:

• Making sure the anchor point and the rope are strong enough — it doesn't really matter what type of rope it is, as long as it's an actual rope and it's strong enough
• Using a simple, self-tightening noose — it doesn't really matter what exact knot is used as long as it's secure and it's some type of self-tightening noose
• Positioning the knot at the back of the neck — simple
• Doing full suspension if possible, or if it's partial, doing it in a standing or upright kneeling position with the knees only slightly bent (NOT sitting or lying) — simple
• Not being found for at least 30 minutes — simple

(Positioning the rope higher or lower on the neck can make a difference in comfort, but in terms of success vs. failure, it doesn't really matter.)

All of the above are easy to take care of! But as you said, people overanalyse and overcomplicate things. Why is that? I don't know. There are many reasons.

One possible reason is that it's SI (Survival Instinct) in disguise. Planning an attempt is one of our last projects in life. It's the last thing that gives us a sense of accomplishment, or a sense of community as we discuss things. It's easy to get lost in the details without realising that further planning is not practical anymore, and we're just doing it because the process itself gives us satisfaction. It's the way in which we cling onto life. We keep planning, because if we stopped, we would need to act on our plans — which we're unable to do.

Another possible reason is that people might think they can avoid pain or discomfort by creating the perfect setup, and think that's the way to overcome SI. They don't realise that the problem is not that hanging might cause discomfort, but simply the fact that they are not ready to die. There are methods that are perceived to be quicker and more peaceful (e.g. gunshot, jumping, SN), yet people still can't go through with them. The difference is that those methods are simpler. You can either jump or you cannot. You can either pull the trigger or you cannot. On the other hand, with hanging, there are a lot of details to obsess about. So, people do obsess about them — without realising they are chasing illusions and trying to solve something that is not even the problem.

And last but not least, hanging is a mechanical method, and it involves some technical understanding. We need to be able to assess the strength of an anchor point, or how to tie a simple knot. For some people, doing these things comes naturally. For others, even simple things are hard to understand. When people ask questions and others try to answer them, it may seem like they're overcomplicating things — when in reality, they're just trying to figure out how to do it simply.

 

[Angel999]

i dont like it cuz if u dont do it correctly u die thru suffocation instead of quickly losing consciousness and because it requires privacy and manual skills

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

I agree with the over thinking part. So many teens commit suicide by hanging. I've read as young as 8 years old! It's sad because most are probably impulsive.

 

[Warriorsfan]

This is what I should do.
Don't have good anchor point in my home. I know people who have done this. I have something in my yard as anchor but I'm scared it will not hold.

No one really understands the pain I'm in. They would have to live it to understand.

 

[Terrible_Life]

I agree many people make their hanging attempt way more complicated but in my case for example theres the issue that i can only do it at home so what should i do when i dont have the house empty and family is here? I couldn't just hanf myself in front of them so thats my issue. I'm ready absolutely confident I have my reasons and i wanna leave but theres this problem. I am still very surprised that so many suicides happen impulsively because that is something i could never do. I don't know how others are while they're impulsive but when i am i would 100% do a fatal mistake because in that moment the mind isn't clear.

 

[xXSufferingXx]

i have also come to this method, even tho it looks horrible when you see it in those clips

 

[wanttosleep]

I think a lot of us here plan because of the fear of being saved or not working properly. We for the most part aren't impulsive. We understand the risks of the methods and how worse we could be if we survive. Personally I fear being saved because I am choosing inert gas and all method through lack of oxygen is brain damage. I fear awaking in hospital unable to speak or think properly and being forced to stay alive by family without my own agency stuck in my mind unable to end things and force to endure more pain because I saw it happen recently with my grandmother in her last moments her slipping away unconscious them holding the oxygen to her nose keeping her breathing and living and suffering for longer than she had to.

 

[WallTermite]

Hanging scares the hell out of me. It's a common method, but the chance of failing is still there. You need to make sure the setup endures and nobody finds you. Personally, I wouldn't be able to let myself lose consciousness, that'd be scary cause I won't have control of what happens at that point. Failing this method can have serious consequences.

My personal method is not recommended, but it's starvation. Since I'm overweight I will never look anorexic, and I can stop it whenever I want (refeeding carefully). I also won't start for now, need a bit of time.

Hanging is "you do it or you don't" type of thing.

 

[Jello Biafra]

I mostly agree. Hanging isn't hard to do, and can still work even if it's not done perfectly. However, what most people are afraid of is that 5-10% chance of something going wrong. By doing some minimal planning and paying attention to some key details, that risk can be avoided. It can make a huge difference compared to a poorly planned attempt, and it's still very simple to do. There are only a few things that really matter:

• Making sure the anchor point and the rope are strong enough — it doesn't really matter what type of rope it is, as long as it's an actual rope and it's strong enough
• Using a simple, self-tightening noose — it doesn't really matter what exact knot is used as long as it's secure and it's some type of self-tightening noose
• Positioning the knot at the back of the neck — simple
• Doing full suspension if possible, or if it's partial, doing it in a standing or upright kneeling position with the knees only slightly bent (NOT sitting or lying) — simple
• Not being found for at least 30 minutes — simple

(Positioning the rope higher or lower on the neck can make a difference in comfort, but in terms of success vs. failure, it doesn't really matter.)

All of the above are easy to take care of! But as you said, people overanalyse and overcomplicate things. Why is that? I don't know. There are many reasons.

One possible reason is that it's SI (Survival Instinct) in disguise. Planning an attempt is one of our last projects in life. It's the last thing that gives us a sense of accomplishment, or a sense of community as we discuss things. It's easy to get lost in the details without realising that further planning is not practical anymore, and we're just doing it because the process itself gives us satisfaction. It's the way in which we cling onto life. We keep planning, because if we stopped, we would need to act on our plans — which we're unable to do.

Another possible reason is that people might think they can avoid pain or discomfort by creating the perfect setup, and think that's the way to overcome SI. They don't realise that the problem is not that hanging might cause discomfort, but simply the fact that they are not ready to die. There are methods that are perceived to be quicker and more peaceful (e.g. gunshot, jumping, SN), yet people still can't go through with them. The difference is that those methods are simpler. You can either jump or you cannot. You can either pull the trigger or you cannot. On the other hand, with hanging, there are a lot of details to obsess about. So, people do obsess about them — without realising they are chasing illusions and trying to solve something that is not even the problem.

And last but not least, hanging is a mechanical method, and it involves some technical understanding. We need to be able to assess the strength of an anchor point, or how to tie a simple knot. For some people, doing these things comes naturally. For others, even simple things are hard to understand. When people ask questions and others try to answer them, it may seem like they're overcomplicating things — when in reality, they're just trying to figure out how to do it simply.

Excellent post and I absolutely agree with you.

My post was rather awkwardly written - I didn't mean to say that we should not take precautions to insure nothing goes wrong - and maybe I'm speaking more to myself than others, as you said, this is a big, very final decision.

However, once we have accounted for simple mistakes as you say, at least for myself, I tend to then start to over analyze and get inside of my own head. For example, I smoke marijuana and have been since I was a teen (I'm 53). I smoke it mostly at night so I can sleep, however, when I do smoke, I start living inside of my head - this leads to that paralysis by analysis that I was speaking of. I start thinking about what it might feel like to be hanging there, I start thinking about where I will find myself immediately after dying (I'm not afraid to die, and absolutely believe that death is just a new beginning).

For the reason above, I have told myself that when it's time to go, I absolutely can not be stoned on MJ because I'd never go through with it that way.

My only hurdle at the moment is my elderly mother. Right before my wife died I came down with this mysterious nerve damage in my fingers and feet. So I'm now crippled, can't walk, and my hands are balled up in to fists. I think I'm done with this life and want nothing more than to join my wife. I just don't want to hurt my mom as I now live with her. If she was already gone, I would be too. But the thought of her discovering me is what I can't get past atm.

Hanging scares the hell out of me. It's a common method, but the chance of failing is still there. You need to make sure the setup endures and nobody finds you. Personally, I wouldn't be able to let myself lose consciousness, that'd be scary cause I won't have control of what happens at that point. Failing this method can have serious consequences.

My personal method is not recommended, but it's starvation. Since I'm overweight I will never look anorexic, and I can stop it whenever I want (refeeding carefully). I also won't start for now, need a bit of time.

Hanging is "you do it or you don't" type of thing.

I completely agree with your hesitation and have been thinking about this,

My plan is to hyperventilate as the rope is around my neck - that way you lose consciousness right beforehand and hopefully from there the carotids get pinched and you just never wake up.

You can hyperventilate on your own to see what it's like - it's actually a rather pleasant experience - I seem to go through a dream where it feels like hours have gone by.

i have also come to this method, even tho it looks horrible when you see it in those clips

Not sure what clips you are referring to, but you would probably be better off not watching stuff like that.

While this is anecdotal, just like the "clips", I discovered my wife, who had hung herself in our bedroom. She was inches away from a desk lamp which was not knocked over - had she struggled, the lamp would've been on the ground (among a few other things).

She did not plan, had no idea about carotid arteries or hanging methods. She simply wrapped an extension cord around her neck about 5 times, and then the other end around a handle of an overhead cabinet. When I discovered her, she looked completely peaceful, as if she was sleeping. No bulged out eyes or any of the other stuff you sometimes hear about.

She just want for it, and I have to admit, she has a lot more balls than I do. Look at all of the celebrities and artists who have hung themselves. Especially in Asia, hanging is very common, and very rarely ever goes wrong. Any method can fail - always keep that in mind. You will never find the perfect method. Even a shotgun blast to the head has failed. A woman in Europe fell from 30,000 ft from a burning plane without a parachute. Not only did she live, but after a year in the hospital she was completely back to normal and walking around as if it never happened.

 

[anonymousperson]

I agree, I am between hanging and shotgun but I am terrified of failing. My classmate hung herself in bathroom stall at our school in elementary school (age 10) and I was always amazed she knew what and how to do so young. If people that young can do it, why is it so hard for us? I too overthink WAY too much unfortunately.