How to overcome the thoughts of an afterlife (with drugs) ?

[stutter]

Hello everyone,

The only thing thats holding me from CTB is the thought of an afterlife.

Are there any drugs or things i can do to overcome these thoughts ?

I think i need something that makes me more "impulsive" while still staying rational to complete my way of suicide
Alcohol ? Weed ? something else? I am planing to do some tests with them but i dont know how my body will react.

I never took drugs or drank alcohol so i dont have much experience so any help or comment is much appreciated thank you

I know many people who werent raised religiously will say "cant get worse than this life". I am sorry but i dont want these comments. For some people the fear of a concept of hell is very real.

Thanking you in advance :)

 

[vold3m0r†]

if youre worried about hell (biblical, i assume?), it is mistranslated so many times, originally it meant that "hell" isnt a place, but in fact just a souls separation from god for eternity, and not a hell fire. (im an ex christian btw), i cant answer ur question about drugs, but i can help u understand and help about the worry of hell lol

There is no mention of "hell" or any possibility of suffering after death anywhere in the Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament.

The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) mentions a place called Sheol, the Hebrew word Sheol clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad." The same is true in the New Testament, where the Greek word Hades also clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad." Nor does Gehenna mean "hell," as I also explain. So "hell" is not a biblical teaching at all, but a harrowing mistranslation now being used by charlatans to brainwash believers into forking over their hard-earned money while obeying commandments they never bothered to observe themselves.

The Hebrew word Sheol clearly means "the grave," not "hell." This can easily be confirmed because if Sheol is translated as "hell" the Christian dogma of hell as an inescapable place of suffering apart from God is immediately refuted. This is true because: (1) in Psalm 139:8, King David said that if he made his bed in Sheol, God would be there with him; (2) in Job 14:13, Job asked to be hidden from suffering in Sheol; (3) in Psalm 49:15, the sons of Korah said that God would redeem them from Sheol; and (4) the prophet Ezekiel and the apostle Paul agreed that all Israel would be saved, and yet in Genesis 37:35, Israel himself said that he would be reunited with his son Joseph in Sheol. How can all Israel be saved if Israel himself is in "hell"? In each case Sheol clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead" and cannot be interpreted as "hell" unless "hell" is heaven!

 

[Snake of Eden]

Fear of hell is one real reason why I can not bring myself to do it. People dont understand the idea that this is an embedded belief in some people's mind. Sure, obviously when we die we are corpses and our consciousness is not present anymore from material point of view. That does not negate possibility of transferring consciousness to another world hell or heaven where we can never confirm or deny because it doesnt exist in our known reality. Or the possibility that oneday all the dead will be resurrected and judged according to their deeds and then be sent to heaven or hell. Science can not truly disprove something that never happened before or disprove likelihood it may happen. I dont want to give you more anxiety but I dont think there is a solution to convince you otherwise or provide you with relief from such fear. Also its against the forum rules to provide ideas to entice suicidal attempt but i could be wrong

if youre worried about hell (biblical, i assume?), it is mistranslated so many times, originally it meant that "hell" isnt a place, but in fact just a souls separation from god for eternity, and not a hell fire. (im an ex christian btw), i cant answer ur question about drugs, but i can help u understand and help about the worry of hell lol

There is no mention of "hell" or any possibility of suffering after death anywhere in the Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament.

The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) mentions a place called Sheol, the Hebrew word Sheol clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad." The same is true in the New Testament, where the Greek word Hades also clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad." Nor does Gehenna mean "hell," as I also explain. So "hell" is not a biblical teaching at all, but a harrowing mistranslation now being used by charlatans to brainwash believers into forking over their hard-earned money while obeying commandments they never bothered to observe themselves.

The Hebrew word Sheol clearly means "the grave," not "hell." This can easily be confirmed because if Sheol is translated as "hell" the Christian dogma of hell as an inescapable place of suffering apart from God is immediately refuted. This is true because: (1) in Psalm 139:8, King David said that if he made his bed in Sheol, God would be there with him; (2) in Job 14:13, Job asked to be hidden from suffering in Sheol; (3) in Psalm 49:15, the sons of Korah said that God would redeem them from Sheol; and (4) the prophet Ezekiel and the apostle Paul agreed that all Israel would be saved, and yet in Genesis 37:35, Israel himself said that he would be reunited with his son Joseph in Sheol. How can all Israel be saved if Israel himself is in "hell"? In each case Sheol clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead" and cannot be interpreted as "hell" unless "hell" is heaven!

Maybe thats true for jeudo-christian religions but in Islam Hell is a very existing concept and it is what you imagine it to be. Place of great torture and torment, a lake of fire thats never quenched where the damned will spend their after life in. Some for a period of time and some for eternity.

 

[stutter]

if youre worried about hell (biblical, i assume?), it is mistranslated so many times, originally it meant that "hell" isnt a place, but in fact just a souls separation from god for eternity, and not a hell fire. (im an ex christian btw), i cant answer ur question about drugs, but i can help u understand and help about the worry of hell lol

There is no mention of "hell" or any possibility of suffering after death anywhere in the Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament.

The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) mentions a place called Sheol, the Hebrew word Sheol clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad." The same is true in the New Testament, where the Greek word Hades also clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad." Nor does Gehenna mean "hell," as I also explain. So "hell" is not a biblical teaching at all, but a harrowing mistranslation now being used by charlatans to brainwash believers into forking over their hard-earned money while obeying commandments they never bothered to observe themselves.

The Hebrew word Sheol clearly means "the grave," not "hell." This can easily be confirmed because if Sheol is translated as "hell" the Christian dogma of hell as an inescapable place of suffering apart from God is immediately refuted. This is true because: (1) in Psalm 139:8, King David said that if he made his bed in Sheol, God would be there with him; (2) in Job 14:13, Job asked to be hidden from suffering in Sheol; (3) in Psalm 49:15, the sons of Korah said that God would redeem them from Sheol; and (4) the prophet Ezekiel and the apostle Paul agreed that all Israel would be saved, and yet in Genesis 37:35, Israel himself said that he would be reunited with his son Joseph in Sheol. How can all Israel be saved if Israel himself is in "hell"? In each case Sheol clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead" and cannot be interpreted as "hell" unless "hell" is heaven!

Hey thank you so much for the post and all the effort and it was very interesting to read about the diffrent interpretations, translations and meanings of "hell"

However, i dont want to discuss nor debate Afterlife or Hell, since its always open to interpretation. Im loking for something that makes me not think about what comes next

Thank you anyway for answering so detailed.

Fear of hell is one real reason why I can not bring myself to do it. People dont understand the idea that this is an embedded belief in some people's mind. Sure, obviously when we die we are corpses and our consciousness is not present anymore from material point of view. That does not negate possibility of transferring consciousness to another world hell or heaven where we can never confirm or deny because it doesnt exist in our known reality. Or the possibility that oneday all the dead will be resurrected and judged according to their deeds and then be sent to heaven or hell. Science can not truly disprove something that never happened before or disprove likelihood it may happen. I dont want to give you more anxiety but I dont think there is a solution to convince you otherwise or provide you with relief from such fear. Also its against the forum rules to provide ideas to entice suicidal attempt but i could be wrong

Thank you for this post. I am sorry you are also suffering from this. Im sorry if this thread is against the rules. But i think there arent many posts for the "mental preparation" of suicide compared to the "method" itself.

For me the "method part" seems very straightforward. Buy N, get metos etc. I didnt find anything about "mental preparation" especially in regard to an afterlife so i decided to post it since it is the much bigger hurdle ( atleast for me ).

 

[Snake of Eden]

Hey thank you so much for the post and all the effort and it was very interesting to read about the diffrent interpretations, translations and meanings of "hell"

However, i dont want to discuss nor debate Afterlife or Hell, since its always open to interpretation. Im loking for something that makes me not think about what comes next

Thank you anyway for answering so detailed.

Thank you for this post. I am sorry you are also suffering from this. Im sorry if this thread is against the rules. But i think there arent many posts for the "mental preparation" of suicide compared to the "method" itself.

For me the "method part" seems very straightforward. Buy N, get metos etc. I didnt find anything about "mental preparation" especially in regard to an afterlife so i decided to post it since it is the much bigger hurdle ( atleast for me ).

You would have to take a big leap of faith when you ctb. If your goal is to die then that is easy. If your goal is to know for sure if an afterlife exists truly then thats unachievable. Many people say some anxiety meds like xanax or benzos make survival instinct weaker but I dont know if that applies to fears associated with beliefs in after life

 

[motel rooms]

@zeroornothing Aren't you going to hell because of your sexuality anyway?

Maybe thats true for jeudo-christian religions but in Islam Hell is a very existing concept and it is what you imagine it to be. Place of great torture and torment, a lake of fire thats never quenched where the damned will spend their after life in.

Fundamentalist Christians believe the same crap... Islam is definitely the most derivative, unoriginal world religion

 

[stutter]

You would have to take a big leap of faith when you ctb. If your goal is to die then that is easy. If your goal is to know for sure if an afterlife exists truly then thats unachievable. Many people say some anxiety meds like xanax or benzos make survival instinct weaker but I dont know if that applies to fears associated with beliefs in after life

anti anciety meds are a good idea, i didnt think about that. Maybe you have to pair it with some drugs that lower your impulse threshold like alcohol ? sadly im not a drug expert. Wish there was like the eperfect cocktail to stop your thinking and do all the acting

 

[motel rooms]

Sorry, but you're screwed unless you successfully deconvert, which is extremely hard for some people. No drug can help you

 

[LittleJem]

Psilocybin is good for terminal cancer patients- makes them less scared of death apparently.

I spent a while scared of reincarnation myself- like my next life could be worse- but now I just want this one over.

Trying a drug - MDMA is the nice one! Check all contraindications for any drugs..

 

[Snake of Eden]

@zeroornothing Aren't you going to hell because of your sexuality anyway?

Fundamentalist Christians believe the same crap... Islam is definitely the most derivative, unoriginal world religion

You wont fathom the level of indoctrination that takes place in someone's mind when they grow up in strictly religious environment. You can never shake off those embedded beliefs no matter what anyone says. Saying it is derivative or unoriginal does not help make it less real in minds of adherers

 

[m9q2As2$IG]

Wish I could help you, but I don't believe I can, sounds like a very hard situation. I am not religious myself, but can definitely understand your predicament.

Sending you good luck and the best of wishes, I hope someone here can help you!

 

[toforigivelife]

I'm not trying to encourage you to ctb. I'm really not. It's just that I've wrestled with the notion of an afterlife and eternal punishment for those who die by suicide.

I think all, or at least most, suicidal people have a fear of being punished for catching the bus rattling around somewhere in their psyche.

There is no solid proof of an afterlife. No scientifically verified proof.

And those who have come as close to death without actually dying and have had what is known as an near death experience or an NDE, have stated that death is not to be feared. Most of those who've had these experiences have said that they are not suicidal but at the same time they are actually looking forward to the day they die.

Of course the NDE crowd does not want to encourage suicide so they will issue grim warnings about ending your life.

But those who had an NDE as a result of a suicide attempt have come back to say that suicides are not treated any differently than dying a natural death at the age of 90 in what they believe to be the afterlife.

Meaning there's no special "punishment" for those who die by suicide.

So, if our brains merely shut down when we die and we just go into an endless sleep, you'll be fine. And it sounds like if there is anything beyond this you'll be okay then too.

Again, I'm not trying to encourage you to ctb.

If you have honestly given the matter a lot of thought and genuinely feel that leaving this life behind is what's best for you then I respect your feelings and your decision.

I'm saddened that it has come to this for you and hope that you find a way out of the darkness but truly respect your right to be your own judge of your quality of life. All my best to you, whichever way you choose to go.

 

[Anonymous_A]

Start thinking that whatever is next is better than now. (And other stuff positive death talks ie - everyone dies, people ctb/die every day…)

Like drill thoughts like them into your head and at some point you'll probably start believing it.

Lol in terms of drugs tho, probably ambien…take a few tabs, don't fall asleep and during that time you'll probably be less bothered about ctb

 

[again_noidea]

Hello everyone,

The only thing thats holding me from CTB is the thought of an afterlife.

Are there any drugs or things i can do to overcome these thoughts ?

I think i need something that makes me more "impulsive" while still staying rational to complete my way of suicide
Alcohol ? Weed ? something else? I am planing to do some tests with them but i dont know how my body will react.

I never took drugs or drank alcohol so i dont have much experience so any help or comment is much appreciated thank you

I know many people who werent raised religiously will say "cant get worse than this life". I am sorry but i dont want these comments. For some people the fear of a concept of hell is very real.

Thanking you in advance :)

Lots of substances will have the opposite effect, meaning that you would be inclined to believe in an afterlife. And it is good to remember that humanity has almost always believed in some kind of afterlife. It is very rare that a civilization or an individual came to the conclusion that there is nothing after death. So I would argue that your mind is naturally inclined to believe in an afterlife.

 

[motel rooms]

You wont fathom the level of indoctrination that takes place in someone's mind when they grow up in strictly religious environment. You can never shake off those embedded beliefs no matter what anyone says. Saying it is derivative or unoriginal does not help make it less real in minds of adherers

Religious indoctrination is definitely a form of child abuse. It fucks with a child's vulnerable, uncritically receptive brain in incredibly deep ways & I know it's very hard to fully deconvert. I was sexually abused as a child, which made me hypersexual, & that's something about my brain that I will never be able to change. Formative years are called formative for a reason...
Btw, I only said Islam was derivative because you mentioned "the lake of fire", which is a famous Christian description of hell.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Religious indoctrination is definitely a form of child abuse. It fucks with a child's vulnerable, uncritically receptive brain in incredibly deep ways & I know it's very hard to fully deconvert. I was sexually abused as a child, which made me hypersexual, & that's something about my brain that I will never be able to change. Formative years are called formative for a reason...
Btw, I only said Islam was derivative because you mentioned "the lake of fire", which is a famous Christian description of hell.

Lake of fire isnt a muslim expression. I used it knowing it is a christian term.

 

[motel rooms]

Lake of fire isnt a muslim expression. I used it knowing it is a christian term.

Maybe I misinterpreted this:

Maybe thats true for jeudo-christian religions but in Islam Hell is a very existing concept and it is what you imagine it to be. Place of great torture and torment, a lake of fire thats never quenched where the damned will spend their after life in. Some for a period of time and some for eternity.

I think I read somewhere that in the Islamic Hell people keep regrowing skin so that it can be burned forever or some horrific shit like that. People who tell that type of stories to children are sick fucks, regardless of their religious adherence.

 

[RedHarlequin]

I can suggest Ketamine, during a good trip it makes you feel at home and that death is nothing to be afraid of

 

[Snake of Eden]

Maybe I misinterpreted this:



I think I read somewhere that in the Islamic Hell people keep regrowing skin so that it can be burned forever or some horrific shit like that. People who tell that type of stories to children are sick fucks, regardless of their religious adherence.

Yes you read it right. Skin melts and remolds into new skin everytime it burnt. I agree personally dont think such teachings should be exposed to children.