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tomz323

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So yeah my family is all Christian, I'm not. And I do not want my funeral to be Christian based, which I know it will be even if I leave instructions for it not. Nothing against it obviously I just don't want people to remember me with religion, just me as me (if that makes sense). I know I'll be dead so I wont care, but still it'd be nice to know.
 
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Cevapcici

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Christian religious ceremonies are forbidden in case of suicide, that's considered sinful. I don't think they could find a priest to do this even if they wanted to.
 
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Christian religious ceremonies are forbidden in case of suicide, that's considered sinful. I don't think they could find a priest to do this even if they wanted to.
No one does this anymore. Religion is so much weaker now, people don't have the heart to turn parents away because of "sin"
 
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No one does this anymore. Religion is so much weaker now, people don't have the heart to turn parents away because of "sin"
That's what I'm worried about.
 
Empty Smile

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I'm the same way. My whole family knows I do not believe, but I know if I tell them not to, they will anyway.
 
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That's what I'm worried about.
Isn't the funeral for them, though? I dunno. I wouldn't care much; anything to ease their suffering. But that's me.
 
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Isn't the funeral for them, though? I dunno. I wouldn't care much; anything to ease their suffering. But that's me.
Yeah, but I might have some colleges or old classmates go, I wouldn't want them to see me that way. I don't want anyone to see me that way.
 
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RedSalvation15

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Mar 13, 2019
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Do you have a special thought about your funeral?
If you sign up for "body donation", you'd get some kind of identification card. If this one lies beneath your corpse, they have to follow your wish, as far as I know. Everything else would just be betrayal.

But yeah... next question: How to make sure they do not betray you, when even the law gives you the middle finger.
Answer: You can't.

But honestly, I believe they won't go this far.
I don't know exactly where you live and if you have the possibility to sign up for body donation and I don't know if that's something you really want to have.
Maybe a personally important note: If you sign up for this, there will be no funeral at all.
 
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Cevapcici

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Dec 30, 2018
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No one does this anymore. Religion is so much weaker now, people don't have the heart to turn parents away because of "sin"
I literally assisted to a funeral of someone who had hanged themselves back in February, the ceremony was secular one, because the funeral director had made it clear that a religious (Catholic ) ceremony was impossible - and keep in mind it's happening in France, definitely not a particularly conservative country . Same with Orthodox Christian postmortem ceremonies, out of the question too - their corpses are not even allowed to be buried next to the graves of people whom had religious ceremonies , this results in the dead by suicide having their own secluded space in the cemeteries of historically Orthodox counties.

So I think you're speaking according to your own experience when you say "no one does this anymore". Maybe you live in a historically protestant/Anglican country where things might be a bit different concerning that matter, but I'm pretty sure it's not the case for the vast majority of the world.

So if the op is from a Catholic family religious ceremony is very unlikely to happen postmortem.
 
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I literally assisted to a funeral of someone who had hanged themselves back in February, the ceremony was secular one, because the funeral director had made it clear that a religious (Catholic ) ceremony was impossible - and keep in mind it's happening in France, definitely not a particularly conservative country . Same with Orthodox Christian postmortem ceremonies, out of the question too - their corpses are not even allowed to be buried next to the graves of people whom had religious ceremonies , this results in the dead by suicide having their own secluded space in the cemeteries of historically Orthodox counties.

So I think you're speaking according to your own experience when you say "no one does this anymore". Maybe you live in a historically protestant/Anglican country where things might be a bit different concerning that matter, but I'm pretty sure it's not the case for the vast majority of the world.

So if the op is from a Catholic family religious ceremony is very unlikely to happen postmortem.
Yeah, I didn't really know what I was talking about, but I talked. Do it all the time. See why I wanna kill myself?
 
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RedSalvation15

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Mar 13, 2019
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Yeah, I didn't really know what I was talking about, but I talked. Do it all the time. See why I wanna kill myself?
Not your fault that you didn't know. Who would think that religion beats human rights/wishes in 2019.
 
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Weems

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May 5, 2019
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Not your fault that you didn't know. Who would think that religion beats human rights/wishes in 2019.
Then I shouldn't have chimed in. I know it's softened informally and even a little formally--in 1983 Pope JP2 started allowing Catholic funerals for suicides but no priest has to do it. If many still take the hard line that's not so surprising, it's an old tradition.
 
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Meadows

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Jul 22, 2019
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This is a tough one, since you'll have no control over what your family does, but I've been struggling with this thought too, so I figured I'd share my thoughts in case you're still here. You may want to consider leaving very detailed instructions for the handling of your funeral in your suicide note, if you plan to have one. Even if you aren't thinking of having a note, you could leave one with only this information without additional explanations should you choose not to tell them why you're CTBing. You could share in this note that it's important to you to have a secular ceremony, including your preferences of poems that could be read (instead of prayers) or nonreligious songs, for example, since they may find comfort in making it seem like a traditional funeral in structure, if not in religious content. You could list who you'd be comfortable speaking at the service and who you'd prefer to stay quiet, if you know who'd spew religious propaganda versus who'd respect your wishes.

If possible, try to address this note or send multiple copies to different people, so that you're not entrusting your remembrance services with just one person, who may choose a religious focus out of their own selfish desires. Hopefully, a group of people will be able to come up with the morally sound decision to keep your funeral secular. They may feel they'd be "haunted" (lol) or at least plagued with guilt if they refuse to respect your final wish. You can even allude to this in the note.

Finally, feel free to make requests over the handling of your body. Someone on this thread mentioned body donation, which is certainly something to look into. But there's also cremation, and requests for where to sprinkle your ashes. I personally love an idea I found once online (for which there is an actual company): you can have a loved one's ashes mixed with fertilizers and seeds to grow a tree. The ashes act as fertilizer themselves, and I really appreciate the thought of having my worthless body finally being put to use for something that can actually contribute to this planet. And I loathe the idea of having my dead body pumped with preservatives and put in a wooden box to be wheeled into a church and then into the ground while everyone who "loved" me watches. Gross!
 
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mr parkinson

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look up direct funerals they just take your body away bring back the ashes , no service nothing and very cheap , leave instructions in your living will .
 

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