How much of your desire to ctb is from life situations and how much from having depression?

[Meditation guide]

From those who haven't ever felt like ctb'ing, it is simply depression making us feel this way. Do you agree with that assessment? Or is it something different, such as life being too hard and therefore the real reason?

Or does it even matter?

Can terrible life circumstances cause depression or is it always simply bad brain chemistry? How can some people tolerate the most terrible life situations and continue on, while others succumb with ctb?

 

[Superdeterminist]

I have no idea and wouldn't even dare assume to know. In fact I don't even trust today's professionals to tell me the cause of my despair, given how appallingly little we know about the brain (they cannot yet explain it in a way that fully makes sense). Psychology is embarrassingly lacking and urgently awaits better support from a neurological approach to the challenge of understanding the different brain states and why they arise. I would guess that the cause is different from person to person but who really knows.

 

[Resaliz]

Do you know Alex zanardi?

Was an Italian f1 pilot which at the some point of his life had an accident and lose his legs.

After that he became an olimpic champion with handbike...

While I want to die if someone answer bad me at phone lol

I think it is a chemistry problem. Otherwise I would be a very bad person's

Sorry for my poor English :(

 

[AllReturnsToNothing]

I'm no psychologist, but theirs this debate that exist about how people grow and develop called "nature vs. nurture". There are resources online that'll explain it better than I can but basically it's "are people formed through their genes determined at birth or the environment they're raised in?" Long story short it's both and they go hand in hand with each other. In my case my brain is already predisposed to depression courtesy of my mom as well as likely being on the autism spectrum. Those facts then played beautifully with my dysfunctional family, toxic small town culture, and being indoctrinated into the American civil religion and subsequently having all the propaganda I was fed since birth tore down combined made for someone who is surprisingly more mentally stable then I have any right to be, but still dysfunctional and suicidal regardless. Life is fun.

 

[Jadedcat]

I can't speak for others but for me it's both. I suffer from pretty intense depression but it is worsened by 100000 when I'm dealing with shitty life situations. Without the shitty life situations I can usually cope, with them I want to ctb every minute of the day. I honestly don't know how people go through super traumatic shit and want to continue living.

 

[Wayfaerer]

It's primarily from life situation. Sure, I don't HAVE to kill myself but to remain and live the rest of my life as a gimp... Death is the more appealing option. Quack shrinks think all depression stems from faulty brain chemistry rather than being a rational reaction to a situation.

 

[Painless_end]

I have inadequate brain biomechanics rather than chemistry, if that makes any sense.

Simply put, if my brain had chemical issues it would be easily fixable by medication.

The very basic and fundamental unalterable structure of my brain is incapable of sustained persistence towards independent, goal-oriented living.

Not to mention I have inadequate responses to life's challenges.

 

[who doesn't matter]

Plain fact (or so I believe) - depression doesn't just pop up randomly in most people. If you are depressed then you have been through "disturbing scenarios." Abandonment, neglection, being used by others, or anything of that order. It can break you and give a well-constructed road for depression to walk in. So, basically, the urge to ctb stems from being in a pathetic scenario. Depression is just added bonus.

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

I think my depression was always going to kill me. I've been dreaming about ctb since I was 19 and dreaming about self harm even before then. But my life situation is what makes me want to do it now.

 

[Worthless_nobody]

100% terrible life situations that caused my depression and caused my failed life.

 

[alexit]

From those who haven't ever felt like ctb'ing, it is simply depression making us feel this way. Do you agree with that assessment? Or is it something different, such as life being too hard and therefore the real reason?

Or does it even matter?

Can terrible life circumstances cause depression or is it always simply bad brain chemistry? How can some people tolerate the most terrible life situations and continue on, while others succumb with ctb?

I have crippling chronic pain and crippling depression and other mental illnesses, so 50/50

 

[TAW122]

I don't consider my reason and desire to CTB stems from depression, at least in the clinical sense. I believe that the word 'depression' (as well as anxiety) has been thrown around so much that it loses it's meaning or becomes more convoluted than it should be, but that's another topic for another thread. If I do feel depressed, it is due to the environment and life circumstances that cause it rather than just my innate self. So in short, you could consider that my desire to CTB stems from life situations that I find myself in, some personal and philosophical reasons (including nihilism, anti-natalism, misanthropy, etc.), and the fact that I cannot accept the world for what it is as well as untenable situations.

 

[agentgeez]

I definitely agree with the attitude expressed in this thread that it's impossible to know what the actual cause is due to how lacking our knowledge is. There's such a large number of factors at play in terms of why someone might feel the way they do that the idea that someone can claim to know the answer, especially if that answer is based on psychology, is crazy to me. There's no way currently to truly isolate and study every variable of what shapes a person, nor do we know of every variable; everything we 'know' currently is just observation and theory. As for what I personally think of why I am the way I am, I suppose it's a mix of both. Maybe circumstances or genetics is what created my current mental state. I do hear that the way we feel is a "rational response to society/the state of life/something" and that's probably true to an extent, but I also wonder what the rational response really is considering there are people who seem to be fine with life how it is. So we must have different mental states, which means what's rational can change depending on the perspective, considering what's painful to me might not be to someone else. If only I knew what existence was like from a different perspective (although I think it would be impossible to know another existence in the same way I do my own and keep true knowledge of both even theoretically, it would just turn into a memory different than how it was). It's odd how we can accept that people have different tastes for things like food, as well as having different skill sets for different tasks, but if not everyone adapts to how life and society is then they're weak or something. That's also why I believe that there's no one ideal utopia or set of policies.

 

[H2H2]

Asp and alcohol abuse since I was 15. Its like experiencing life with two veils on, one on top of the other. The compounding effect as life went on and a deteriorating health with no cure in sight killed the naive hopefulness that kept me alive. Ctb is the reasonable way to go. Im sad about the whole situation but I dont think it qualifies as depression or impairs my judgement.

 

[XYZ]

100% from life situations. No doubt about it. My depression is triggered by the shit show I call "my life" and my inability to be normal.

 

[DamnYourEyes]

Normal is a lie. I'll be 55 next month and I have problems - thank you Society for all your lessons. I've been homeless for ...13 years now. (that long?! It seems so much longer...) and It can happen *that* fast, from functioning & degree'd "member of society" to no one meeting my gaze because I'm suddenly inferior as I cannot afford to maintain housing in this stupid country!
What have I learned in 55 years on this planet? Do you really want to know?
There is nothing waiting for us, it's all bullshit to get us to be cogs in the machine to keep the 3% insanely happy and healthy. I know the 97%, (that's us), do not matter. This is what I have learned. This is what I have earned. So ready to CTB, make all this pain STOP.
So, to answer the question of thread? Life situations. Totally. My doctor tells me anxiety is a normal & rational response to our lives, but leaves me to deal with the anxiety.

 

[VIBRITANNIA]

i'd have to life situations, or rather, the way people in my life have treated me and the way i've treated them. i'm not diagnosed with depression or anything like that, so i can't say it's a mental illness leading me to this decision. i just don't see the point in living if i'll never be able to break free from the cycle of abuse, or move on from what's happened.

 

[Starseedchip]

My depression is a result of the shitty situations that I've dealt with since birth. It's extra frustrating for me because I could have been helped but wasn't. I know some cases are due to a chemical imbalance but I believe far too many are due to circumstances and the way people are treated.

 

[Emily123]

My life is terrible .it is a fact . it's not something that i made up in my mind . i have no depression . i am dancing to death

 

[Nutmeg]

80% life situations.
20% depression.

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

This is a difficult question. I doubt I could arrive at a percentage. I'd say my depression is caused by who I am as a person (does that count as a life situation?) and that's what causes me to want to ctb. My life situations is what dictates the timing. I want to go NOW because life turned on me.

 

[Meditation guide]

I'll be 55 next month and I have problems - thank you Society for all your lessons. I've been homeless for ...13 years now.

When you say you are homeless do you mean you sleep outside? I'm interested in hearing more about your life if you want to tell me. You can PM me if you want to.

 

[draw a circle]

I don't have depression (never checked with a professional) and my life has been good so far. I'm just working on my thesis and I always have this belief that I will die at the age of 20 or less because I don't see the future as something I want to live in, so I have been somewhat passively suicidal for two years now. Trying to graduate is a lot of pressure and I have heard people killing themselves over it, so I guess I'm one of them. And the world's fucked. I hate it here.

Tl;dr current life situation 80%, lack of faith in humanity 20%

 

[BPD Barbie]

My current life situation is probably 70% of my choice to ctb. I feel so trapped, scared, alone etc. I still have bipolar and BPD but largely feel they are controlled as well as they ever will be.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

My depression came from life situations so my desire to ctb is from life situations.

 

[I screwed up]

My depression came from life situations so my desire to ctb is from life situations.

Exactly my situation. But I am to blame for my life situation to a large extent too. I fuckin hate myself

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

I fuckin hate myself

Me too. I can't live with myself.

 

[iDieUDie80]

My depression is caused by my life situations.

 

[Mixo]

My depression is 99% stemming from my health problems (which I'd think falls under "life situations"). If I had a healthy body, I wouldn't be that depressed and I'd probably have a decent quality of life. I used to only suffer from bouts of depression and life was far more liveable back then. Now I'm just doomed.

 

[muffin222]

It's a combination of both