Gilbertson12
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This post reminded me of this video I saw on this site a few years ago.
The video is about the dangers of playing around with nooses because of blood rushing to your brain after attempting hanging but it's also really interesting nearly how to like
It may help you discover what it takes to black out
Not sure if that was what you meant
Here is another video I found in the Hanging megathread under the resources
The video is about the dangers of playing around with nooses because of blood rushing to your brain after attempting hanging but it's also really interesting nearly how to like
It may help you discover what it takes to black out
Not sure if that was what you meant
Here is another video I found in the Hanging megathread under the resources
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This is a good video. There certainly are multiple methods of inducing unconsciousness relat8ng to choking. Not limited to:
1. Primary airways obstruction by pressure on the trachea. This is slow and painful
2. Occlusion of internal carotids (vertebral arteries not withstanding), if you compress these, you go to sleep quickly. In actuality, if you are squeezing in the right place, you will also have some jugular constriction. Most chokes in martial arts utilize this (and perhaps some of 3). I can say, there is a definite difference in feeling between 2 and 3, namely, you don't turn purple, and you don't feel the same "pressure" or swelling , as the carotids are occluded, so there is no excess blood trying to refurn from the head. One other note, is those choked unconscious by this usually don't twitch (certainly not to the degree in the video.). Slightly faster than 3. I believe I've seen this mentioned as the ratchet method or night night
3. Primary jugular obstruction - this is interesting, as what is depicted in the video is almost like a mini tamponade. The pressure in the venous system increases so that it is close to arterial pressure. What is depicted in the video is the sudden release of pressure results in a rapid outflow of blood, dropping bp and causing syncope. I think the release Of pressure as seen in the video is essential for the rapid unconsciousness. Definite feeling of pressure or swelling in the face (similar to if you hung upside down for a few seconds until your BP started to regulate.
1. Primary airways obstruction by pressure on the trachea. This is slow and painful
2. Occlusion of internal carotids (vertebral arteries not withstanding), if you compress these, you go to sleep quickly. In actuality, if you are squeezing in the right place, you will also have some jugular constriction. Most chokes in martial arts utilize this (and perhaps some of 3). I can say, there is a definite difference in feeling between 2 and 3, namely, you don't turn purple, and you don't feel the same "pressure" or swelling , as the carotids are occluded, so there is no excess blood trying to refurn from the head. One other note, is those choked unconscious by this usually don't twitch (certainly not to the degree in the video.). Slightly faster than 3. I believe I've seen this mentioned as the ratchet method or night night
3. Primary jugular obstruction - this is interesting, as what is depicted in the video is almost like a mini tamponade. The pressure in the venous system increases so that it is close to arterial pressure. What is depicted in the video is the sudden release of pressure results in a rapid outflow of blood, dropping bp and causing syncope. I think the release Of pressure as seen in the video is essential for the rapid unconsciousness. Definite feeling of pressure or swelling in the face (similar to if you hung upside down for a few seconds until your BP started to regulate.
Interesting. Did. you practice the positions 2 and 3 and compared? Could you describe your experiences? Thx.
one other point I should point out regarding the difference in method 2 and 3. When someone is choked unconscious by occluding the carotids, they are out and limp like dead weight. In The middle of the first video, the girl who accidentally killed herself by partial hanging (method 3 was the main reason she passed out), you can see her struggling to stand and having involuntary movements.
I'm somewhat simplifying everything, as the reasons for syncope can be more complex or numerous than I'm describing. I've never practiced partial hanging, as it can be quite dangerous, as demonstrated. I've certainly been choked unconscious and choked othersout as well. I was trying to better describe what is going on a physiologic level between the various forms of hanging. I know I've seen accounts in one of the mega threads of ways to increase constriction on the carotids, such as potato cut in half or small balls.
I'm somewhat simplifying everything, as the reasons for syncope can be more complex or numerous than I'm describing. I've never practiced partial hanging, as it can be quite dangerous, as demonstrated. I've certainly been choked unconscious and choked othersout as well. I was trying to better describe what is going on a physiologic level between the various forms of hanging. I know I've seen accounts in one of the mega threads of ways to increase constriction on the carotids, such as potato cut in half or small balls.
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