how much do you want a quick and painless method?

[violetforever]

quick and painless is preferable but i feel like i could bear some pain as long as i know it would kill me for sure. this sounds dumb and probably not comparable to literal death, i know the men will think im being dramatic for sure, but the reason i say this is bc ive experienced horrible pain already:

my period cramps are so bad that when i had a kidney stone i genuinely just thought it was my period so i didnt go to the hospital until a day later. i still think my period cramps hurt more than the kidney stone! when i have my period the cramps in my stomach ache so bad that i throw up, have a cold sweat, get dizzy/weak, have a loss of vision and cry in pain. one time it was so bad i just laid underwater in the bathtub wishing to drown myself. i always put my fingers down my throat to force vomiting so the pain is over faster. its usually around 2 hours. i spend the rest of the day laying in bed regaining strength.

another time i had a UTI while i was on my period and i really felt like i was going to die from the pain. i was aching all over, freezing cold, shivering and shaking, sweating and so weak that i could barely move so i just laid on the floor.

i dont want to be in pain for hours to days like i was in those situations but if i had the chance to endure a similar pain for a few minutes in exchange for a 100% chance of death, id do it. is SN like this? not that i could ever get it. i imagine overdosing on pills might be the same too? not worth it to me after reading the megathread of methods to avoid either. a train is looking to be what i want but of course theres even a risk with that. why cant we just have an accessible guaranteed method?

(btw if anyone is wondering, i did find a remedy months ago to stop the torturous cramping. thankfully i havent been physically suffering for a while, just mentally)

 

[Forever Sleep]

It does matter to me. I did source SN when it was slightly easier to access. Although, it's just expired now. I'm hoping it will still be ok. But- I chose it because I felt like it was one method I could actually envisage myself using. (I'm waiting for my Dad to pass first though- hence the delay.)

My hope is that it will be only be uncomfortable- rather than excruciatingly painful. Although, I'll do my best to brace myself for it being painful.

I had gallstones- which were the worst pain I've experienced- with eventually a stone moving into the bile duct. I suppose it gives me confidence that I had had 13 very painful attacks before I literally couldn't bear it anymore. That was a combination of my hatred of and reluctance to see doctors and NHS incompetence. But- the fact that on the first attempt, it was a complete shock and I assumed it was a heart attack but, didn't call an ambulance gives me confidence I can hopefully wait an attempt out the same.

As to how far I'd go though- for a more peaceful method? Apparently, not that far! I did order SN with the fear of a welfair check at the back of my mind- which did eventually happen. I wouldn't risk breaking the law though- trying to obtain illegal drugs. I'd be wary of scams too. I'd be cautious about buying things. I considered inert gas but then, I don't fancy neighbours becoming nosey. Or, storing a large tank safely either.

So, I'm kind of fussy really- despite claiming I really want a peaceful method. The CO method also concerns me for the risk of hurting others or setting fire to everything. I wouldn't want to risk hurting others in order to kill myself.

I suppose the hope with a more peaceful method is that it will hopefully cause less disturbance- noise and visually afterwards. But then, I'm hoping it will also be more likely I'll see it through. If it's very violent I feel like I will either more likely consciously back out or, unconsciously- fight against it. I'm amazed people get partial hanging to work for example.

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, to cease existing peacefully and finally be at peace from this torturous, cruel existence is all I could ever hope for, I'd just never wish for this dreadful existence of futile suffering that I just always saw as a mistake that just tortures existing beings with no limit as to how much agony one can feel, for me non-existence is just all that's positive.

I'd just always prefer the true permanent peace of non-existence over being tortured in this existence for decades longer just to face the agony of old age, the fact that the torture of existing can continue for much longer is just so horrific, this existence never should had been imposed and it's so terrible how it was. There's just so much evil in existing and the fact that the option of peaceful, guaranteed death is denied is such a terrible unacceptable crime that just causes way more torture, harm and suffering, I always suffer so much from existing in this horrific anti-suicide prison world where the suffering and torture of existing is seen as to force and prolong no matter what.

 

[Intoxicated]

I often think about how much pain people are ready to withstand in order to continue living and how little pain they are commonly ready to endure in order to end their so called "unbearable suffering" by ending own life. It looks like that in most cases the "unbearable suffering" is not really so "unbearable", it's rather the overly demanding nature of some people. They want a necessarily "painless" CTB method accessible with little to no effort like some people want to have a necessarily rich & beautiful spouse and luxurious life just because of their internal beliefs that they somehow deserve living in luxury (which typically produces hard butthurt due to mismatching between expectations and reality). Ironically, some of them mistype "CTB" as "CBT", which is probably what they actually need.

In my opinion, people who have strong reasons to die wouldn't find methods like plain full-suspension hanging or drowning (without using any means for reducing discomfort) terrifying to a degree that would deter them from killing themselves, although they may prefer a more comfortable method in case of its availability.

 

[Dinozauria]

When looking for a method I always looked for anything painless (doesn't really have to be quick). I think I'd be fine with pain for like a short time so long as I die right afterwards. Like, for example, my method is jumping into water. I'd hopefully die on impact, but if I don't, though it will be painful, I'll still die anyway so it doesn't matter too much to me

 

[violetforever]

I often think about how much pain people are ready to withstand in order to continue living and how little pain they are commonly ready to endure in order to end their so called "unbearable suffering" by ending own life.

yeah i see ur point

 

[urgent]

I often think about how much pain people are ready to withstand in order to continue living and how little pain they are commonly ready to endure in order to end their so called "unbearable suffering" by ending own life. It looks like that in most cases the "unbearable suffering" is not really so "unbearable", it's rather the overly demanding nature of some people. They want a necessarily "painless" CTB method accessible with little to no effort like some people want to have a necessarily rich & beautiful spouse and luxurious life just because of their internal beliefs that they somehow deserve living in luxury (which typically produces hard butthurt due to mismatching between expectations and reality). Ironically, some of them mistype "CTB" as "CBT", which is probably what they actually need.

In my opinion, people who have strong reasons to die wouldn't find methods like plain full-suspension hanging or drowning (without using any means for reducing discomfort) terrifying to a degree that would deter them from killing themselves, although they may prefer a more comfortable method in case of its availability.

I don't know how to explain it to you. I am suffering unbearable pain. I have no choice but to exist in this extreme pain. I do think to myself how can I end it no matter how much it hurts it will be over with but I physically have no strength, I don't live alone. I don't have any way to hang myself, I don't have a gun but if I did I don't know if I would die, I live in a place where emt response is 4 minutes, and I know from experience, my neighbors know me well and would immediately get involved if they saw anything odd, like I've said I'm in pain even typing but I can't find any way, painless and not messy,quick would be preferred because I don't want to be heard or seen because I don't want to hurt or traumatize anyone or be stopped and have the police, neighbors, ambulance, emt, family and friends all seeing me and then ending up in a ward. Some of you might physically be able to get sources, have privacy, live or be able to drive or walk somewhere you won't be found to quickly. I think we all have different circumstances. I'm sure most of us find it hard to overcome our body's instinct to not hurt ourselves but some of us also have others who make sure there's nothing available to us. I can't even order something. I can't get the mail. I can't even VSED because I'm not alone. I also worry about someone being questioned. I just know I'm in severe pain every minute. I want it to stop. I envy those who can use one of the many end of life options I can't. What I wish for is not possible. If I stopped focusing on trying to do everything to live and thought about end of life options when it gets bad I think I would have been able to leave without anyone even knowing what happened. It's very difficult for others to realize you don't want to leave or hurt them but it's brutal to exist in pain unable to do anything. I'm not sure how to explain it.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I don't know how to explain it to you. I am suffering unbearable pain. I have no choice but to exist in this extreme pain. I do think to myself how can I end it no matter how much it hurts it will be over with but I physically have no strength, I don't live alone. I don't have any way to hang myself, I don't have a gun but if I did I don't know if I would die, I live in a place where emt response is 4 minutes, and I know from experience, my neighbors know me well and would immediately get involved if they saw anything odd, like I've said I'm in pain even typing but I can't find any way, painless and not messy,quick would be preferred because I don't want to be heard or seen because I don't want to hurt or traumatize anyone or be stopped and have the police, neighbors, ambulance, emt, family and friends all seeing me and then ending up in a ward. Some of you might physically be able to get sources, have privacy, live or be able to drive or walk somewhere you won't be found to quickly. I think we all have different circumstances. I'm sure most of us find it hard to overcome our body's instinct to not hurt ourselves but some of us also have others who make sure there's nothing available to us. I can't even order something. I can't get the mail. I can't even VSED because I'm not alone. I also worry about someone being questioned. I just know I'm in severe pain every minute. I want it to stop. I envy those who can use one of the many end of life options I can't. What I wish for is not possible. If I stopped focusing on trying to do everything to live and thought about end of life options when it gets bad I think I would have been able to leave without anyone even knowing what happened. It's very difficult for others to realize you don't want to leave or hurt them but it's brutal to exist in pain unable to do anything. I'm not sure how to explain it.

i want a quick , painless guaranted method to kill myself. several exist like Nembutal , morphine, Sarco suicide pod , me hiring someone to shoot me in the head. but no one can purchase these because they made all of these and more like massive amounts of heroin or fentanyl a crime. they passed laws to make all these methods into crimes.

These bastards are pure evil as they are torturing people like you , me millions of humans by criminalizing painless guaranteed suicide methods like Nembutal , sarco suicide pod , me hiring someone to shoot me in the head and more.

Ok someone is in unending constant unbearable pain or extreme torture. what kind of monsters would say no you have to keep suffering unbearable pain and extreme torture you can't buy nembual , you can't pay someone to shoot you out of your pain, you can't use the sarco suicide pod , you can't buy a lot of heroin or morphine to suicide etc.

there are millions of humans suffering extremely. just in the U.S. 1.5 milion people attempt suicide per year. howver only around 50 thousand suicides per year mostly with guns as guns are lethal .

and i ask why ? why do i and others have to continue to suffer unbearable pain every second for what reason? there is none only that these monsters want to exert total control over the slaves and they could care less if we suffer extremely and probably enjoy our suffering. they paint themselves as saints that want to help. sure is torturing people by criminalizing available methods to escape extreme torture is that helping , is that compassion or empathy ? no that's pure evil torture imprisonment slavery .but they have everyone accepting these injustices and slavery.

These bastards are pure evil they purposefully made Nembutal a crime, same for the sarco suicide pod , also for me hiring someone to shoot me in the head. these are 3 painless quick guaranteed methods. but they purpose

there is no reason why i or anyone has to suffer extremely. nor why i have to suffer at all . why do i even have to live or do anything ? i don't . and even if i weren't suffering or had no problems i still don't want to live in this hell and i would want to purchase Nembutal and escape this prison hell . but they stole our rights to move away from extreme suffering and to own our own life and to choose what to do when to leave this nightmare evil world.

i didn't ask to be born to be brought here , much less to be a tortured slave

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

If there was a quick and especially painless way to CTB I would be gone already. I think it's the pain that I'm having the most difficult time overcoming

 

[urgent]

I often think about how much pain people are ready to withstand in order to continue living and how little pain they are commonly ready to endure in order to end their so called "unbearable suffering" by ending own life. It looks like that in most cases the "unbearable suffering" is not really so "unbearable", it's rather the overly demanding nature of some people. They want a necessarily "painless" CTB method accessible with little to no effort like some people want to have a necessarily rich & beautiful spouse and luxurious life just because of their internal beliefs that they somehow deserve living in luxury (which typically produces hard butthurt due to mismatching between expectations and reality). Ironically, some of them mistype "CTB" as "CBT", which is probably what they actually need.

In my opinion, people who have strong reasons to die wouldn't find methods like plain full-suspension hanging or drowning (without using any means for reducing discomfort) terrifying to a degree that would deter them from killing themselves, although they may prefer a more comfortable method in case of its availability.

I have been able to suffer a lot of pain that was caused by health issues, surgeries, etc. I've been hit by a car, broken bones, car accidents, fall down cement staircase, shoulder dislocated, a lot of painful spinal procedures. I would be willing to have a painful exit if I could access one that I would be able to complete and die from. I would like a painless, quick, definite end like most people but if someone could shoot or strangle or suffocate me as long as I didn't have to keep suffering any way out would be fine but I don't want anyone to go to prison. I don't want anyone who would feel remorse either. I wish I knew the type of person who feels it's compassionate to stop human suffering the way we do for animals. I don't see any way to end it. I have been researching and trying to find a way but laws and people who think it's wrong make it difficult. I want so desperately for the pain to end right now.

 

[Lucid7972]

as a guy lol, my pain and fear tolerance is close to zero, I would only accept a supervised Swiss VAD, and better to be injection over oral solution, I also can't stand bitterness of drugs (what a cry baby I am hh), even if it is the same as injecting/swallowing N at home, have medical staff there I believe will ease my fear for failure.

I don't think you can do utilitarian style addition and subtraction with pain calculation, the fear of extreme pain and the fear of unknown of the pain should also be in the equation, it must be more than exponential level to explain my sensitivity

 

[violetforever]

as a guy lol, my pain and fear tolerance is close to zero, I would only accept a supervised Swiss VAD, and better to be injection over oral solution, I also can't stand bitterness of drugs (what a cry baby I am hh), even if it is the same as injecting/swallowing N at home, have medical staff there I believe will ease my fear for failure.

I don't think you can do utilitarian style addition and subtraction with pain calculation, the fear of extreme pain and the fear of unknown of the pain should also be in the equation, it must be more than exponential level to explain my sensitivity

does that mean youve never even considered a method on here??? i get it, its so grim and unfair. i hope ur doing ok

 

[Intoxicated]

I'm sure most of us find it hard to overcome our body's instinct to not hurt ourselves

There's no such a thing as "instinct to not hurt ourselves". We're just inclined to seeking for more comfort, while hurting yourself is commonly consciously or subconsciously associated with (a possibility of) going to a less comfortable state, which contradicts our fundamental wishes. Fear and doubts arise from the feeling of a threat of degradation in the level of comfort rather than from some instinct telling us that any damage is just bad and should be avoided. This association between damage and degradation of comfort often escapes attention when the person has an intense feeling of self-hatred, so self-harmers sometimes get severe injuries.

When a possibly painful harm to the body is associated with a significant reward, our intuition may decide that the reward is worth the trouble. For example, attractive pleasure from taking a drug may outweigh the fear before negative side effects from it. For another example, wanting a desirable baby may outweigh the fear before suffering during the pregnancy period, childbirth, and postpartum recovery, which in total may easily exceed suffering from 100 painful hangings. This is why I believe that people who insist on painlessness when wanting to CTB don't really consider death as highly rewarding. What they truly want and seek for is compassion.

I may seem somewhat hypocritical here, since my preferable method is nearly discomfort-free, but I had to invest a lot of time in research in order to find it and ensure that I could reliably use it, rather than just dream about how good it would be if someone handed a good method to me, with little to no effort from my side. And despite having a comfortable method at my disposal, I still think that imagining painful death may serve a good test. If it seems too bad, then my situation is likely not critical enough to warrant CTB.

 

[failedmind]

i would love a quick and painless method but i also have excruciating period cramps where i have to lay in a ball and cry and try not to be sick so i understand where you're coming from. it's truly the worst pain ever and ive had other surgeries that don't even compare to the pain of my cramps. if you could, could you pls share the remedy you found??

 

[rainatthebusstop]

Well, I'd die for a painless method (insert canned laughter here)

But in all seriousness I think the potential pain is one of the main reasons why I haven't killed myself yet. The methods with the highest lethality I have access to (hanging/drowning) are also famously painful if you fuck up in the process. I think I could withstand a lot of pain if I was guaranteed to die after but alas....

 

[Intoxicated]

but i also have excruciating period cramps where i have to lay in a ball and cry and try not to be sick so i understand where you're coming from. it's truly the worst pain ever and ive had other surgeries that don't even compare to the pain of my cramps. if you could, could you pls share the remedy you found??

Common methods of treating dysmenorrhea are described in the article below

Dysmenorrhea, a Narrative Review of Therapeutic Options - PMC

Dysmenorrhea is the most common pathology women of childbearing age face. It is defined as painful uterine cramping associated with menstruation. Primary dysmenorrhea occurs in the absence of an organic cause, whereas secondary dysmenorrhea is ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[violetforever]

i would love a quick and painless method but i also have excruciating period cramps where i have to lay in a ball and cry and try not to be sick so i understand where you're coming from. it's truly the worst pain ever and ive had other surgeries that don't even compare to the pain of my cramps. if you could, could you pls share the remedy you found??

1000 mg of spearmint capsules. if i dont take it daily, the pain comes back. i hope it works for u too

The methods with the highest lethality I have access to (hanging/drowning) are also famously painful if you fuck up in the process. I think I could withstand a lot of pain if I was guaranteed to die after but alas....

well id take hanging over drowning any day. at least hanging can kind of be practiced. idk if thats possible with drowning.

 

[SASU-KE]

idk if thats possible with drowning.

Yeah, it's not. I used to sink like a stone.When I was a kid, my dad used to throw me in the water to teach himself CPR,so I know.

 

[ohsosleepy]

I've always been very pain averse, so a quick and painless method is what I've always wanted. But with so-called painless methods becoming harder to obtain (SN), ineffective (that time I tried ingesting pure nicotine and ended up vomiting it all out), or difficult to carry out correctly (partial hanging or ligature strangulation), I'm trying to come to terms with the fact that I will have to bear some amount of pain to actually CTB.

Despite the fact that it's either a life of mental and emotional pain or just a few hours of physical pain, I'm still a coward

 

[violetforever]

Despite the fact that it's either a life of mental and emotional pain or just a few hours of physical pain, I'm still a coward

what method includes hours of physical pain? shouldnt it be minutes at most? even with minutes, it still brings up fear.

 

[rkk3]

i agree with all of you

and something about drowning is so weird

i know if i swim far out in the lake i can drown and die

not scared of anything because ive felt physical pain too im the same

 

[ohsosleepy]

what method includes hours of physical pain? shouldnt it be minutes at most? even with minutes, it still brings up fear.

Likely less effective poisoning methods, or stabbing if you can find the willpower to do that.

But I did recently read a thread on someone's experience stabbing themselves, and they reported less pain than they expected while bleeding out (after the stabs I imagine, I truly can't imagine that being bearable in any way). I don't remember where I found it though :(

 

[violetforever]

Likely less effective poisoning methods, or stabbing if you can find the willpower to do that.

oh i guess thats why theyre considered non methods here.

But I did recently read a thread on someone's experience stabbing themselves, and they reported less pain than they expected while bleeding out (after the stabs I imagine, I truly can't imagine that being bearable in any way). I don't remember where I found it though :(

i wonder where they stabbed themselves? the long wait for death sounds unappealing but then again i literally just lay in bed all day. i might as well lay and do something useful like die from it.

 

[urgent]

as a guy lol, my pain and fear tolerance is close to zero, I would only accept a supervised Swiss VAD, and better to be injection over oral solution, I also can't stand bitterness of drugs (what a cry baby I am hh), even if it is the same as injecting/swallowing N at home, have medical staff there I believe will ease my fear for failure.

I don't think you can do utilitarian style addition and subtraction with pain calculation, the fear of extreme pain and the fear of unknown of the pain should also be in the equation, it must be more than exponential level to explain my sensitivity

I would love to have an injection or IV and fall asleep ending this excruciating unbearable suffering finally or I would like nembutal. Why can't I find a vet to sell me it? I've heard of it but I don't know how I could find one. If anyone has a source please PM me or a source for the meds. I really need to end this. This gastroparesis on top my autoimmune diseases,fibromyalgia, gastritis and all the others, especially the pernicious anemia is making it impossible to stop weight loss and dehydration. I'm failure to thrive and muscle wasting and now every time I move, lay down, or look at the TV or phone everything spins really bad. I've been praying and begging to end the torture. I have burning shocking nerve pain from scalp to toes. My vision is gotten more blurry and dru eyes and lips from dehydration. He'll can't be worse. Lupus sores hurting and a lump in my esophagus that burns, keep getting bedsores no matter what, skin feels like I'm on fire, tongue and lips to. I've been suffering for a few years but this has gotten worse and worse. I need a sarco pod. I saw you can build it from the 3D printer, if anyone builds it I'll pay ! We should have a group ctb maybe someone knows how to order the vet meds on the dark web? Did/does anyone work for a vet and know if you can order pet N or other euthenasia medications in the US? Any doctors, NP or vets? A doctor I could do virtual visit and get scripts for those few drugs? I bet with everyone on here we would have all the meds needed for several of us, or insulin enough fent? We could end the suffering, for those in pain ready to ctb!

 

[decafcheeseburger]

I hope I won't wake up in the morning. Other than that, I have a rope ready for partial hanging in my wardrobe

 

[Lucid7972]

does that mean youve never even considered a method on here??? i get it, its so grim and unfair. i hope ur doing ok

not, instant no after I realize how much pain and discomfort they entail, even VAD I am not even 100% sure, because N is strongly alkaline and might hurts your blood vessel and give you IV pain, I still need research on this

 

[wine is fine but]

yeah i see ur point

but the point is only one dimensional

the mental and physical pain you are feeling/have felt seems to be totally involuntary - going out of your way to inflict more pain on yourself to end the current pain is not involuntary. there are no perfect methods for suicide unless you can find a way to be executed, because otherwise, there is at the very least a chance you will survive. and if that attempt brings more pain, you are worse off than you once were. at the very least, there will be embarrassment trying to explain the unexplainable to loved ones, and probably deep negative impacts in your work and social lives that many never truly be overcome

add to that the human spirit does not quit. suicide, for the most part surprises everyone. the families of the victims say they seemed so normal, even happy, and not depressed like they have shown previously. that is because the human spirit does not give up. it always looks for something positive, no matter what the brain may be saying. precious few, if any people take their life on a whim. it is normally after at least months, but generally years of thinking about it. the time for family members to worry about their potentially suicidal family member is when they seem happier, rather than depressed which not many people understand, or agree with (which is of course, their prerogative, and purely subjective)

religious thoughts can get in the way too - no one knows what the after life is all about, so why would anyone want to take the chance of leaving this cesspool to end up somewhere worse for all eternity

guilt also - some of us who are luckier than many on this site, wonder how we can have these thoughts when others are really suffering through no fault of their own

karma, which can be directly related to my above point too - why would anyone want to come back to earth in a worse existence

devastating the people you love

possibly lastly, if someone could be considered directly responsible for another's suicide, that is one very, very huge and unfair albatross to be hanging around their neck for the rest of their lives

there are so many reasons why people on here continue to live and all of them are valid - at least while people are on here, they have a choice, which will no longer be the case if they go ahead with it, and are then not happy with it. in 100 years from now, no on on this site is likely to care what year they got to or how they felt when here. any form of pain sucks while we are here, but in the overall scheme of things, relief isn't that far away and is likely to last for all eternity, so why be in too much of a hurry to achieve it unless they were 100 percent sure they were doing the right thing at the correct time

 

[vascomorrow]

Y

quick and painless is preferable but i feel like i could bear some pain as long as i know it would kill me for sure. this sounds dumb and probably not comparable to literal death, i know the men will think im being dramatic for sure, but the reason i say this is bc ive experienced horrible pain already:

my period cramps are so bad that when i had a kidney stone i genuinely just thought it was my period so i didnt go to the hospital until a day later. i still think my period cramps hurt more than the kidney stone! when i have my period the cramps in my stomach ache so bad that i throw up, have a cold sweat, get dizzy/weak, have a loss of vision and cry in pain. one time it was so bad i just laid underwater in the bathtub wishing to drown myself. i always put my fingers down my throat to force vomiting so the pain is over faster. its usually around 2 hours. i spend the rest of the day laying in bed regaining strength.

another time i had a UTI while i was on my period and i really felt like i was going to die from the pain. i was aching all over, freezing cold, shivering and shaking, sweating and so weak that i could barely move so i just laid on the floor.

i dont want to be in pain for hours to days like i was in those situations but if i had the chance to endure a similar pain for a few minutes in exchange for a 100% chance of death, id do it. is SN like this? not that i could ever get it. i imagine overdosing on pills might be the same too? not worth it to me after reading the megathread of methods to avoid either. a train is looking to be what i want but of course theres even a risk with that. why cant we just have an accessible guaranteed method?

(btw if anyone is wondering, i did find a remedy months ago to stop the torturous cramping. thankfully i havent been physically suffering for a while, just mentally)

You want to ctb because of your period? Sorry if im confused..

 

[violetforever]

You want to ctb because of your period? Sorry if im confused..

no lol i was just using that as an example of how i experienced extreme discomfort already so maybe i should be ok with dying a painful death instead of using the excuse of waiting for a "painless" method. i can see women with something like endometriosis being suicidal over it though. its horrible and womens health is not really taken seriously.

 

[vascomorrow]

no lol i was just using that as an example of how i experienced extreme discomfort already so maybe i should be ok with dying a painful death instead of using the excuse of waiting for a "painless" method. i can see women with something like endometriosis being suicidal over it though. its horrible and womens health is not really taken seriously.

I take it seriously, a person's feelings should be validated.

Hugs