I have been reading a lot about Stop SS recently. Ironically since this happened with the NYT I am way more active in this forum. I think my fear to lose this website increases my desire to enjoy the remaining time which I will have in this forum/with this community. Lol.
I read their posts. And I genuinely had the thought how much pro-life a person can be. They made like screenshots when people here in this forum discussed an article of the death of a celebrity. The members talked whether it might have been suicide. I already made this too and I absolutely don't see this as immoral. I have now since almost 10 years (severe) suicidal thoughts after my abuse/bullying. I have never chosen to be so obsessed about my suicidal thoughts. Shouldn't this be protected by free speech to talk about the (potential) suicide of a celebrity. I mean what comes next? Should newspapers be prohibited to report about suicides? For me this resembles the strategy which they have in Asia. Suicide is way more stigmatized, families of people who have jumped in front of trains get a huge penalty. Is this a society we want to live in? Moreover this absolutely does not solve the problem. In Asia they try to surpress it, they do the same with mental illnesses. No wonder the suicide rates in those countries are going through the roof.
It is pretty ridiculous that you get banned from Facebook when you are saying "I want to have assisted suicide". I think if people are not allowed to express their feelings about suicide it increases the likelihood of doing it. For many it can be a valve to talk about it without being judged/mocked.
I think there are different levels concerning pro-life. I want to take a look at it. Many people who are pro-life are opposed to assisted suicide. As I once wrote assisted suicide would be a good way of suicide prevention if the whole process of dying was official. I would make it very liberal. But people who are only in a temporary crisis should not have the access. In an ideal world I would also give this right to mentally ill and also completely healthy people. (Like in the highest court ruling from Germany 2020. Though it will probably not be implemented as a law thanks to the religious-conservatives.)
It is completely obivous that if there is no official way to die there are will be many people who feel forced to search for another place to get the required information. Suicide does not vanish only if some people don't like it. There are different levels of pro-life. People who don't want that mentally ill people can get assisted suicide. People who think absolutely noone should get assisted suicide not even terminally ill. I am pretty sure there are people out there who want that suicide itself should be a crime like in some countries in the past. I have the feeling when I read their messages talking about suicide itself should be a crime. LIke in this banning from Facebook. This is so insane. What should a person like me do when I have treatment resistant severe suicidality for over 10 years. Am I not allowed to express these feelings? Do I have to feel guilt and shame due to the fact I have these feelings? They act like this would be their favorite option. Isn't it enough I have to die like a criminal all alone without my friends holding my hand when finally my wish to die has won? (Otherwise they would get into legal trouble in most countries) When I am not able anymore to deal with all this shit. For me it is not the question whether this happens it is a question of when and how.
I have the feeling many people of them see suicidal people as evil. In so many religions they want to punish people who commited suicide. Many people get mocked after they commited suicide. I have often read online comments like "they will now hopefully burn in hell". Suicidal people are seen as weak. Or as one member of my self-help group put it "as absolute losers". In yellow press they try to make money with fates of individuals. (Though I don't like the term fate.) On Youtube I have seen clickbait with the dead body of Chester Bennington. The society is cruel to the people who already suffered enough. In a post (where I talked about a suicide which I read in a newspaper - this what you would like to prohibit myself of doing.) I wrote about a trans-person who self-immolated. A member of the clinic made pictures of her dead body and posted it on social media. Gawking people searched for the video of her suicide on the internet. The video was going viral.
The people and the society treat people who commited suicide like trash. People feel forced to self-immolate (or other horrible painful methods) in order to protest against their suffering. And what does the world. It spits on their grave. This is all so disgusting. And this gets perpetuated if we treat suicidal people as criminals. Offering them no escape when the pain is unbearable. We leave them alone and look the other way round. You don't like the abyss of humankind. We are not the problem. This is all only a symptom.
I am currently writing way too much in this forum and way too long threads. It is currently my valve because I have to deal with a lot of pressure and other bullshit in real life.
I read their posts. And I genuinely had the thought how much pro-life a person can be. They made like screenshots when people here in this forum discussed an article of the death of a celebrity. The members talked whether it might have been suicide. I already made this too and I absolutely don't see this as immoral. I have now since almost 10 years (severe) suicidal thoughts after my abuse/bullying. I have never chosen to be so obsessed about my suicidal thoughts. Shouldn't this be protected by free speech to talk about the (potential) suicide of a celebrity. I mean what comes next? Should newspapers be prohibited to report about suicides? For me this resembles the strategy which they have in Asia. Suicide is way more stigmatized, families of people who have jumped in front of trains get a huge penalty. Is this a society we want to live in? Moreover this absolutely does not solve the problem. In Asia they try to surpress it, they do the same with mental illnesses. No wonder the suicide rates in those countries are going through the roof.
It is pretty ridiculous that you get banned from Facebook when you are saying "I want to have assisted suicide". I think if people are not allowed to express their feelings about suicide it increases the likelihood of doing it. For many it can be a valve to talk about it without being judged/mocked.
I think there are different levels concerning pro-life. I want to take a look at it. Many people who are pro-life are opposed to assisted suicide. As I once wrote assisted suicide would be a good way of suicide prevention if the whole process of dying was official. I would make it very liberal. But people who are only in a temporary crisis should not have the access. In an ideal world I would also give this right to mentally ill and also completely healthy people. (Like in the highest court ruling from Germany 2020. Though it will probably not be implemented as a law thanks to the religious-conservatives.)
It is completely obivous that if there is no official way to die there are will be many people who feel forced to search for another place to get the required information. Suicide does not vanish only if some people don't like it. There are different levels of pro-life. People who don't want that mentally ill people can get assisted suicide. People who think absolutely noone should get assisted suicide not even terminally ill. I am pretty sure there are people out there who want that suicide itself should be a crime like in some countries in the past. I have the feeling when I read their messages talking about suicide itself should be a crime. LIke in this banning from Facebook. This is so insane. What should a person like me do when I have treatment resistant severe suicidality for over 10 years. Am I not allowed to express these feelings? Do I have to feel guilt and shame due to the fact I have these feelings? They act like this would be their favorite option. Isn't it enough I have to die like a criminal all alone without my friends holding my hand when finally my wish to die has won? (Otherwise they would get into legal trouble in most countries) When I am not able anymore to deal with all this shit. For me it is not the question whether this happens it is a question of when and how.
I have the feeling many people of them see suicidal people as evil. In so many religions they want to punish people who commited suicide. Many people get mocked after they commited suicide. I have often read online comments like "they will now hopefully burn in hell". Suicidal people are seen as weak. Or as one member of my self-help group put it "as absolute losers". In yellow press they try to make money with fates of individuals. (Though I don't like the term fate.) On Youtube I have seen clickbait with the dead body of Chester Bennington. The society is cruel to the people who already suffered enough. In a post (where I talked about a suicide which I read in a newspaper - this what you would like to prohibit myself of doing.) I wrote about a trans-person who self-immolated. A member of the clinic made pictures of her dead body and posted it on social media. Gawking people searched for the video of her suicide on the internet. The video was going viral.
The people and the society treat people who commited suicide like trash. People feel forced to self-immolate (or other horrible painful methods) in order to protest against their suffering. And what does the world. It spits on their grave. This is all so disgusting. And this gets perpetuated if we treat suicidal people as criminals. Offering them no escape when the pain is unbearable. We leave them alone and look the other way round. You don't like the abyss of humankind. We are not the problem. This is all only a symptom.
I am currently writing way too much in this forum and way too long threads. It is currently my valve because I have to deal with a lot of pressure and other bullshit in real life.
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