How many people on here do you think have actually committed suicide?

[Jessica5]

There are plenty of goodbye threads where people on here claim they're about to kill themselves. But I really have no idea how many of those people are telling the truth and how many are trolling.

Occasionally, some of them even appear on this forum days after they claimed they were about to kill themselves.

 

[SpottedPanda]

I'm very sceptical about goodbye threads, mainly because it seems impossible to gauge how many of them are genuine.

People could quite easily post a goodbye thread, and then simply never log in again, while being alive and well.

 

[Saed]

There's absolutely no way of knowing,unless you were an IRL friend,knew their handle on here and that they were truly gone. Or,you witnessed it via Skype or similar,but,even then,you may be being trolled.
ETA outside of the two exits here that blew up the press.
I have been thinking about this a lot with SN. Have drifted into dark,conspiratorial waters,even.
I'd need to keep such musings to myself though,lol.

 

[TAW122]

There is no exact number, and most likely we will never know, but we do know the ones who do if there was an obituary and/or news article of said person. Other than that, we just presume that they either left or have successfully CTB'd. So in short, there is no absolute way of 'knowing'.

 

[Saed]

There is no exact number, and most likely we will never know, but we do know the ones who do if there was an obituary and/or news article of said person. Other than that, we just presume that they either left or have successfully CTB'd. So in short, there is no absolute way of 'knowing'.

Someone would need to know their real name to find an obituary,naturally.
Oftentimes,I have seen people say they've seen someone's obituary,but can't say who it was,for reasons of privacy and forum rules.
You can either take them at their word,or not.
I wonder what level of evidence is required to grey out names? Any?
This is in no way intended to knock the forums at all. This place is an absolute godsend for many.

 

[Neville1]

Obviously most of them cannot be confirmed because few leave any personal details but many can be. In .many news reports are the deaths particularly of @Kakabushi and @Zanexx and also partners @JordT and @Bumblebee. There are obits or news reports for 11 members using SN, most of whom are found in @notjustyetagain's document of fatal SN deaths. News reports or obits can be found for @MachinaArcana (full suspension), @BurningLights (partial), @SiArc (fire), @Farmmaa (F) and @MexicanTravels (N). Probably many more.

RIP all of them. ☮ Knowing of these, we should be cautious to assume that someone hasn't passed just because their details aren't known or their death not publicised.

 

[AlreadyGone]

There is no absolute way of knowing unless it can be verified outside of the forum.

 

[Cosmiq]

I never give too much thought, I mean how many people create accounts or don't and just lurk and then ctb never feeling the need to even engage here.
I don't plan to give my real name here, and any articles likely won't list it either but since I'm jumping from a public place it's likely there will be an article about it.

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

I can leave personal details in a delayed email if anyone wants for my exit tomorrow.

 

[Living sucks]

Some here use rl profile pictures and they can be face matched to find other social media accounts to verify ctb. Some people use their real name as user name. Also I've heard a persons name can be extracted somehow from posting playlists etc .. that's how some confirmations/obits/FB memorials etc have been discovered.

But my favorite one is when member says "if you don't see me posting then you know i succeeded".

 

[Deleted member 17949]

Gonna take a strong estimate and say 7. Maybe 8.

 

[Abir_london]

If I decided to end my life I won't come here,I will just say goodbye to the people who loved me unconditionally and tell them that I love them

 

[WhatIsMyLife]

I'm very sceptical about goodbye threads, mainly because it seems impossible to gauge how many of them are genuine.

People could quite easily post a goodbye thread, and then simply never log in again, while being alive and well.

What exactly do they have to gain from that though? Like they get a few people wishing them the best... That's it. No monetary gain. Nor is their really any trolling satisfaction.

 

[Living sucks]

Gonna take a strong estimate and say 7. Maybe 8.

I can think of 12 without research so there's more

What exactly do they have to gain from that though? Like they get a few people wishing them the best... That's it. No monetary gain. Nor is their really any trolling satisfaction.

Well some people are just sick and like to pretend Or embarrassed? I won't @ them but hoodieluver, Annastesia, losinit20, woodwick, ninja_daryl,

 

[SpottedPanda]

What exactly do they have to gain from that though? Like they get a few people wishing them the best... That's it. No monetary gain. Nor is their really any trolling satisfaction.

One thing is a bit of attention, someone caring, even if it is for an hour. Being remembered in someone else's eyes. I just can't bring myself to believe there are that many successful attempts on a daily basis from this website. The goodbye threads never seem to end.

 

[SSlostallhope]

I was tempted to do my own goodbye thread as I don't really want to feel alone. But I'm doing sn and I could fall unconscious at any moment and my phone would show this website when unlocked I'm not sure how I feel about that

 

[Close_to_freedom]

Over9000 and counting

 

[Saed]

What exactly do they have to gain from that though? Like they get a few people wishing them the best... That's it. No monetary gain. Nor is their really any trolling satisfaction.

A combination of what others have suggested,plus one other possibility.
I don't think I would be permitted to express it.

 

[KLUF]

I think more than 50% members are just hanging around, they don't make plans nor they want to leave, the second part is split: 1/3 make plans and CTB, if they make goodbye threads they may be gone after that, 2/3 left for one reason or another, maybe via goodbye thread.

To sum up, in my rough estimation, at any given moment
60% of members are just being here
25% left (less likely via goodbye thread)
15% make plans/already did it (if it's a goodbye thread it's probably them)

From 1/3 (5%) down to 1/10 (1.5%) of those last 15% may have CTB but it's very rough, take total number of members and figure actual numbers out

 

[Neville1]

I just can't bring myself to believe there are that many successful attempts on a daily basis from this website

Globally there are 800,000 suicide deaths annually, 48,344 (132 per day) in 2018 in US, 6,507 (18 per day) in UK same year.

Given these numbers and some 200+ goodbye posts over 3 years, why should it be hard to imagine that some fair number are genuine?

One thing is a bit of attention, someone caring, even if it is for an hour. Being remembered in someone else's eyes

I agree that often it is about the caring. What other explanation can there be when personal details are shared?

 

[ghostgirl1995]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...nd-experiences-information-google-docs.29900/

I think this a is a good indicator for SN ctb by @notjustyetagain

 

[SpottedPanda]

Globally there are 800,000 suicide deaths annually, 48,344 (132per day) in 2018 in US, 6,507 (18 per day) in UK same year.

Given these numbers and some 200+ goodbye posts over 3 years, why should it be hard to imagine that some fair number are genuine?

A fair number might be genuine, but this is the internet, a place where, given the freedom, people are inclined to be less than honest.

 

[Living sucks]

A combination of what others have suggested,plus one other possibility.
I don't think I would be permitted to express it.

If you mean prolifer setting up a goodbye thread to scaremonger by making it sound like they are suffering to deter ctb, that's also happened/happening.

 

[Saed]

If you mean prolifer setting up a goodbye thread to scaremonger by making it sound like they are suffering to deter ctb, that's also happened/happening.

No. It was something else,not so far removed from that,in it's own way.

 

[Rue89]

I'd like to believe that most of them are genuine. But maybe I'm just naively trusting because I've also worried that people think I'm a troll, and I don't wish anyone else to be in the same position. Also I figure it's not worth it to bring more negativity into my life by trying to catch people lying.

 

[HappyMstake]

I've wondered that as well but I'm sure there's absolutely no way to tell the approximate number. It seems as though there's a new goodbye thread everyday, but who's to say they all actually mean it.

When I go I'm sure I'm not gonna make a goodbye thread, I mean I'm gonna be dead anyway I'll probably disable my account and that's it.

 

[TheRaul95]

Well for me, if im gonna do something I mean it. May be postponed, but i dont see point in trolling or screwing myself...

 

[Pryras]

Uhm, trolling?

There's no sure fire way of knowing exactly how many people from here CTB, some make goodbye threads and others pass without making one. Some people make an impulsive attempt, survive and then leave the forum. Others will back out or change their minds which is completely fine.

Yes trolls exist everywhere but let's not suggest a goodbye thread is a troll attempt just because it doesn't seem "right" ...not sure what a genuine thread is supposed to look like? But anyways, let's give people the benefit of the doubt and take everything at face value. I'd rather believe a possible liar than ignore or question someone who is suffering.

 

[Brokenwithbpd]

I can leave personal details in a delayed email if anyone wants for my exit tomorrow.

How are you feeling??

 

[lostangel]

This can be used against us by pro-lifers so be careful!

But honestly, it is in the tens, but this site has done more good than bad.