How many enemies have you made so far in your life?

[iwanttodie019]

In my case it is 2-4 humans whom i genuinely hate

And what did they do that makes you hate them

 

[Pluto]

 

[Lamentice]

I only hate 1 person, and that is a long story.

I think there are a lot of people who hate (or just dislike) me because I often make people uncomfortable in one way or another.

 

[iwanttodie019]

I only hate 1 person, and that is a long story.

I think there are a lot of people who hate (or just dislike) me because I often make people uncomfortable in one way or another.

WHat did he do to you that makes you hate him?Have you thought about revenge?

 

[itsgone2]

I've made enemies through my actions, that I don't hate. I did. But I was wrong. Some may gloat when I die. Oh well. They won

Other enemies are from the sale of my company. I do hate them. All of them. Not fair that I'm the one dying. Would love to see them drop dead instead.

 

[iwanttodie019]

I've made enemies through my actions, that I don't hate. I did. But I was wrong. Some may gloat when I die. Oh well. They won

Other enemies are from the sale of my company. I do hate them. All of them. Not fair that I'm the one dying. Would love to see them drop dead instead.

Your wish of seeing them dead is anyway going to come true one day since EVERYONE DIES

 

[itsgone2]

Your wish of seeing them dead is anyway going to come true one day since EVERYONE DIES

True. I would hate to know they lived long and enjoyable lives though. To go now would be best.

 

[iwanttodie019]

True. I would hate to know they lived long and enjoyable lives though. To go now would be best.

NOO you have it backwards.
Living long and enjoyable lives is also pointless since after death ,they will not remember having lived long and enjoyable lives.
But if they die early versus if they die late,they will have escaped all their future suffering.
They will never know how it feels to grow old,get cancer,alzeimers etc

YOU SHOULD LOVE TO KNOW THEY LIVED LONG AND ENJOYABLE LIVES AND EXPERIENCE GROWING OLD Versus them dying young which is preferable to living a full life even than dying of old age

 

[itsgone2]

NOO you have it backwards.
Living long and enjoyable lives is also pointless since after death ,they will not remember having lived long and enjoyable lives.
But if they die early versus if they die late,they will have escaped all their future suffering.
They will never know how it feels to grow old,get cancer,alzeimers etc

YOU SHOULD LOVE TO KNOW THEY LIVED LONG AND ENJOYABLE LIVES AND EXPERIENCE GROWING OLD Versus them dying young which is preferable to living a full life even and ying of old age

I disagree. But it's ok. We just have different views on this.

 

[iwanttodie019]

I disagree. But it's ok. We just have different views on this.

You say i want to see them dead
That wish of yours is anyway going to get fulfilled one day
but if their lives are cut short,
they will have escaped all suffering (like growing old,getting cancer etc)
even if they live full lives,they would still have been better off dying young.So them dying young would be doing them a favour

I disagree. But it's ok. We just have different views on this.

Maintaining a happy full life like you said requires effort.SO them having lived a full life required a lot of effort

I disagree. But it's ok. We just have different views on this.

If someone kills themself after one day of suffering and if their future would have been all joy,it would still have been a non issue since after that amazing life of theirs they are going to still die and not remember anything

Besides death assuming it leads to nonexistence is like sleeping.
I die every night when i go to sleep and i was dead for billions of years before being born.Do you feel sorry fo the chair in your room?
Non existence==no suffering,no desires

 

[Lamentice]

WHat did he do to you that makes you hate him?Have you thought about revenge?

They're just a bad person.

No I've never thought of revenge, they're long removed from my life; don't want to interact with them and couldn't care less outside of that.

 

[Spite]

I had a big think about this question, and I wrote down everyone who I would consider to be my enemy throughout my life. I counted 22 people.

There are a lot of people who hate me. But as to how I've made so many enemies, it's gone both ways and it's very half-and-half. I'm no angel, and I am very deeply flawed. A lot of people have hurt me, but I've also hurt a lot of people. I carry with me so much guilt and regret over things that happened in the past that I wish I could go back in time and fix everything. I've fucked up so many times, and made so many mistakes, that my life is almost unbearable because of it.

It's just another reason out of numerous reasons why I want to end my life.

 

[rosynov2]

You say i want to see them dead
That wish of yours is anyway going to get fulfilled one day
but if their lives are cut short,
they will have escaped all suffering (like growing old,getting cancer etc)
even if they live full lives,they would still have been better off dying young.So them dying young would be doing them a favour

Maintaining a happy full life like you said requires effort.SO them having lived a full life required a lot of effort

If someone kills themself after one day of suffering and if their future would have been all joy,it would still have been a non issue since after that amazing life of theirs they are going to still die and not remember anything

Besides death assuming it leads to nonexistence is like sleeping.
I die every night when i go to sleep and i was dead for billions of years before being born.Do you feel sorry fo the chair in your room?
Non existence==no suffering,no desires

-if they die early, people that they love/that love them will grieve harder, of a life not fully lived. this sorrow and pain they feel is different, as many people feel more deep saddness of what couldve been, as you here common sayings ,"but they had their whole life ahead of them", "theyre life was cut off so short", "they wouldve achieved so many things", etc. natural age death is not as painful objectively, because they had the previlige of growing old and getting to experience more of life. maybe technically its pointless, and conciously people will grieve hard in both scenarios, but it will objectively have different and argubably worser effects to the people around them. maybe i can try to provide data that proves this the case.

-the effort to live a happy full life is a prievilge. u can tell people who die from bombs that they are luckier, and they will look at your previlgied take, probably curated and cultivated from not life-threating circumstances, and not understand this concept, because ultimately only the previliged people who have other things to consider of life, over surivival, then they ponder of philospical concepts on the internet. or possibly they could use it as a coping mechanisim to their lifes problems, but it doesnt address the fact that it is cope for their situation as they are vulnerable to die in such position.

-not everyone who sucidides is athiest like you, did you consider that? did you consider maybe just because your life experiences led you to be athiest, and hopeless, does not ultimately make it factually the truth , objectively correct to the point where you can just simply tell others this belief is the reality and nothing else is possible? you are sharing your perspective of nilhisim atheist sure,but why you can't conceptulize why someone else other then you wants to live a full joyful life, and maybe likely doesnt also subscribe to a nihilistic athestic belief, because they had different life experiences than you. maybe they had a good childhood so therefore naturally as humans they follow natural human insticts of surivial and seeking happnies. why is this hard to see i dont know. maybe can be revealed through life experiences that led you to be very narrow.

-i apologize if im being rude

 

[whatsleftover]

-not everyone who sucidides is athiest like you, did you consider that? did you consider maybe just because your life experiences led you to be athiest, and hopeless, does not ultimately make it factually the truth , objectively correct to the point where you can just simply tell others this belief is the reality and nothing else is possible? you are sharing your perspective of nilhisim atheist sure,but why you can't conceptulize why someone else other then you wants to live a full joyful life, and maybe likely doesnt also subscribe to a nihilistic athestic belief, because they had different life experiences than you. maybe they had a good childhood so therefore naturally as humans they follow natural human insticts of surivial and seeking happnies. why is this hard to see i dont know. maybe can be revealed through life experiences that led you to be very narrow.

you said his life experiences had caused his atheistic nihilist views and that it "does not ultimately make it factually the truth". even if it didn't necessitate truth, it still could be the case. when you're referring to a person's disposition and how it constrains a persons ability to hold true beliefs, you're kind of undermining the claim that a god, one which cares for your worship, exists. this is because dispositions are vastly different for everyone (continent, country, city, home, biological dispositions, upbringing, etc), if a disposition constrains this nihilist's thoughts to other possible alternatives, you likely are constrained to other possible alternatives as well (at least constrained so that you are uncompelled by them). if this is true, then it's almost as if a god doesn't exist. a (perfectly reasonable) god that doesn't care for your beliefs wouldn't praise those who believe either. what would then exist on the other side? if an Indifferent god doesn't consider for us on this level, what gives rise to the assumption it would give us something more?

arguing on your side here, even if existence is more bad than nonexistence, life feels good. people just get used to the regular bads of life (like shitting, getting sick, needing hours of sleep just to be tired throughout the day, having to constantly push back hunger, etc. etc.) or are (without choice) biased with their memory, pollyanna effect. this means, that, even if those you hate live longer (and thus experience more bads than goods objectively), they will still remember their life fondly and be happy to have experienced so much goods. when someone dies young, though objectively you are free from the bads, you are (as you may value without choice) missing out on all the further goods your life could have had.

 

[rosynov2]

you said his life experiences had caused his atheistic nihilist views and that it "does not ultimately make it factually the truth". even if it didn't necessitate truth, it still could be the case. when you're referring to a person's disposition and how it constrains a persons ability to hold true beliefs, you're kind of undermining the claim that a god, one which cares for your worship, exists. this is because dispositions are vastly different for everyone (continent, country, city, home, biological dispositions, upbringing, etc), if a disposition constrains this nihilist's thoughts to other possible alternatives, you likely are constrained to other possible alternatives as well (at least constrained so that you are uncompelled by them). if this is true, then it's almost as if a god doesn't exist. a (perfectly reasonable) god that doesn't care for your beliefs wouldn't praise those who believe either. what would then exist on the other side? if an Indifferent god doesn't consider for us on this level, what gives rise to the assumption it would give us something more?

arguing on your side here, even if existence is more bad than nonexistence, life feels good. people just get used to the regular bads of life (like shitting, getting sick, needing hours of sleep just to be tired throughout the day, having to constantly push back hunger, etc. etc.) or are (without choice) biased with their memory, pollyanna effect. this means, that, even if those you hate live longer (and thus experience more bads than goods objectively), they will still remember their life fondly and be happy to have experienced so much goods. when someone dies young, though objectively you are free from the bads, you are (as you may value without choice) missing out on all the further goods your life could have had.

'god that doesn't care for your beliefs wouldn't praise those who believe either. ' um how do you know this? Because my perspective, in Islam, it doesn't matter what your religious beliefs are or ideological, your judged by multiple factors including good deeds, intentions, good soul. You could be atheist, or even nihilistic, but if you are kind soul good person your in heaven, essentially. And Muslims are judged harder as they were blessed with the knowledge of this, of course its really complex and about intentions so it could vary but its known that different dispositions are accounted, and judged differently per person. So I dont know if your assuming that God requires worship for salvation, thats not necessarily the case in Islam. So I wouldn't generalize all religions to be following that set of rules, as probably different religions explain how they deal with different dispositions.

-yeah, I mean I think what it comes down to just simple biology, we are hard wired to seek survival, and seek happiness, to feel good. The people that want to reject it for nihilistic beliefs, I believe if you analyzed their brains, you would see deprived pleasure receptors, and an unhealthy developed brain, because reality is we are intended to biologically be happy, and rejecting this, their neuropathways clearly damaged.

 

[whatsleftover]

'god that doesn't care for your beliefs wouldn't praise those who believe either. ' um how do you know this?

because how right or wrong a person is on a topic would be a matter of luck if dispositions determined who believes and who doesn't, you don't choose your disposition (like being born in a muslim household in a islamic country perhaps?). I suppose a god could be 'happy' (whatever that means for a god) in the same sense that we'd be happy if we saw a nice rainbow, we don't believe rainbows have agency but it's still a nice site to see. such a god cannot punish disbelievers though, we don't torture tsunamis or typhoons for their shortcomings

though the claim you've made for salvation is much nicer (and honestly more in tune with the claim of a perfectly loving god) it doesn't solve the lack of agency. dispositions create criminals or 'bad souls'. i don't remember the numbers exactly, but in the UK 10-25% of the citizens have traumatic brain injury. 60%+ of male convicts have traumatic brain injury, do they have bad souls in need of punishment? some people, having grown around violence are more likely to grow into troubled adults, terrible wives. pathological liars don't come about for no reason and so on. the reason you're not mugging someone with a glass shard is not because of your work ethic and decency but because you just so happen to not have gone bankrupt in 2016 due to the unchosen cancer your mother developed in her breast. the reason you aren't doing hard drugs is because life just didn't beat you down hard enough.

your god, if true, is significantly more loving and benevolent than other gods, that we both can agree on

 

[hurts2b]

I don't think I've made any "real" enemies. Of course there are people I don't like but there's not anyone whose life I'd go out of my way to worsen. That kind of malice takes energy I just don't have. Even in cases where hatred would be justified I find it easiest to just. Forget about it.