How humanity will die out

[deflationary]

I think they're talking out their arse. If you're dead you won't care so let them get on with it. People pretend this is why they're depressed. It isn't, they don't give a fuck about anyone else. They can't just die they've got to take everyone with them. Pathetic and psychotic in equal measure.

You can't imagine someone being depressed over the state of the world and you're calling others psychotic and pathetic. Uh huh.

 

[sully]

I think It will be matter of geological catastrophies or meteors. They can really cause havoc and kill entire species and ecosystems. If volcano exploaded and covered sun for just a week we would all die out of starvation because of how tight we run on food.

If a meteor comes from the Sun's side it's impossible to detect untill the last moment. It can happen any second now ‍

 

[fox_wannabe]

It can happen any second now ‍

Like right now...?
RIGHT NOW?
right.... NOW!!
Fuck it is not working

 

[Mr2005]

You can't imagine someone being depressed over the state of the world and you're calling others psychotic and pathetic. Uh huh.

What are you depressed about? That we're not dead already? Boo hoo

 

[deflationary]

What are you depressed about? That we're not dead already? Boo hoo

Boohoo right back at your outrage at this thread. The world is shit so it's sad that it's probably gonna continue to exist for a long time.

 

[Mr2005]

Boohoo right back at your outrage at this thread. The world is shit so it's sad that it's probably gonna continue to exist for a long time.

Not for you so wtf do you care?

 

[sully]

Like right now...?
RIGHT NOW?
right.... NOW!!
Fuck it is not working

I mean dinosaurs didn't expect it either…
Not that they had any tools to detect it or somehow prevent it…

 

[Snake of Eden]

I think they're talking out their arse. If you're dead you won't care so let them get on with it. People pretend this is why they're depressed. It isn't, they don't give a fuck about anyone else. They can't just die they've got to take everyone with them. Pathetic and psychotic in equal measure.

Totally. Some people feel entitled to want the rest of the world to go down with them because they are depressed themselves and it is unfair so the only logically fair thing to do to fix the situation is to make the rest of the world like them

 

[deflationary]

Not for you so wtf do you care?

I can care about things other than myself? I thought you were sposed to be the compassionate one here? You might want to introspect on why this is so puzzling for you.

Totally. Some people feel entitled to want the rest of the world to go down with them because they are depressed themselves and it is unfair so the only logically fair thing to do to fix the situation is to make the rest of the world like them

And how isn't it fair for the world to disappear? Why would I not wish for the world that made me and others like me to not exist? I don't get this masochistic love for the world even some suicidal people have. I don't wish misery on anyone but I also don't condone a system that thrives at the expense of people that have to go through the most horrendous sorts of suffering.

 

[Addi_Madd]

No, the biological imperative to breed has lasted us this long and I think it will keep doing so. No matter how bad things get enough people will still feel the urge and act on it to keep the human race going.

On a much darker and more cynical note, in an apocalyptic or post apocalyptic scenario even if women make a collective decision to not bring more children into the world (highly unlikely, see above) I think men will still have enough power and control to enforce breeding.

And even darker and more cynical, rape will be endemic as it usually is in time of conflict (see every war ever), and I doubt most rapists will be using condoms.

 

[Mr2005]

I can care about things other than myself? I thought you were sposed to be the compassionate one here? You might want to introspect on why this is so puzzling for you.

you can but you don't. The saying goes "good men plant trees the shade of which they never sit in" not they chop them all down as a final fuck you

 

[Snake of Eden]

I can care about things other than myself? I thought you were sposed to be the compassionate one here? You might want to introspect on why this is so puzzling for you.

You have a warped sense of compassion if your solution to a rotten world is by exterminating humanity. Misanthropy doesnt equal compassion

 

[deflationary]

you can but you don't. The saying goes "good men plant trees the shade of which they never sit in" not they chop them all down as a final fuck you

You know nothing about me. You're flinging words to cover your own deficiencies and lack of argument. I'm not impressed.

You have a warped sense of compassion if your solution to a rotten world is by exterminating humanity. Misanthropy doesnt equal compassion

Nah, mine is the unwarped kind. The warped kind is the one that condones this shit going on.

 

[sully]

No, the biological imperative to breed has lasted us this long and I think it will keep doing so. No matter how bad things get enough people will still feel the urge and act on it to keep the human race going.

On a much darker and more cynical note, in an apocalyptic or post apocalyptic scenario even if women make a collective decision to not bring more children into the world (highly unlikely, see above) I think men will still have enough power and control to enforce breeding.

And even darker and more cynical, rape will be endemic as it usually is in time of conflict (see every war ever), and I doubt most rapists will be using condoms.

I think it's not so much about making babies it's more about resourses, natural disasters and space expanding. The humanity will not be able to handle it and eventually space will overpower us. If we want to survive we should already have colonies on different planets in different galaxies and pump energy from stars.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Everyone that enjoys life ultimately enjoys it at the expense of the sufferers.

This world view is so wrong. While there always been so much injustice in the world, that doesnt mean that all members of our species is guilty of it. Most of people who are enjoying life are doing so because thats what they are naturally programmed to do and they dont have to express that at the expense of someone else's suffering. Should the enjoyers be eradicated along with the sufferers to bring about true compassion?

 

[deflationary]

This world view is so wrong. While there always been so much injustice in the world, that doesnt mean that all members of our species is guilty of it. Most of people who are enjoying life are doing so because thats what they are naturally programmed to do and they dont have to express that at the expense of someone else's suffering. Should the enjoyers be eradicated along with the sufferers to bring about true compassion?

If there was a way to leave only people that enjoy life then that would be fine. But that's never gonna happen. So a complete extermination is the best we can hope for.

What I meant by that quote is that there's always gonna have to be people that are gonna be collateral damage so that the life-enjoyers could thrive. That's a totally unfair deal and the people that end up getting the raw deal shouldn't just be expected to go "oh well, that's too bad. At least other people are enjoying themselves". Nah, I didn't consent to this shit. There's gonna be people in the future that are gonna feel the same way as me. My empathy is for them, not the ones that hope to keep this carnival going forever.

 

[sully]

If there was a way to leave only people that enjoy life then that would be fine. But that's never gonna happen. So a complete extermination is the best we can hope for.

What I meant by that quote is that there's always gonna have to be people that are gonna be collateral damage so that the life-enjoyers could thrive. That's a totally unfair deal and the people that end up getting the raw deal shouldn't just be expected to go "oh well, that's too bad. At least other people are enjoying themselves". Nah, I didn't consent to this shit. There's gonna be people in the future that are gonna feel the same way as me. My empathy is for them, not the ones that hope to keep this carnival going forever.

you are right in the way that the world is unfair and life generally sucks. This world is VERY unfair to some people while other people of the same kind elsewhere have happy lives. It shouldn't be like this.

 

[Snake of Eden]

And how isn't it fair for the world to disappear? Why would I not wish for the world that made me and others like me to not exist? I don't get this masochistic love for the world even some suicidal people have. I don't wish misery on anyone but I also don't condone a system that thrives at the expense of people that have to go through the most horrendous sorts of suffering.

No it is not fair. Your prospective is plainly self-centered and myopic because you are in so much pain which has skewed your views in a a direction where you are unable to see the reality of the world for what it is. A natural progression of your ideas will eventually advocate for genocide against our species because the wrongs in the world justifies ending humanity to free it from the pain it is inflicting on itself. There is so much goodness and love that goes around in the world and I am truly sorry that you havent been touched by it or otherwise you would not feel entitled to wanting the world to disappear.

 

[deflationary]

No it is not fair. Your prospective is plainly self-centered and myopic because you are in so much pain which has skewed your views in a a direction where you are unable to see the reality of the world for what it is. A natural progression of your ideas will eventually advocate for genocide against our species because the wrongs in the world justifies ending humanity to free it from the pain it is inflicting on itself. There is so much goodness and love that goes around in the world and I am truly sorry that you havent been touched by it or otherwise you would not feel entitled to wanting the world to disappear.

Sorry but I'm not being unduly self-centered or myopic by saying that I don't agree to be collateral damage to a shitty world. You wouldn't say that to an abuse survivor, but that's basically what this world does. The ones that are in favor of keeping this thing going are the ones that need to justify themselves. They're the ones to whom all suffering can be traced back to.

 

[Deleted member 8579]

While there always been so much injustice in the world, that doesnt mean that all members of our species is guilty of it.

Perhaps not directly, but indirectly. There is only a finite amount of resources available on this planet, and therefore every resource you use is not available to someone else. The abundance of resources available to first world countries is only possible at the expense of third world countries, similar to the way the abundance of resources available to the upper classes is only possible at the expense of the lower classes. One could also argue that your existence has a negative impact on the environment (both directly and indirectly), which will cause suffering to future generations.

Most of people who are enjoying life are doing so because thats what they are naturally programmed to do

The human brain was not programmed to be happy, it was programmed to survive.

 

[hʚll]

No it is not fair. Your prospective is plainly self-centered and myopic because you are in so much pain which has skewed your views in a a direction where you are unable to see the reality of the world for what it is. A natural progression of your ideas will eventually advocate for genocide against our species because the wrongs in the world justifies ending humanity to free it from the pain it is inflicting on itself. There is so much goodness and love that goes around in the world and I am truly sorry that you havent been touched by it or otherwise you would not feel entitled to wanting the world to disappear.

you sound like a therapist lol
they are clearly talking from a place of empathy and compassion, they are thinking and feeling so much for all the sentient beings who are suffering everyday for no reason. i don't really know how you can't see how wide their prospective is.

 

[Snake of Eden]

If there was a way to leave only people that enjoy life then that would be fine. But that's never gonna happen. So a complete extermination is the best we can hope for.

Not all the people who suffer want to die. Is it compassionate to exterminate them against their will to end their suffering?

What I meant by that quote is that there's always gonna have to be people that are gonna be collateral damage so that the life-enjoyers could thrive. That's a totally unfair deal and the people that end up getting the raw deal shouldn't just be expected to go "oh well, that's too bad. At least other people are enjoying themselves". Nah, I didn't consent to this shit. There's gonna be people in the future that are gonna feel the same way as me. My empathy is for them, not the ones that hope to keep this carnival going forever.

Thats the nature of life in the world. Is it compassionate and fair to bring about the end of humanity to end suffering for those who suffer? Couldnt be there a more compassionate solution?

Sorry but I'm not being unduly self-centered or myopic by saying that I don't agree to be collateral damage to a shitty world. You wouldn't say that to an abuse survivor, but that's basically what this world does.

But it is still self-centered and myopic because you are only holding this view based on your own experience as a sufferer. You wouldnt think the same way if were an enjoyer. And yes i would say the same thing to an abuse survivor if they too advocated ending humanity because it would be the compassionate thing to do.

The ones that are in favor of keeping this thing going are the ones that need to justify themselves. They're the ones to whom all suffering can be traced back to.

You are saying anyone who doesn't advocate for ending humanity proactively as the only compassionate solution to end suffering, is culpable of all the suffering exists

 

[deflationary]

you sound like a therapist lol
they are clearly talking from a place of empathy and compassion, they are thinking and feeling so much for all the sentient beings who are suffering everyday for no reason. i don't really know how you can't see how wide their prospective is.

Thank you but I don't mean too sound too Jesus-like either :) it's not like I'm constantly torn up about the suffering of others. I'm mostly self-centered as well, like most people are. It's simply a question of extending how I feel about being wronged by having been brought into this world to others that are like me. I simply don't think it's right to gamble on others' lives (which is what continuing life on this planet means) so I'm hoping that this process will come to an end sooner rather than later.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Perhaps not directly, but indirectly. There is only a finite amount of resources available on this planet, and therefore every resource you use is not available to someone else. The abundance of resources available to first world countries is only possible at the expense of third world countries, similar to the way the abundance of resources available to the upper classes is only possible at the expense of the lower classes.

People can thrive on minimum living standards if their necessities are met. Does that make them culpable for the inequalities that goes on in the world like what you've mentioned?

One could also argue that your existence has a negative impact on the environment (both directly and indirectly), which will cause suffering to future generations.

so the answer is that I remove my existence from the equation so I am not culpable in negatively impacting the environment or suffering of future generations because I need resources to survive and thrive? What makes future generations more entitled to the resources i need to survive?

The human brain was not programmed to be happy, it was programmed to survive

Who said anything about happiness? We are programmed to seek enjoyment and avoid pain because it is conducive to our survival for the most part. Enjoyment gives us a purpose to keep existing. We naturally are supposed to enjoy every aspect of being alive as much as we can. It is our natural inclination. And what I meant to say is that for humans enjoyment is their default setting if they were healthy, cared for, provided minimum living standards to thrive and are left alone without violence or traumas.

you sound like a therapist lol
they are clearly talking from a place of empathy and compassion, they are thinking and feeling so much for all the sentient beings who are suffering everyday for no reason. i don't really know how you can't see how wide their prospective is.

Wide as in lets kill all living beings to end suffering for good! Yes thats too wide for my narrow mind.

i sound like a therapist because it is obvious that the cause of such an extreme world view is totally personal and psychological. And no i dont agree that they are thinking and feeling so much for all sentient beings. They only think of themselves and themselves alone. If you could somehow remove the causes of their own suffering, they wouldnt spend 20 seconds contemplating what others go through in terms of pain and suffering.

 

[deflationary]

Is it compassionate to exterminate them against their will to end their suffering?

Who said anything about exterminating anyone? If people want to live then they're welcome to do so for all I care, as long as they don't create new people. All I said was that I think life as a whole is a bad thing and thus I hope that it stops existing as soon as possible. It's nonsensical and cruel to think that it's a bad thing and still hope that it goes on forever. And it's also cruel to think that it's a good thing overall, considering its costs and inherent unfairness. And it *is* gonna end one day, you realize that, right? Whatever misery accompanies its ending is unavoidable. So the only reasonable and compassionate conclusion is just to hope that it ends sooner rather than later.

But it is still self-centered and myopic because you are only holding this view based on your own experience as a sufferer. You wouldnt think the same way if were an enjoyer. And yes i would say the same thing to an abuse survivor if they too advocated ending humanity because it would be the compassionate thing to do.

I've enjoyed my life for at least a couple of years during my existence and never have I thought that existence of life on the whole was anything other than a regrettable thing. If I had been an "enjoyer" from the beginning then, yes, most likely I really would feel differently. But that's just saying that if I was a different kind of person, I'd be a different kind of person. Everyone holds their opinions only because of their own specific personality and experiences. There's no other way it could work. It's a meaningless criticism. I'm quite comfortable telling an enjoyer that their happiness doesn't make up for others' misery. You have to be comfortable telling the sufferer that they need to suck it up and stop being a self-centered baby and that their suffering is okay because there's other people that do enjoy their lives. Which you probably are comfortable doing, but to me that seems repugnant.

The comment about abuse survivors was supposed to be a comparison to their anger at the abuser. I hope you wouldn't tell them they were being self-centered and myopic if they hated their abuser and wished that they didn't exist. That's what life is too, a shitty abuser that everyone keeps making absurd excuses for. And it deserves the same contempt too.

They only think of themselves and themselves alone. If you could somehow remove the causes of their own suffering, they wouldnt spend 20 seconds contemplating what others go through in terms of pain and suffering.

Like that other dunce, you know nothing about me. Ironically the only reason why you're so confident about saying this is that your ability to empathize with a position that's not your own is so severely limited.

 

[hʚll]

Thats the nature of life in the world. Is it compassionate and fair to bring about the end of humanity to end suffering for those who suffer? Couldnt be there a more compassionate solution?

the most compassionate solution is antinatalism. and since we are well aware of the nature of life, that's the reason why we should make everything we can to stop more life to come in the future. otherwise we are just accomplices to a cruel existence that doesnt care about anything and anyone but preserving itself. adopting the antinatalist mentality prevents so many innocents from suffering immensily for nothing. and i am not even bringing the consent argument in yet: that is the most profound injustice and wound. i wouldn't want to inflict that to anyone.

Wide as in lets kill all living beings to end suffering for good! Yes thats too wide for my narrow mind.

as i thought, they obviously didn't mean "extermination" as killing everyone but to adopt antinatalism to get sooner to the end of humanity

If you could somehow remove the causes of their own suffering, they wouldnt spend 20 seconds contemplating what others go through in terms of pain and suffering.

you can only remove that by dying. the default state of life is suffering. everyone is suffering in their own way.
and you are probably one of those who thinks that all antinatalists are edgy suicidal people who hate life, but there are so many others that enjoy life and are not suicidal but that have the emotional intelligence to understand that bringing more life is morally wrong.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

That's my fear as well. I truly hope that humanity is gone soon enough and that we won't be able to engineer our way out of our predicaments. Humanity "thriving" far off into the future is a horrible thing to consider.

i don't think humans will ever be able to go to another star system. Just the next nearest star after the sun is 25 trillion miles away which is an unimaginably long distance . this pale blue dot is in an immense dark space void and imo will be extinguished soon in the galactic time scale. Even voyager going 10 miles per second would take 70,000 years to get to the nearest star . but this gives a better understanding:

Not all the people who suffer want to die. Is it compassionate to exterminate them against their will to end their suffering?

Thats the nature of life in the world. Is it compassionate and fair to bring about the end of humanity to end suffering for those who suffer? Couldnt be there a more compassionate solution?

But it is still self-centered and myopic because you are only holding this view based on your own experience as a sufferer. You wouldnt think the same way if were an enjoyer. And yes i would say the same thing to an abuse survivor if they too advocated ending humanity because it would be the compassionate thing to do.

You are saying anyone who doesn't advocate for ending humanity proactively as the only compassionate solution to end suffering, is culpable of all the suffering exists

You think i want my enemies to die? no i want them to keep on stupidly wanting to live and suffering the worst hell which is the nightmare of being old.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Who said anything about exterminating anyone? If people want to live then they're welcome to do so for all I care, as long as they don't create new people. All I said was that I think life as a whole is a bad thing and thus I hope that it stops existing as soon as possible. It's nonsensical and cruel to think that it's a bad thing and still hope that it goes on forever. And it's also cruel to think that it's a good thing overall, considering its costs and inherent unfairness. And it *is* gonna end one day, you realize that, right? Whatever misery accompanies its ending is unavoidable. So the only reasonable and compassionate conclusion is just to hope that it ends sooner rather than later.

The natural progression for for ideas in favour of ending the human race, is to advocate for genocides and mass extermination because they are the most effective. I am only arguing your idea because I dont think it is well thought and potentially dangerous

I'm quite comfortable telling an enjoyer that their happiness doesn't make up for others' misery.

You will sound very silly if you told a random enjoyer that his happiness is at the expense of your misery and he doesnt even know you but somehow that gives you every right to let them know how you feel. Who is repugnant now?

You have to be comfortable telling the sufferer that they need to suck it up and stop being a self-centered baby and that their suffering is okay because there's other people that do enjoy their lives. Which you probably are comfortable doing, but to me that seems repugnant.

I would never undermine a sufferer's pain and tell them it is okay that they suffer and to suck it up while other people enjoy their lives because one has nothing to do with the other. Suffering is a sacred burden and I honour that

The comment about abuse survivors was supposed to be a comparison to their anger at the abuser. I hope you wouldn't tell them they were being self-centered and myopic if they hated their abuser and wished that they didn't exist. That's what life is too, a shitty abuser that everyone keeps making absurd excuses for. And it deserves the same contempt too.

You yourself admitted that your views are self centred. But anyway your comparison doesnt stand because life isnt just your abuser. It has other functions that it serves and it is much bigger than to be someone's abuser

Like that other dunce, you know nothing about me. Ironically the only reason why you're so confident about saying this is that your ability to empathize with a position that's not your own is so severely limited.

I am also suffering tremendously but I dont believe that I am entitled to blame someone else's happiness for it because it just isnt.

 

[sully]

i don't think humans will ever be able to go to another star system. Just the next nearest star after the sun is 25 trillion miles away which is an unimaginably long distance . this pale blue dot is in an immense dark space void and imo will be extinguished soon in the galactic time scale. Even voyager going 10 miles per second would take 70,000 years to get to the nearest star . but this gives a better understanding:

Yep and we need to sum up the speed of the Universe itself which is expanding, basically everything that used to be close and together are drifting apart and quite quickly. So, this level of speed is unachievable… also even if the humanity achieves the speed of light or even exceeds it there's a total mess with time, it's gonna go backwards or some shit? So then what? It's all very interesting but we are not ready for this, humanity is too slow to survive in this Universe.

 

[deflationary]

You yourself admitted that your views are self centred. But anyway your comparison doesnt stand because life isnt just your abuser. It has other functions that it serves and it is much bigger than to be someone's abuser

Kinda like an abuser then? No abuser is just an abuser, they're also a parent or a partner or whatever. The point is that the good doesn't make up for the bad in either case. And I didn't admit I was any more self-centered than anyone else. Probably a bit less than the average person. Which still means pretty self-centered of course. That's just the reality of people. But that gives you no leg to stand on to blame me as being *especially* self-centered.

The natural progression for for ideas in favour of ending the human race, is to advocate for genocides and mass extermination because they are the most effective. I am only arguing your idea because I dont think it is well thought and potentially dangerous

They don't seem effective at all. The only thing you could achieve through them is the affliction of even more suffering, yet humanity would survive. How do you propose someone went about trying to exterminate the whole human race? At our current level of technology at least it can't be done. If hypothetically it's ever possible in the future with minimal suffering, then it would indeed be the lesser evil as far as I'm concerned. Like I said, an ending is guaranteed already. The question is only about when and how. It would be nice if we collectively decided to go extinct but that doesn't seem very likely. However it happens, I'm hoping for it to happen sooner rather than later.

I would never undermine a sufferer's pain and tell them it is okay that they suffer and to suck it up while other people enjoy their lives because one has nothing to do with the other.

It's the only logical conclusion of not opposing life. If life is okay because of the happy people then the miserable ones are the acceptable collateral damage. At least be honest with them and tell them that.

You will sound very silly if you told a random enjoyer that his happiness is at the expense of your misery and he doesnt even know you but somehow that gives you every right to let them know how you feel. Who is repugnant now?

Not me. There was context to this. A whole argument that explained where I'm coming from. In that context it wouldn't be silly or repugnant at all. What's repugnant about saying "hey that's great that you're happy and all but your happiness doesn't justify the misery of anyone else"? It's the least repugnant thing ever. Creating life is playing lottery with someone else's life. That's repugnant. Not doing it isn't. Advocating for not doing it isn't either.

I am also suffering tremendously but I dont believe that I am entitled to blame someone else's happiness for it because it just isnt.

I don't blame their happiness so much as I blame the world that makes it possible for happiness to only exist at the expense of the misery of others. That's not a world I'm willing to support or make excuses for. It's not like I'm passionately wishing for its end out of the sheer goodness of my heart 24/7 or anything, I just recognize that it's a bad and ugly system. From there it's easy to conclude that it would be better if this system wasn't there anymore. And eventually it won't be. I hope that happens soon and as painlessly as possible.