Discussion How exactly does it feel to pass out from sn?

[HopefulSleep]

I did some research on how sn feels but no one mentions how exactly the passing out feels.
Are you just away from one second to the other or does it feel like sleeping?

 

[OceanBlue]

As I understood you can expect to suddenly faint, then you lose consciousness.

 

[HopefulSleep]

As I understood you can expect to suddenly faint, then you lose consciousness.

So from one second to the other you don't exist in your pov?

 

[Dawns]

i would imagine from what i heard you probably get really dizzy or nauseous after taking the SN then i would assume you pass out

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

3mins	dizzy
5mins	very drowsy, responsive
12mins	unconscious
15mins	deep sleep / unrousable
25mins	increasing cyanosis
30mins	irregular shallow breathing
40mins	death

source

 

[HopefulSleep]

3mins	dizzy
5mins	very drowsy, responsive
12mins	unconscious
15mins	deep sleep / unrousable
25mins	increasing cyanosis
30mins	irregular shallow breathing
40mins	death

source

Do the effects from minute 3 and minute 5 feel similar to being drunk?
How does unconscious from minute 12 differ from the deep sleep from minute 15?
How loud is the breathing from minute 30?
Why does it list death for minute 40 when you can survive up to 4 hours?

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

Do the effects from minute 3 and minute 5 feel similar to being drunk?
How does unconscious from minute 12 differ from the deep sleep from minute 15?
How loud is the breathing from minute 30?
Why does it list death for minute 40 when you can survive up to 4 hours?

The minutes 3 and 5 may change depending on what drugs you use in combination for example: meto can lessen nausea and dizziness.

I believe the difference between unconsciousness is that the person is sedated and can be woken when 15 minutes in the person cannot.

I would assume quiet as it is described as shallow.

Since the data is taken from PPH I would assume there was sufficient preparations to ensure a quick death. I would assume that the reports of 4 hours had complications or the attempt was under prepared.

 

[HopefulSleep]

The minutes 3 and 5 may change depending on what drugs you use in combination for example: meto can lessen nausea and dizziness.

I will use the max possible meto dose.

I would assume quiet as it is described as shallow.

That is important, I plan to use the sn at home when my mother goes to work and my sister is sleeping.

Since the data is taken from PPH I would assume there was sufficient preparations to ensure a quick death. I would assume that the reports of 4 hours had complications or the attempt was under prepared.

So if I will follow the regimen I should die this fast?
What decides how long it takes?

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

I will use the max possible meto dose.

That is important, I plan to use the sn at home when my mother goes to work and my sister is sleeping.

So if I will follow the regimen I should die this fast?
What decides how long it takes?

I assume it would be factored on;
- your weight (from memory it is 71ml/kg for LD50)
- vomiting

Stomach pH levels may play a factor but antacids are now considered unnecessary so I don't think you'll have any problems with it.

PPH suggests 25 grams of SN if you're <100kg and 35 grams if you're >100kg. It would be hard to find data as I believe most LD50s aren't with any combination of drug and I assume the data taken for PPH would of been combined with meto and fasting to increase the potency and effectiveness.

I d recommend looking at some successful attempts here, I think there's a few thread compiling them.

 

[HopefulSleep]

your weight

I weight circa 90kg.

vomiting

I will dose meto properly but I can still vomit then.
If taking a second glass after vomiting it will still succeed, right?

Stomach pH levels may play a factor but antacids are now considered unnecessary

Why are they considered unnecessary now?
I think they are easy to get so why not?

fasting to increase the potency and effectiveness.

Some people said fasting more than 8 hours doesn't increase the effectiveness of sn, is that so?

I d recommend looking at some successful attempts here, I think there's a few thread compiling them.

Dumb question but how would you know if they are successful?
If they disabled their account before ctb they can neither tell if they were successful or not.

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

I weight circa 90kg.

I will dose meto properly but I can still vomit then.
If taking a second glass after vomiting it will still succeed, right?

Why are they considered unnecessary now?
I think they are easy to get so why not?

Some people said fasting more than 8 hours doesn't increase the effectiveness of sn, is that so?

Dumb question but how would you know if they are successful?
If they disabled their account before ctb they can neither tell if they were successful or not.

You'll probably want to up the dosage to 35 grams then. If you vomit preparing a second glass should be sufficient.

I'm not actually sure why they're considered unneeded now but I think it's due to using better anti-emetics such as meto (I'm not entirely sure).

From a quick search fasting for a few hours should suffice although you should do your own research since I'm not well educated on fasting.

 

[jonghyun]

there are some ctbs which were confirmed like the moonie one. Generally what ive seen is people tend to go overkill to ensure success
Or look at Stan's method it is widely shared and reputable

 

[HopefulSleep]

You'll probably want to up the dosage to 35 grams then.

I don't really understand the sn dose, the pph states that I should only use 25 grams if I am above 100kg, but this chart states that I even need less than 25g but then in this post one person commented that I should multiple the LD50 with 2 and then with my weight with that I would need 32,4g, which calculation did you use to determine that I need 35g?

But if I would use 35g how many ml water?
Is it always the double amount of sn?

If you vomit preparing a second glass should be sufficient.

What if I vomit the second glass out too?
Also I don't know how I should make the vomiting as quiet as possible.


I still don't understand how people differ in times so much and I don't know if it will only take 40 minutes for me if done right.

there are some ctbs which were confirmed like the moonie one.

How was it confirmed?

Generally what ive seen is people tend to go overkill to ensure success

Wouldn't that increase vomiting and can therefore fail?

Or look at Stan's method it is widely shared and reputable

I already read that.

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

Research on how to properly CTB isn't too common nor would be up to a high standard so differences in research will of course vary. I got the 35g value from PPH. If you vomit the second glass I'd suggest abandoning the attempt by trying to induce vomiting, I think touching the back of your throat can help induce it if my memory is correct.

Going overkill should increase odds of success as I haven't read anything to suggest otherwise.

 

[HopefulSleep]

I got the 35g value from PPH.

But in your other commented you meant that I only should do 35g if I weight above 100kg?

If you vomit the second glass I'd suggest abandoning the attempt

Why not prepare a third glass?

by trying to induce vomiting

Never got that to work, feels disgusting to me.

Going overkill should increase odds of success as I haven't read anything to suggest otherwise.

But wouldn't that increase the risk of vomiting and unpleasent side effects?

 

[befree]

I know of two cases where there was a long, painful death struggle even though both followed the guide exactly. One of them was a friend.
Therefore, I do not consider SN a painless method. I have 500 g of SN , but will throw it in the garbage.

 

[HopefulSleep]

I know of two cases where there was a long, painful death struggle even though both followed the guide exactly. One of them was a friend.
Therefore, I do not consider SN a painless method. I have 500 g of SN , but will throw it in the garbage.

Sorry for the dumb question but how would you know how painful a death is when the person is dead and therefore you can't ask them?

 

[befree]

Eyewitness via live video.

 

[Kittzuni]

@HopefulSleep About the grams, it depends. There are different variations out there because everyone is different. Male and female bodies digest stuff slightly different. Generally everyone has a unique genetic makeup that affects how much they would technically need. The problem with taking too much is that you might not be able to keep it down. If you vomit too much your death will before painful as it will be slower. Technically speaking, people have died from as little as 2-3 grams before, while some people claim to have taken 15 grams (not vomited) and lived.

If you look at the data most unsuccessful attempts were caused by either lack of preparation (no meto, having a bad reaction to meto, taking too little sn) or being found (within those 4 hours). That does not however say anything about how the other people died it just means they died. That's why the time can range from 40 minutes to 4 hours.

The fasting also depends on your body. My metabolism is really slow so I aim to fast a little longer than the recommended 8 hours just in case.

Goal is to loose consciousness before you die, so you don't feel as much. You can try to achieve that by staying calm and in your bed after ingestion and staying awake as long as possible and/or taking enough benzos before ingestion.

For me personally, benzos probably won't do as much as they might do for you as I have really bad anxiety and just calming me down from a bad panic attack takes at least 4mg aplrazolam. It won't knock me out though. I've never ingested any thing, be it sleeping pills, medication or drugs that instantly knock me out. Stuff has made me a little sleepy, yes but that's about it (unless I take a ridiculous amount).

You know your body best, you know your general tolerances. If you often need a lot of a specific substance to get high, take more SN. If you tend to get nauseous quicky, I'd suggest taking a little less to reduce the risk of vomiting.

The most important thing is so stay calm. Anxiety can feel like a painful death by itself sometimes. The issue with SN is that you can feel your body shutting down before you pass out, your breathing will become heavier and your heart will beat faster. If that causes you anxiety you are going to have a hard time but you could say the same about any method, besides maybe N.

I know of two cases where there was a long, painful death struggle

You're ingesting a shit ton of poison, of course it's not gonna be entirely painless.

 

[HopefulSleep]

Eyewitness via live video.

How much sn did they take?

If you vomit too much your death will before painful as it will be slower.

What if I have a second glass prepared?

Technically speaking, people have died from as little as 2-3 grams before, while some people claim to have taken 15 grams (not vomited) and lived.

What is the max dose that people survived from?

having a bad reaction to meto

What bad reaction could happen?

being found (within those 4 hours).

I am ok with 4 hours as long as it isn't loud.

My metabolism is really slow

How can I find out how fast my metabolism is?

Goal is to loose consciousness before you die

I have the idea of taking bdo before that in an extreme dose rectally to completely knock me out but I don't know about the side effects, it is much stronger sedative than benzos I would like to know why this isn't used instead of benzos for sn?

You can try to achieve that by staying calm and in your bed after ingestion and staying awake as long as possible and/or taking enough benzos before ingestion.

My current plan is to stay awake for 2 days before taking the sn so it maybe feels like eternal sleep.

For me personally, benzos probably won't do as much as they might do for you as I have really bad anxiety and just calming me down from a bad panic attack takes at least 4mg aplrazolam.

I don't feel fear on 4mg xanax, I could just accept death on that dose.

If you often need a lot of a specific substance to get high, take more SN.

Poison and drugs are a different thing, what does the sn dose have to do with my natural drug tolerance or am I missing something?

If you tend to get nauseous quicky, I'd suggest taking a little less to reduce the risk of vomiting.

I never vomited or felt nauseous from any drug except from a past overdose attempt, back then my breathing was just heavily.

The most important thing is so stay calm.

I thought about thinking of traumatic things to lower my si but don't know if this is a good idea or will make me panic, I just want to remind my body that death is the only way to escape the pain.

The issue with SN is that you can feel your body shutting down before you pass out, your breathing will become heavier

That is why I think bdo could be a good idea but not much info about that in combination with sn for whatever reason.
Will the heavier breathing feel like suffocating?

and your heart will beat faster.

Is there any easy way to get beta blockers?

 

[befree]

How much sn did they take?

According to Stan´s guide + all additional drugs according Stan´s guide.
In respect to the person I will not write further details about his death struggle.

 

[HopefulSleep]

According to Stan´s guide + all additional drugs according Stan´s guide.

Did they vomit?
If they vomited did they take a second glass?
I am trying to figure out why it was painful.

 

[Bobert_Beniro]

Did they vomit?
If they vomited did they take a second glass?
I am trying to figure out why it was painful.

they could drink nitrate instead of nitrite. Death from nitrate is really painful. There are many cases when death from nitrite was peaceful, which Philip Nitschke confirms in 20 cases, some with video recording, I don't think that a person who would lie for the right to a peaceful death

 

[freelifexit]

Here you can find description of painful cases and here peaceful and discomforting cases and symptoms.

 

[HopefulSleep]

Here you can find description of painful cases and here peaceful and discomforting cases and symptoms.

From all sn reports that exist how many percent are peaceful, how many percent are painful and how many percent are uncomfortable?

 

[freelifexit]

From all sn reports that exist how many percent are peaceful, how many percent are painful and how many percent are uncomfortable?

We don't know about all cases, so in reality percentage can be different.

 

[HopefulSleep]

I didn't see all reports that exist, but according to what I read my assumption is 25% painful, 25% peaceful and 50% uncomfortable. We don't know about all cases, so in reality percentage can be different.

On what does it depend if it is peaceful, uncomfortable or painful?
Is it "luck" based or has much to do with doing the regime properly?
And also how should we really know how it feels for most people if most probably didn't survive and therefore can't be asked?

 

[freelifexit]

On what does it depend if it is peaceful, uncomfortable or painful?
Is it "luck" based or has much to do with doing the regime properly?

I think it depends on your body reaction, in my opinion regime doesn't matter. I know at least one case when person followed regime but it was painful.

And also how should we really know how it feels for most people if most probably didn't survive and therefore can't be asked?

That's why most of the documented cases are failed cases, and several successful cases.

 

[befree]

Every person is an individual and reacts differently.

 

[HopefulSleep]

I think it depends on your body reaction, in my opinion regime doesn't matter. I know at least one case when person followed regime but it was painful.

I will just hope for the best.
Why isn't it common to use bdo instead of benzos to completely numb you?

That's why most of the documented cases are failed cases, and several successful cases.

Most are failed cause of vomiting (not having a second glass or not using meto) or being found, right?
How were they found most of the time?