How effective is SN?

[DesperateOne]

If I take SN (following Stans guide), whats the likelihood that its actually going to kill me? SN drops your oxygen levels to the point where your brain dies off. What are the chances of your body recovering and one getting brain damage due to the time spent with very low O2 levels?

My initial method was hanging. I've learned the knots and found my spot, but I'm pivoting towards SN since it seems way less painful. The problem is that hanging has pretty much 100% chance of killing you unless you mess up the knots/ligature, but with SN if your body flushes out the toxins fast enough, you could end up with permanent brain damage, no?

 

[penguinl0v3s]

That's not how SN works, your body doesn't "flush it out." SN goes to the bloodstream and ruins hemoglobin into methemoglobin through the conversion of Fe2 to Fe3. Which makes the body unable to transport oxygen and then kills you via cerebral hypoxia. Your liver doesn't metastasize it.

"Maintenance of methemoglobin levels is usually below 1% through the action of the enzyme cytochrome-b5 reductase. Cytochrome-b5 reductase utilizes NADH formed during glycolysis to reduce methemoglobin back to functional hemoglobin." --PubMed

When you take SN, your MetHb % can go into the 90%s. Your body isn't able to handle it naturally even at low doses unless you throw it up (biggest risk of failure).

There's stats on SN and it's 70-85% on site, but that's with human error into account.

If you don't faint from SN you can call the ambulance and have little to no side effects afterwards. People choose SN also because it's uncommon to get permanent damage from it.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

If you follow the guide your chances are almost 100% to be successful.

BUT: In the case of vomiting (too early), not being able to drink the backup glass, being found too early, there's a a chance to fail the attempt with organ damage. The earlier you receive medical assistance in the case of failure the better it is.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

When you take SN, your MetHb % can go into the 90%s. Your body isn't able to handle it naturally even at low doses unless you throw it up (biggest risk of failure).

In most cases, it doesn't even need to reach 90%, even levels above 60% can be fatal.

There's stats on SN and it's 70-85% on site, but that's with human error into account.

Stats in terms of failure or success? Just want to clarify here.

but with SN if your body flushes out the toxins fast enough, you could end up with permanent brain damage, no?

Now where did you come to this conclusion?

 

[DesperateOne]

That's not how SN works, your body doesn't "flush it out." SN goes to the bloodstream and ruins hemoglobin into methemoglobin through the conversion of Fe2 to Fe3. Which makes the body unable to transport oxygen and then kills you via cerebral hypoxia. Your liver doesn't metastasize it.

"Maintenance of methemoglobin levels is usually below 1% through the action of the enzyme cytochrome-b5 reductase. Cytochrome-b5 reductase utilizes NADH formed during glycolysis to reduce methemoglobin back to functional hemoglobin." --PubMed

When you take SN, your MetHb % can go into the 90%s. Your body isn't able to handle it naturally even at low doses unless you throw it up (biggest risk of failure).

There's stats on SN and it's 70-85% on site, but that's with human error into account.

If you don't faint from SN you can call the ambulance and have little to no side effects afterwards. People choose SN also because it's uncommon to get permanent damage from it.

Thank you! What if I ingest SN, end up passing out and then the body vomits it out? What happens then? Will I wake up with brain damage?

Also, another question. The med guy who experimented with SN by taking 2g said that there is no need in taking 20g since that that is way too much to kill a person and increases risk of failure. He said that even 2g almost knocked him out, so 10g is more than enough...

Apologies for such a barrage of questions btw, I just want to get my brain clear from all the doubts and you seem like super knowledgeable on the topic!

 

[penguinl0v3s]

Stats in terms of failure or success? Just want to clarify here.

Success

Thank you! What if I ingest SN, end up passing out and then the body vomits it out? What happens then? Will I wake up with brain damage?

Also, another question. The med guy who experimented with SN by taking 2g said that there is no need in taking 20g since that that is way too much to kill a person and increases risk of failure. He said that even 2g almost knocked him out, so 10g is more than enough...

Apologies for such a barrage of questions btw, I just want to get my brain clear from all the doubts and you seem like super knowledgeable on the topic!

Possibly because any method that induces cerebral hypoxia has that risk. You probably would die anyways though. If left alone the entire duration, your body isn't capable of converting all that methemoglobin back to hemoglobin. People who attempt just have to accept that there's a risk of permanent damage in any method and choose the one that has the least risky chances.

Dose depends from person to person, recommendation is typically 15g iirc. Someone posted a thread challenging the dose recommendation that got a lot of replies at some point.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I wonder if I were to drink sn standing in a rope noose around my neck. After I pass out then partial hanging would kill me right? My knees would bend lose strength to stand as I pass out so my weight would be supported by the neck

Then the method would be partial. With using SN just to pass out? One of them should kill me if not found

I saw an image on Herman the shocker where someone shot themselves with a gun in the head double method like that hanging also and died.

 

[DesperateOne]

Success

Possibly because any method that induces cerebral hypoxia has that risk. You probably would die anyways though. If left alone the entire duration, your body isn't capable of converting all that methemoglobin back to hemoglobin. People who attempt just have to accept that there's a risk of permanent damage in any method and choose the one that has the least risky chances.

Dose depends from person to person, recommendation is typically 15g iirc. Someone posted a thread challenging the dose recommendation that got a lot of replies at some point.

Fuck so there is a chance of ending up with perma brain damage... I guess I'm going back to hanging then, its the only method with the highest chance of nothing going wrong. Why is dying so hard? Why can't we just get pills that peacefully knock us out for good :(

I wonder if I were to drink sn standing in a rope noose around my neck. After I pass out then partial hanging would kill me right? My knees would bend lose strength to stand as I pass out so my weight would be supported by the neck

Then the method would be partial. With using SN just to pass out? One of them should kill me if not found

I saw an image on Herman the shocker where someone shot themselves with a gun in the head double method like that hanging also and died.

That is actually really smart... This suddenly turns hanging into a peaceful and pretty much 100% method. The only thing is that you would have to die outside in the cold somewhere. With just SN you can book a hotel and lay on the bed comfortably.

 

[Ads]

If I take SN (following Stans guide), whats the likelihood that its actually going to kill me? SN drops your oxygen levels to the point where your brain dies off. What are the chances of your body recovering and one getting brain damage due to the time spent with very low O2 levels?

My initial method was hanging. I've learned the knots and found my spot, but I'm pivoting towards SN since it seems way less painful. The problem is that hanging has pretty much 100% chance of killing you unless you mess up the knots/ligature, but with SN if your body flushes out the toxins fast enough, you could end up with permanent brain damage, no?

Can you please let me know where you learn the knots for hanging? Can you please share?

Thank you! What if I ingest SN, end up passing out and then the body vomits it out? What happens then? Will I wake up with brain damage?

Also, another question. The med guy who experimented with SN by taking 2g said that there is no need in taking 20g since that that is way too much to kill a person and increases risk of failure. He said that even 2g almost knocked him out, so 10g is more than enough...

Apologies for such a barrage of questions btw, I just want to get my brain clear from all the doubts and you seem like super knowledgeable on the topic!

I would also like to know about dose of SN that is how much dose is sufficient.Stan's guide suggests taking 25 gram with 50 ml of water.

 

[DesperateOne]

Can you please let me know where you learn the knots for hanging? Can you please share?

I would also like to know about dose of SN that is how much dose is sufficient. Stan's guide suggests taking 25 gram with 50 ml of water.

Sorry, I can't do that. I'm not giving advice or tips on anything CTB related since I don't feel comfortable having another person on my conscience. I may be a soulless human being without emotions, but I know that deep down I wont feel okay with that. All I can say is that there are plenty of threads and resources on this site.

@penguinl0v3s or @Goku Black do you know if alcohol reduces the chance of a successful SN CTB? I'm planning to drink a whole bottle of wine before taking SN. Alcohol helps me deal with SI a lot!

 

[Abyssal]

Wanted to make a princess bride reference to being half dead but I feel like people would just assume I meant vegetable :/

 

[ScubaCTB]

People tend to equate SN with N. Not the same at all. The autopsy photos from SN CTBs are very disturbing. Plus it can takean hour or more for you to actually die. I may use SN as a supplemental method to SCUBA/nitrogen just to make sure. But I personally would not do the SN method by itself. It looks very 'not peaceful'. People's insides look rotted at autopsy.

 

[DesperateOne]

People tend to equate SN with N. Not the same at all. The autopsy photos from SN CTBs are very disturbing. Plus it can takean hour or more for you to actually die. I may use SN as a supplemental method to SCUBA/nitrogen just to make sure. But I personally would not do the SN method by itself. It looks very 'not peaceful'. People's insides look rotted at autopsy.

I mean as long as the death is certain I don't really mind how I look like afterwards...

 

[ThymeToLeave]

Sorry, I can't do that. I'm not giving advice or tips on anything CTB related since I don't feel comfortable having another person on my conscience. I may be a soulless human being without emotions, but I know that deep down I wont feel okay with that. All I can say is that there are plenty of threads and resources on this site.

@penguinl0v3s or @Goku Black do you know if alcohol reduces the chance of a successful SN CTB? I'm planning to drink a whole bottle of wine before taking SN. Alcohol helps me deal with SI a lot!

Alcohol irritates the stomach lining and adds a toxin to your body which makes it more likely that you will vomit.

 

[ScubaCTB]

I mean as long as the death is certain I don't really mind how I look like afterwards...

100% agree. I just don't think SN is as peaceful as many people seem to believe. If your insides look like that hours after death, then you were in a lot of pain right before dying. SN was my method. And it's a good method for anyone with no other options. I just don't like the idea of potentially suffering for more than an hour.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

People tend to equate SN with N. Not the same at all. The autopsy photos from SN CTBs are very disturbing. Plus it can takean hour or more for you to actually die. I may use SN as a supplemental method to SCUBA/nitrogen just to make sure. But I personally would not do the SN method by itself. It looks very 'not peaceful'. People's insides look rotted at autopsy.

Personally I've never seen people equate sn to n in terms how it works, rather comparable to the accessibility N once had. Also, death isn't gonna look pretty by any stretch so those autopsy pics really don't disturb as much as I've seen more than enough gore than I should've.

I just don't think SN is as peaceful as many people seem to believe. If your insides look like that hours after death, then you were in a lot of pain right before dying.

again, I don't know where this whole "peaceful" narrative comes from but sn is relatively peaceful from what we've seen presented on this forum over the years. I've always cautioned against expectations with this method, they vary according to how the protocol is followed. Also, we can't make generalizations based on pics from autopsies either, some people have come back and reported their experience wasn't as bad as they thought and went on to try a 2nd time. Not saying it isn't with risk of discomfort.

 

[DesperateOne]

100% agree. I just don't think SN is as peaceful as many people seem to believe. If your insides look like that hours after death, then you were in a lot of pain right before dying. SN was my method. And it's a good method for anyone with no other options. I just don't like the idea of potentially suffering for more than an hour.

From what I've seen on this forum, unconsciousness occurs within 10 minutes, during that time you experience light headedness, headaches and a fast heartbeat. Once you are knocked out you are gone for good.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

From what I've seen on this forum, unconsciousness occurs within 10 minutes, during that time you experience light headedness, headaches and a fast heartbeat. Once you are knocked out you are gone for good.

That really depends on several factors, having seen users experience symptoms in line with what's expected with outliers having slightly different symptoms. Going unconscious within that time frame without having vomited or even vomiting a little may still be fatal. Either way @ScubaCTB I don't think you need to supplement SN with Nitrogen/SCUBA, one of those on their own should be enough because one may disrupt the other.

 

[DreamEnd]

People tend to equate SN with N. Not the same at all. The autopsy photos from SN CTBs are very disturbing. Plus it can takean hour or more for you to actually die. I may use SN as a supplemental method to SCUBA/nitrogen just to make sure. But I personally would not do the SN method by itself. It looks very 'not peaceful'. People's insides look rotted at autopsy.

Don't mix sn and scuba. Ur gonna take sn. Put the scuba hood on then throw up and ruin the scuba

 

[Aim]

If you follow the protocol, are not found and are able to reach the secong glass if you vomit, then its almost 100 prosent lethal. Where did you read that people were in pain, if i may ask?

its seems like some people experienced discomfort, but i dont think i have read that many was in alot pain. Maybe more psyclogical pain, but that i would assume is more related to si and discomfort.

 

[DreamEnd]

If you follow the protocol, are not found and are able to reach the secong glass if you vomit, then its almost 100 prosent lethal. Where did you read that people were in pain, if i may ask?

its seems like some people experienced discomfort, but i dont think i have read that many was in alot pain. Maybe more psyclogical pain, but that i would assume is more related to si and discomfort.

Post in thread 'So, SN isn't painless'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/so-sn-isnt-painless.104724/post-1797786

I hate the guy who posted that but if you want to see some of the worst cases click that link

 

[Aim]

Post in thread 'So, SN isn't painless'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/so-sn-isnt-painless.104724/post-1797786

I hate the guy who posted that but if you want to see some of the worst cases click that link

thank you. Oh well. Like everything else, i guess its a chance to be taken then.

 

[dreamingofrest]

If you follow the protocol, are not found and are able to reach the secong glass if you vomit, then its almost 100 prosent lethal. Where did you read that people were in pain, if i may ask?

its seems like some people experienced discomfort, but i dont think i have read that many was in alot pain. Maybe more psyclogical pain, but that i would assume is more related to si and discomfort.

Anyone in this thread have any research on how long it takes until death, and therefore how long you don't want to be found for? I've heard between 40 mins to 4 hours.

 

[DreamEnd]

Anyone in this thread have any research on how long it takes until death, and therefore how long you don't want to be found for? I've heard between 40 mins to 4 hours.

It depends. It's about that range yeah

 

[Aim]

Anyone in this thread have any research on how long it takes until death, and therefore how long you don't want to be found for? I've heard between 40 mins to 4 hours.

I'm not sure, but some people have reported and stoped answering threads just minutes after taking the sn. Probably due to being knocked out. Others maybe longer. Not completely sure how long it takes before death hits.

 

[penguinl0v3s]

Fuck so there is a chance of ending up with perma brain damage... I guess I'm going back to hanging then, it's the only method with the highest chance of nothing going wrong. Why is dying so hard? Why can't we just get pills that peacefully knock us out for good :(

I think SN is actually safer from side effects than hanging. But someone correct me if I'm wrong. And hanging is def not the method with the highest chance of nothing going wrong, nitrogen is. You can also get knocked unconscious during hanging and still wake up on the ground and survive fyi.

@penguinl0v3s or @Goku Black do you know if alcohol reduces the chance of a successful SN CTB? I'm planning to drink a whole bottle of wine before taking SN. Alcohol helps me deal with SI a lot!

The SN regimen is already perfected, adding alcohol would make you throw up. For SI, benzodiazepines are the optional supplementary.

Post in thread 'So, SN isn't painless'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/so-sn-isnt-painless.104724/post-1797786

I hate the guy who posted that but if you want to see some of the worst cases click that link

SN is only relatively peaceful and painless, nobody should expect it be completely discomfort free. SN is definitely uncomfortable, because O2 transport failure will speed up your heart and you will feel nauseous because you ingested something that you'd normally throw up, but don't because of meds that might not even be guaranteed to work despite careful dosing. And without supplementals, the racing heart def has a chance of triggering anxiety. Since it's starving your body of oxygen of course there's gonna be side effects, which is why you try to get knocked out as fast as possible. It's just considered relatively painless because you don't suffocate or feel like your body's on fire or have strong SI. (Most of the time.)

 

[DesperateOne]

I think SN is actually safer from side effects than hanging. But someone correct me if I'm wrong. And hanging is def not the method with the highest chance of nothing going wrong, nitrogen is. You can also get knocked unconscious during hanging and still wake up on the ground and survive fyi.

Sure, but I moreso meant that with hanging you have more agency. If you fail that's because you chose a bad ligature, picked a weak rope or tied the knots in a poor manner. However if everything is done correctly it's pretty much 100% lethal.

On the other hand with SN people don't have nearly enough agency. Sure, you can follow the protocol to a t, but at the end of the day once you drink it you are at the mercy of your body and how your body is going to react is vastly different from person to person. The chance of ending up with damage or failing is higher here.

 

[logi3535]

I'd seen from moonicide's thread that she took an extra day with her antiemetic, which you take for the intention of not throwing it up, which sounds a little safer and smarter to me, probably gonna do the same when i get all my stuff

 

[LastBitOfJoy]

No one is saying hanging is not lethal or effective. But I would personally choose SN over hanging every time. Here are my reasons :

1. First of all SN has a very high success rate (%82), it convinces me with this data alone. Hanging does have %70 success rate plus you need more preparation for it to really kill you.

2. Even if there is a discomfort with SN, it won't last much, like symptoms explained as heart rate increase and nausea. Hanging is a discomfort from the start to the end, it's not easy to press those carotid arteries.

3. Hanging also requires a great practice, you have to be lucky to succeed in the first try, you need to know where to put your neck exactly. And the acting of hanging yourself is much more stressful than drinking something.

4. The chances of ending up with damage is much much less in SN than hanging, SN alone can kill you even if you've been taken to the hospital, but a data shows people who experienced near-hanging who were treated appropriately at a hospital found that 77 percent of them survived.

Also this data :

People who survive either because the cord or its anchor point of attachment breaks, or because they are discovered and cut down, can face a range of serious injuries, including cerebral anoxia (which can lead to permanent brain damage), laryngeal fracture, cervical spine fracture, tracheal fracture, pharyngeal laceration, and carotid artery injury.

There is much less chance of SN causing permanent damage in any scenario. SN is not a one hundred percent peaceful death, but it seems much more convenient than hanging.

 

[DesperateOne]

No one is saying hanging is not lethal or effective. But I would personally choose SN over hanging every time. Here are my reasons :

1. First of all SN has a very high success rate (%82), it convinces me with this data alone. Hanging does have %70 success rate plus you need more preparation for it to really kill you.

2. Even if there is a discomfort with SN, it won't last much, like symptoms explained as heart rate increase and nausea. Hanging is a discomfort from the start to the end, it's not easy to press those carotid arteries.

3. Hanging also requires a great practice, you have to be lucky to succeed in the first try, you need to know where to put your neck exactly. And the acting of hanging yourself is much more stressful than drinking something.

4. The chances of ending up with damage is much much less in SN than hanging, SN alone can kill you even if you've been taken to the hospital, but a data shows people who experienced near-hanging who were treated appropriately at a hospital found that 77 percent of them survived.

Also this data :

People who survive either because the cord or its anchor point of attachment breaks, or because they are discovered and cut down, can face a range of serious injuries, including cerebral anoxia (which can lead to permanent brain damage), laryngeal fracture, cervical spine fracture, tracheal fracture, pharyngeal laceration, and carotid artery injury.

There is much less chance of SN causing permanent damage in any scenario. SN is not a one hundred percent peaceful death, but it seems much more convenient than hanging.

I heavily disagree. I understand that it's a lot more daunting/surreal setting everything up, but the survival rate is 0% (if done properly and not discovered).

For full hanging once you drop down there is no turning back. From what I've seen online full hanging knocks you out almost instantly. It takes only 11lbs of pressure to suppress carotid arteries, your body is 100x that if not more.

SN seems a lot more dynamic.