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noname223

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Not sure where I should post this thread. It could be suicide discussion, recovery or off-topic. If you want it to have in recovery the mods can probably do this. I don't care.
It is more or less a discussion about suicide that is why I finally posted it here. Someone told me every suicide related topic was already discussed in this forum. I tried to find something here it is.

Maybe you know someone close who has ctb. Or you can speak from your own experience when talking about these behaviors.

I think one myth is clearly busted. There is this stupid myth people who talk about it would not do it. The truth is: People who commit suicide really do often talk about it beforehand.
Openly talking about suicide can be one sign. When I was really severely suicidal I talked about it 24/7. But there are also people who keep quiet about it.

People tend to isolate themselves. Maybe they don't want to damage other people with their suicide. This is probably something I won't do. Oh I did that with some professionals but I could not leave my best friends.

There is one observation. I read about it. People who are really on the edge of suicide and who are convinced about it they sometimes feel relieved shortly before doing it.
It is said that the forth and back in their mind is then over. But it is obvious the back and forth before that final decision therefore is even more torturous and brutal because it is the final decision.
I also can relate only partly. This does not fully resemble my experience. When I did a little bit partial and stood at the top of a high building I just got even more depressed by it. I cried a lot and felt really desperate. Approaching suicide made me extremely depressed. It was a huge pain.

I read about something else. People give away their money or possessions. This is also something I only know only partly. When I was extremely depressed I sold A LOT of my possessions. Really much stuff. But I would never give it away without getting money for it. I try to avoid to make the situation even more hopeless.

Do you know more of those sings that someone is on the edge of ctb? Maybe you can speak about your own experience or as I said maybe you have lost someone to suicide?
 
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noname223

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Why do you wanna know
I don't know I was interested. But maybe this thread was no good idea. I compared myself to that. And it is not that accurate in my case.
 
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arnab

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Mar 9, 2022
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I don't know I was interested. But maybe this thread was no good idea.
Isolation. Changes in behaviour.

Someone might be more positive than before etc.
 
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Rational man

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Oct 19, 2021
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Not sure where I should post this thread. It could be suicide discussion, recovery or off-topic. If you want it to have in recovery the mods can probably do this. I don't care.
It is more or less a discussion about suicide that is why I finally posted it here. Someone told me every suicide related topic was already discussed in this forum. I tried to find something here it is.

Maybe you know someone close who has ctb. Or you can speak from your own experience when talking about those behaviors.

I think one myth is clearly busted. There is this stupid myth people who talk about it would not do it. The truth is: People who commit suicide really do often talk about it beforehand.
Openly talking about suicide can be one sign. When I was really severely suicidal I talked about it 24/7. But there are also people who keep quiet about it.

People tend to isolate themselves. Maybe they don't want to damage other people with their suicide. This is probably something I won't do. Oh I did that with some professionals but I could not leave my best friends.

There is one observation. I read about it. People who are really on the edge of suicide and who are convinced about it they sometimes feel relieved shortly before doing it.
It is said that the forth and back in their mind is then over. But it is obvious the back and forth before that final decision therefore is even more torturous and brutal because it is the final decision.
I also can relate only partly. This does not fully resemble my experience. When I did a little bit partial and stood at the top of a high building I just got even more depressed by it. I cried a lot and felt really desperate. Approaching suicide made me extremely depressed. It was a huge pain.

I read about something else. People give away their money or possessions. This is also something I only know only partly. When I was extremely depressed I sold A LOT of my possessions. Really much stuff. But I would never give it away without getting money for it. I try to avoid to make the situation even more hopeless.

Do you know more of those sings that someone is on the edge of ctb? Maybe you can speak about your own experience or as I said maybe you have lost someone to suicide?
You describe a friend of mine who cbt aged 21. He was such a handsome guy and always thought about life with independent thoughts. Creative and had an 'old head on young shoulders'. He became isolated but seemed content and happy. He gave his possessions away and then died. I miss his wise soul. He made this world so much brighter but i think he knew he was not for this world anymore.

Your post is great, very thoughtful words
 
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june

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I think most warning signs are only because of hindsight
 
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Sea Turtle

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Aug 12, 2020
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I feel like there's so much variation in how people act, and there's no real end all be all "signs". It's easy to look back after the fact, and think that certain actions or behaviors were signs, but in the moment, people act so differently. Some may talk about it, some may not, some may isolate or give away items, others may not. I do think the "relief" that some feel or express is coming from a place of truth, but again, I don't think everyone experiences it the same
 
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Forever Dead

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Mar 5, 2022
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I have been wanting to ctb for some time now. I have sold, or give away everything that I owned and am living a very minimalist lifestyle. I began to distance myself from my very small family some years ago, but that is because they are toxic. Knowing that they absolutely do not care about me is of great benefit, because then I can ctb without the guilt of knowing that I am going to cause great emotional turmoil for any of them. I am a loner, so have no friends, and have lived like a hermit for the past 7 years. Nothing in this life has ever really interested me and I never wanted to be here in this sick twisted world. I have realised that the decsion to ctb must be a logical one, and not an emotional one. The emotion is the enemy and has stopped me from ctb several times now. Stone cold logic is the key because emotions will invariably cause problems.Basically Im all set to do it, everything is in place now. When the time comes I will be good to go.
 
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Rational man

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Oct 19, 2021
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Ive lost touch with most of the people i knew apart from.the odd email, i prefer dying alone. Because my illness will kill me, the ctb option is less troubling for me. Its either a quick death and path to peace, or a long drawn out death process in the hands of the medics which is troubling to me. The choice for me is easy because i will DIE anyhows. Ive had time to put my affairs in order, have written extensive advanced directive and my WILL is legally written. My cat is will be cared for, along with an animal charity and a friend/ carer whos been the best buddy and carer will benefit when my property is sold. I feel.content knowing that others are going to be okay. I dont care about me, strangely said.
 
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Forever Dead

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Ive lost touch with most of the people i knew apart from.the odd email, i prefer dying alone. Because my illness will kill me, the ctb option is less troubling for me. Its either a quick death and path to peace, or a long drawn out death process in the hands of the medics which is troubling to me. The choice for me is easy because i will DIE anyhows. Ive had time to put my affairs in order, have written extensive advanced directive and my WILL is legally written. My cat is will be cared for, along with an animal charity and a friend/ carer whos been the best buddy and carer will benefit when my property is sold. I feel.content knowing that others are going to be okay. I dont care about me, strangely said.
Knowing that you are going to die anyway of old age, sickness, or a terrible accident is a great way to look at it. We are all on borrowed time and shall eventually shed this existence of suffering forever. I know what you mean about a long drawn out death while having to depend on others. To me that would be a living nightmare, so why prolong the agony ? Far better to die on your own terms and in peace, and as quickly as possible. I wish you well.
 
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watchingthewheels

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Jan 23, 2021
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I think one myth is clearly busted. There is this stupid myth people who talk about it would not do it. The truth is: People who commit suicide really do often talk about it beforehand.
Openly talking about suicide can be one sign. When I was really severely suicidal I talked about it 24/7. But there are also people who keep quiet about it.
That was my father. I was told that no one knew why he killed himself, that it was "out of the blue". But that was a lie. It turned out that not only was it NOT out of the blue, but that he talked about it days before. This was eventually admitted to me even by the people who originally lied and said it was out of the blue, but that he had told them, as well.
 
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Shu

As above, So Below.
Jan 21, 2022
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Isolation maybe
 
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Rational man

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Knowing that you are going to die anyway of old age, sickness, or a terrible accident is a great way to look at it. We are all on borrowed time and shall eventually shed this existence of suffering forever. I know what you mean about a long drawn out death while having to depend on others. To me that would be a living nightmare, so why prolong the agony ? Far better to die on your own terms and in peace, and as quickly as possible. I wish you well.
Thankyou and I wish you peace on your journey. I look foward to my peace of mind, free of pain on so many levels.
 
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tieiwi

Experienced
Dec 11, 2021
240
I don't talk much now. I don't put my input in anymore. If people ask for my opinion or a question I'll just reply with I don't know. I can't even properly laugh anymore. I have to verbally say "that's funny" and do a fake chuckle so I don't look weird. I don't make plans to go out with friends anymore. I don't know what to say when I'm with my friends nowadays. I don't text anyone or call anyone really. I have told my family that I want to commit suicide twice now but that was only during arguments not as a serious conversation. I make a lot of jokes about not caring about my personal well being. There was a moment where I was really close to committing suicide. I had bought some SN and even started writing down who I want my belongings to go to. During that moment I did feel calm. Like I wasn't worried anymore about stuff because I was going to die soon anyway.

In my opinion I changed a lot. But people around me don't care enough to notice and even when I point it out they don't remember. I was always depressed and somewhat suicidal but there was a time where I was nicer and could actually laugh.
 
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MyStateKilledMe

Arcanist
Apr 23, 2020
463
Classic pre-suicide behaviors consist of these, including but not limited to:
* Talking about the afterlife
* Loss of interest in one's health
* Giving away prized possessions
* Withdrawing from socializing
* Extreme listlessness
* Neglecting one's work and/or home
* Saying goodbye more strongly than normal
* Making amends for very mild transgressions

That was then, this is now.

Suicidal people today are smart: They KNOW what behaviors not to exhibit in order not to get taken to a mental ward. So if they're ACUALLY suicidal, they'll act as pro-life as possible, in order to fool the pro-lifers around them. Actions as described here are more of a cry for help, not a precursor to suicide; those people actually want to be stopped, albeit with their life changing for the better. An actually suicidal person could easily be someone you've danced with or bantered with at a party just days earlier. They don't do it because they want to; they do it because they HAVE TO, lest they be imprisoned in a mental ward.
 
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