Discussion How do homeless people resist CTB?

[AnonymousS]

I think when people don't have the basics for living, brain regresses to instinct thoughts only.

They won't have the energy to think about suicide or depressing thoughts, because it's too exhausting for the mind and their brain will be entirely focused on supplying "eat-water-shelter" programming

That must be exactly why I read several reports about people living in sub-human situations like wars or slavery praising life.

Yes i think that's right, i had already been severely depressed with ptsd too for many years. Some people will cling to life in appalling conditions.

Homeless doesn't automatically mean hopeless. I can't speak from my own experience as I'm not fully homeless, but I do live on the fringes. I'll take a few guesses :
1. Homelessness doesn't make everyone feel suicidal. Even when it causes depression, very frequently, that doesn't necessarily lead to full-blown suicidality.
2. There are degrees of homelessness, some more bearable than others.
3. Some people have supportive people still in their life who encourage them to hang on, or supportive social services.
3. Some people may want to CBT but not have the means available.
4. Some may want to CBT but don't want to leave behind family members or a beloved dog.
5. A minority actually choose to be homeless for varied reasons.
6. Most people hope not to be homeless forever. Many see it as temporary and some have active plans to get out of homelessness soon.

Very good points and i am very isolated, estranged from family which is a good thing as they are very toxic. I have one good friend who has been an absolute angel to me. Her heart is huge, she is miles away from me but i am incredibly lucky to have her.
She doesn't want me to end things but is very understanding of my pain.

 

[Bruces]

Maybe they don't know how to? Me, I'd personally kill myself before becoming homeless. Homelessness sounds worse than death.

Life is worth than death regardless

 

[irememberinnocence]

It's not a lack of methods. They have the most options. Everyday is a matter of staying alive.

their lives are simple. Not sad over Instagram likes and consumerism.

I've had a brush with homelessness and believe me, it is not simple. Nothing complicates life more than homelessness.

This isn't aimed at any one person, but I see replies on this thread from people who have no concept of what homelessness or being transient is actually like. There are still a lot of misconceptions out there. If anyone wants to theoretically discuss how homeless people feel and why they do or don't CBT, please educate yourself first. Visit r/homeless on Reddit, or go meet a homeless person irl. Excuse the bluntness, got nothing to lose at this point.

 

[thelastofit]

I've had a brush with homelessness and believe me, it is not simple. Nothing complicates life more than homelessness.

This isn't aimed at any one person, but I see replies on this thread from people who have no concept of what homelessness or being transient is actually like. There are still a lot of misconceptions out there. If anyone wants to theoretically discuss how homeless people feel and why they do or don't CBT, please educate yourself first. Visit r/homeless on Reddit, or go meet a homeless person irl. Excuse the bluntness, got nothing to lose at this point.

Can you summarise the Reddit thread? There's levels obviously - as with everything.

 

[irememberinnocence]

Can you summarise the Reddit thread? There's levels obviously - as with everything.

It's not a thread, it's a whole discussion forum for homeless people. I just feel that before discussing homeless people's state of mind, it's better to actually interact with them and learn about homelessness.

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

What motivates them to continue?

Primal self-preservation probably.

 

[odradek]

I look at places like Skid Row, and I can't imagine living in a tent and needing to beg for food as a full-time job. What motivates them to continue?

I theorize that maybe they enjoy the bustling city environment and feeling like they are a part of a group. Or maybe they have social connections there that they value enough to stay alive?

Has anyone here had a first-hand experience with homelessness, and why you didn't choose to CTB during that time? I feel like it would be easy to find a bridge or building to jump off of, even without a vehicle.

Homeless people are still people, it's not like their reasoning would be any different then someone with a home. How do any of us "resist" CTB? Consider the implications of that question...

 

[callme]

It's not a lack of methods. They have the most options. Everyday is a matter of staying alive.

their lives are simple. Not sad over Instagram likes and consumerism.

The most options? All I'd think of are the most painlful ones, self-immolation, jumping from a bridge, from a train, starvation and shallow water.
Castor bean trees and Rosary peas are rare to come by, make you throw up for 3 days straight and don't work either.
They don't have KCN, let alone N or N2 and I doubt they know SN. A dealer might be sympathetic to giving them a lethal drug/poison they'd otherwise not, but looks like a long shot.

I am sorry in case I misunderstood you, just interested in an explanation.

 

[Addi_Madd]

Everyone has different tolerance levels for suffering. Just because someone's homeless doesn't mean they want to be dead.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I still consider going homeless a form of CTB. Done correctly, the streets should have no problem finishing life off if you live in Chicago or Detroit skids. Have talked about it at length with therapist. Just drop phone, wallet, and keys in nearest trash can and wander forever in the urban decay. It's equivalent to drowning in the sea with an anchor to your body, no one will ever know what happened to you and live rest of life free from the past pain, do street drugs to numb the pain. Yeah, reading back at that I am very depressed still and really don't care anymore.

Unfortunately, it's not really as easy as that. You will find yourself hungry and cold and vulnerable to attack. But you will survive one way or another. Where I live in Southern California I take a close look at these homeless people and they're absolutely wretched conditions. Eating out of dumpsters. Missing teeth. Sleeping on cardboard boxes. But they are far from dead. They're just living in squalor. And unfortunately, you would too. CTB As we know is very difficult. Even trying very hard, we manage to survive.

 

[Someone123]

I was homeless and I did want to commit suicide, but I couldn't afford the means to do so.

I think that's the main thing, the lack of opportunity to do so. I suppose most could get enough money for a rope by begging, but where would they tie it? Maybe a tree, but where in a metro area could you find a tree suitable for this that you wouldn't be discovered for 20 - 30 minutes? That's almost impossible.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I think that's the main thing, the lack of opportunity to do so. I suppose most could get enough money for a rope by begging, but where would they tie it? Maybe a tree, but where in a metro area could you find a tree suitable for this that you wouldn't be discovered for 20 - 30 minutes? That's almost impossible.

If people in prison can do it… I'm sure a homeless person could find a way… even SN is relatively cheap …

 

[Someone123]

If people in prison can do it… I'm sure a homeless person could find a way… even SN is relatively cheap …

Prison sometimes may give more oppoortunities, where a person can be isolated in a cell for a while- still I would bet that most prisoners who want to do this are not able to.

 

[callme]

If people in prison can do it… I'm sure a homeless person could find a way… even SN is relatively cheap …

If you know where to get if from. The 2019 availability has been reduced ten times. I wish fertilizer and pesticides like Aluminium phosphine were widely available as they are for southeastern asian farmers, 80% or so of all ctb's there.

 

[Butterflyfree]

Unfortunately, it's not really as easy as that. You will find yourself hungry and cold and vulnerable to attack. But you will survive one way or another. Where I live in Southern California I take a close look at these homeless people and they're absolutely wretched conditions. Eating out of dumpsters. Missing teeth. Sleeping on cardboard boxes. But they are far from dead. They're just living in squalor. And unfortunately, you would too. CTB As we know is very difficult. Even trying very hard, we manage to survive.

@Glovkenspiel where In SC are you? LA?