Discussion How can someone ending their life be considered so bad by society?

[EricRoche]

It just baffles me how a fair amount of people view suicide as ''one of the worst things you can do''. Right, worse than criminal behavior. If aliens came to earth, they would be absolutely stunned by our hypocritical beliefs and behaviors.

I want someone to explain how we've come so far as humans only to be still shackled to emotional reasoning when it comes to contemplating life. Maybe us humans aren't that intelligent after all, if people don't kill themselves because of 'how it affects others' regardless of whether those peoples emotions are reasonable or not then it's almost certain that human life itself is not only hard but irrational as well.

 

[HangInThere]

In addition to this, how can a society that is supportive of abortion be so strongly against suicide?

 

[never getting better]

In addition to this, how can a society that is supportive of abortion be so strongly against suicide?

That's a very good point.

 

[Phantom]

In addition to this, how can a society that is supportive of abortion be so strongly against suicide?

1. Abortion usually has positive effects on society and the ones that stay alive
2. Fetus isn't usually regarded as a person

Sorry but I find this idea somewhat lazy and inaccurate. Suicide couldn't be further away from abortion.

 

[Temporarilyabsurd]

Suicide is perceived as a criticism of 'the system'.

If you are dieing for the system ( a soldier ) , you are a hero because you affirm society.

If you are dieing because the society is intolerable ... society is offended .

You have to fit in .
Society does not accommodate non conformist critics who see it as deficient.

( broad brush strokes ... )

 

[Caerula]

I think the privileged can't live a good life without those who labour. Therefore they intend to label suicide as "bad", so that they can minimize losses and maintain their lives.

This has been done for such a long time that most people don't think about the origin of the idea and just accept it as unquestionable truth..... Of course if life is good for them, they have little reason to wonder if death is as good as life.

 

[ImNotBatman]

Like the Joker said in The Dark Knight: "You know what I noticed? Nobody panics when things go 'according to plan.' Even if the plan is horrifying. If tomorrow I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot or a truckload of soldiers will be blowing up, nobody panics because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old mayor will die...well, then everyone loses their minds!"

Suicide is not a part of the plan. So people are against it.

 

[wanttodie]

It just baffles me how a fair amount of

I want someone to explain how we've come so far as humans only to be still shackled to emotional reasoning when it comes to contemplating life. Maybe us humans aren't that intelligent after all, if people don't kill themselves because of 'how it affects others' regardless of whether those peoples emotions are reasonable or not then it's almost certain that human life itself is not only hard but irrational as well.

yes me to way people view suicide as ''one of the worst things you can do

 

[HangInThere]

1. Abortion usually has positive effects on society and the ones that stay alive
2. Fetus isn't usually regarded as a person

Sorry but I find this idea somewhat lazy and inaccurate. Suicide couldn't be further away from abortion.

You bring up a good point but when I was comparing the two I was mostly thinking that if you support abortion you're okay with:

Taking a human life (no matter how you try to go around it, the fetus is a human life) which throws the muh life should always be preserved argument out the window

And

Putting your interests first even if it hurts others as long as it's what you want (which throws the but what about your family argument out the window)

 

[Caerula]

You bring up a good point but when I was comparing the two I was mostly thinking that if you support abortion you're okay with:

Taking a human life (no matter how you try to go around it, the fetus is a human life) which throws the muh life should always be preserved argument out the window

Putting your interests first even if it hurts others as long as it's what you want (which throws the but what about your family argument out the window)

Unfortunately I can't agree with you. This might not be the best example but if we are just waiting for a football game to start but it got canceled, we wouldn't say there was a football game would we?

Additionay, I think it is uncertain if fetuses can feel pain.

 

[Aity4883]

It depends.

• Some think that maybe the person could have been helped and their death could have been prevented and it is a tragic loss. Which is true in some cases.

• On the other hand, killing yourself for philosophical reasons such as hatred of the system and this world is like saying "Fuck you, life is not worth living!" Of course those that are alive won't accept suicide because of fear that the person that left this cursed world is actually right.

• Some are just plain stupid, ignorant and/or brainwashed.

Another thing is that your owners will and do everything they can to make you into an obedient slave scum piece of shit human. Waste your life at a job while believe the garbage that comes from their mouth and give them the power to be gods on earth. Of course they would set the system in such a way so that people don't off themselves. Who will work as a slave then? Who will be part of the human resources?

Fuck this evil world. I'm glad it will burn in hell one day along with humanity.(metaphor, meaning this world and humanity will be wiped out one day)

 

[Tiburcio]

Like the Joker said in The Dark Knight: "You know what I noticed? Nobody panics when things go 'according to plan.' Even if the plan is horrifying. If tomorrow I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot or a truckload of soldiers will be blowing up, nobody panics because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old mayor will die...well, then everyone loses their minds!"

Suicide is not a part of the plan. So people are against it.

Good quote!

 

[ImNotBatman]

Unfortunately I can't agree with you. This might not be the best example but if we are just waiting for a football game to start but it got canceled, we wouldn't say there was a football game would we?

Additionay, I think it is uncertain if fetuses can feel pain.

Okay, sure. Except when its an abortion its "not a life" and people dont cry a tear. But have a miscarriage at the same point, and people have funerals, they cry for months if not years, it fundamentally can break individuals.

Regardless of a persons view on fetuses lives, abilities to experience anything, abortions and miscarriages, its sad in all circumstances.

But as I said, its all about the plan. If youre committing an abortion, its planned and its "okay. " The same as people dying in battle, etc.
Miscarriage is unplanned, and terrible, just as suicide is considered.

 

[CogitoMori]

Unfortunately I can't agree with you. This might not be the best example but if we are just waiting for a football game to start but it got canceled, we wouldn't say there was a football game would we?

Additionay, I think it is uncertain if fetuses can feel pain.

They have not developed a nervous system at that point and thus cannot feel pain. So, no abortion doesn't hurt the fetus.

 

[darkenmydoorstep]

1. Abortion usually has positive effects on society and the ones that stay alive
2. Fetus isn't usually regarded as a person

Sorry but I find this idea somewhat lazy and inaccurate. Suicide couldn't be further away from abortion.

"Abortion usually has positive effects on society"
I dispute that. On a simplistic level maybe at face value, but on a moral level it drags society under. I believe in the right to abortion btw, I just think 'positive effect' is untrue.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

This is an old thread but I feel like answering anyway because why not. Most people are against death because they consider death to be the worst thing ever due to either religious beliefs or supporting the deprivationist account argument. They don't even consciously acknowledge that death is inevitable and it's just something that they try to push aside until it happens to them. Also, you have the governments that want as many wage slaves as possible. It's why they freak out when they see a decrease in the population

 

[EvisceratedJester]

You bring up a good point but when I was comparing the two I was mostly thinking that if you support abortion you're okay with:

Taking a human life (no matter how you try to go around it, the fetus is a human life) which throws the muh life should always be preserved argument out the window

And

Putting your interests first even if it hurts others as long as it's what you want (which throws the but what about your family argument out the window)

The human life you are taking in most cases isn't a conscious one. Consciousness doesn't start until later into the pregnancy, past 24 weeks. From what I know, the general consensus, at least to my knowledge, is that most fetuses cannot register pain up until the third-trimester. Third-trimester abortions only really happen in emergency circumstances, with the majority of abortions occurring during the first trimester.

Along with that, an aspect of abortion is also taking into consideration the child's quality of life after being born. Mothers who are denied abortions generally tend to have a greater chance of reporting issues with maternal bonding and an increased chance of living in worse socioeconomic situations. There is also the risk of abuse and dysfunction that may come if the child is born into an abusive family or is adopted by one. We also have to take note of the fact that children with disabilities and deformities are also less likely to be adopted, leading to those children having a poorer chance of finding a family. Abortion isn't about prioritizing your interests first, even if it hurts others. It's about ensuring the well-being of both the mother and the child-to-be.

"Abortion usually has positive effects on society"
I dispute that. On a simplistic level maybe at face value, but on a moral level it drags society under. I believe in the right to abortion btw, I just think 'positive effect' is untrue.

How exactly do they "drag society under"?

 

[Warlord's Pulse]

Because of the loss that causes, not just the obvious shock but also financially

 

[isolatedl111]

It just baffles me how a fair amount of people view suicide as ''one of the worst things you can do''. Right, worse than criminal behavior. If aliens came to earth, they would be absolutely stunned by our hypocritical beliefs and behaviors.

I want someone to explain how we've come so far as humans only to be still shackled to emotional reasoning when it comes to contemplating life. Maybe us humans aren't that intelligent after all, if people don't kill themselves because of 'how it affects others' regardless of whether those peoples emotions are reasonable or not then it's almost certain that human life itself is not only hard but irrational as well.

Hm