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I think it´s complete shit especially the 'agony' part like it says shotgun to the head is 5.5 agony; if you blow your head off you won´t feel a thing. And the comparing gunshot to head at 13 agony and shotgun to chest at 16, I have seen videos of people shooting themselves in the chest with a shotgun and they scream out in agony so that a gunshot to the head would be only 3 points away from shotgun to chest is completely bullshit, I have seen many videos of people shooting themselves in the head with a handgun and it´s just lights out immediately.
 
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I think it´s complete shit especially the 'agony' part like it says shotgun to the head is 5.5 agony; if you blow your head off you won´t feel a thing. And the comparing gunshot to head at 13 agony and shotgun to chest at 16, I have seen videos of people shooting themselves in the chest with a shotgun and they scream out in agony so that a gunshot to the head would be only 3 points away from shotgun to chest is completely bullshit, I have seen many videos of people shooting themselves in the head with a handgun and it´s just lights out immediately.
I read an interview of a guy who got shot in the head with a shotgun by a hitman and survived, who said it was very painful. So maybe not always.
 
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Ive been on the website and get the idea that they are pro life. Which is fine but i found the title misleading.
I read an interview of a guy who got shot in the head with a shotgun by a hitman and survived, who said it was very painful. So maybe not always.
I think those ratings scales refer to an assumption that you do die. Ie the pain you might feel on the way. Apart from the reliability score, which indicates how likely it is you will die.
Id imagine shooting yourself in the head and surviving would be rather painful !
 
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Ive been on the website and get the idea that they are pro life. Which is fine but i found the title misleading.

I think those ratings scales refer to an assumption that you do die. Ie the pain you might feel on the way. Apart from the reliability score, which indicates how likely it is you will die.
Id imagine shooting yourself in the head and surviving would be rather painful !
I got the feeling they were pro life too. I went on there before I ever found this site which was more of a natural fit for me!
 
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I got the feeling they were pro life too. I went on there before I ever found this site which was more of a natural fit for me!
Same. When we are searching dark topics on google it comes up. Im sure they mean well but i got the feeling that they were trying to scare people out of ctb. This may help some people but what we really want is balanced info. We know that some methods are painful, unreliable or harmful to people near by. But some also have a more peaceful reliable safe exit and we need to know what they are too.
 
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The ratings are not from him though, but taken from outside sources. So I don't blame him too much. As for pro life, I think he wrote that he himself is trying despite everything, but that his life lacks certain things, and yet he left the info available for people who do want to go through with it. So, overall I think it's a good site and not too narrow-minded. Discovered it some years ago, so I do appreciate it and it was far easier to find than SS, albeit here is much better.
 
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Discovered it some years ago, so I do appreciate it and it was far easier to find than SS, albeit here is much better.
Yeah I think I should give the site some credit since it was the first suicide site I found and that was 8 years ago and it was far easier to find it showed up on google just by searching about suicide this site doesn´t this site is way harder to find the only reason I found SS was because someone shared a thread about it in another forum.
 
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I think it was the first site many people found. I thought it at least tried to be honest instead of hiding it all away. It presented methods but also told you how bad it could get. But really, measuring stuff like that is arbitrary and subjective, you can't expect it to be accurate.
 
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From memory it referenced the Geo Stone's "Suicide and suicide methods" book. Fairly accurate in general if dated
 
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I think it was the first site many people found. I thought it at least tried to be honest instead of hiding it all away. It presented methods but also told you how bad it could get. But really, measuring stuff like that is arbitrary and subjective, you can't expect it to be accurate.
Yeah I remember when I planned to take my life at 18-19 I used this site and was very intrigued by the drop hanging the site talks about and I even calculated weight and height from drop, looking at the hanging section on lostallhope I think he should have added partial hanging because I never knew about that method back then only the more violent forms of hanging like full suspension and drop hanging.
 
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The thing I never get about pro-lifers is they can never quantify a "good life". It's subjective. I'd rather a short but fun one, ended by myself, than a long and okay-ish one, dieing slowly in a nursing home with 9 cats named reggie. Can I not do that, it's weird.
 
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The info isn't perfect, that's true. Good enough though, and considering the place he was in kudos to him. Couldn't even get out of bed at the worst of times. Think of it this way, his suicide site was us in highschool, but now we've moved on to university awaiting our specialist degree, whereas all other sites are in fact kindergarten. :devil:

Kindergarten
 
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The thing I never get about pro-lifers is they can never quantify a "good life". It's subjective. I'd rather a short but fun one, ended by myself, than a long and okay-ish one, dieing slowly in a nursing home with 9 cats named reggie. Can I not do that, it's weird.
Same here like people think it´s so tragic when young people die let´s use Zyzz as an example who died around the age of 21 years old he lived more in his life than most will do in a lifetime yet they will judge him; granted he didn´t die from suicide but heart failure but it still implies to suicidal people like I had an amazing childhood and fun and exciting teenage years so why go on for decades more just to exist? Somehow people are just so pro-life that they think people have to stay alive no matter what no matter how much they suffer because "things get better".

humans are so stupid nowadays they think everyone is equal but we are not they think everyone can overcome depression or suicidal thoughts with positive thinking even I used to believe in the quote "whatever the mind can concieve and believe the mind can achieve" but it isn´t true for everyone and the people who strongly believe in this because they got out of a bad mental state might only have experienced 10% of what the rest of us is going through so they think they know what suffering is when in fact they don´t they haven´t even scratched the surface, they think EVERYONE can overcome depression and suicidal thoughts and I think this have to do with empathy because they are empathetic towards humans so they think every human is the same but that isn´t how the world works not in the animal kingdom or in humans either there are animals (including humans) who are far superior both physically and mentally and pro-lifers dont get that.
 
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I would say it serves a good guideline for general knowledge, but when you go into specifics, it does get questionable in terms of reliability. I would say use it to get a baseline understanding of the method, then with that, do more research and homework before making a decision.
 
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Same here like people think it´s so tragic when young people die let´s use Zyzz as an example who died around the age of 21 years old he lived more in his life than most will do in a lifetime yet they will judge him; granted he didn´t die from suicide but heart failure but it still implies to suicidal people like I had an amazing childhood and fun and exciting teenage years so why go on for decades more just to exist? Somehow people are just so pro-life that they think people have to stay alive no matter what no matter how much they suffer because "things get better".

humans are so stupid nowadays they think everyone is equal but we are not they think everyone can overcome depression or suicidal thoughts with positive thinking even I used to believe in the quote "whatever the mind can concieve and believe the mind can achieve" but it isn´t true for everyone and the people who strongly believe in this because they got out of a bad mental state might only have experienced 10% of what the rest of us is going through so they think they know what suffering is when in fact they don´t they haven´t even scratched the surface, they think EVERYONE can overcome depression and suicidal thoughts and I think this have to do with empathy because they are empathetic towards humans so they think every human is the same but that isn´t how the world works not in the animal kingdom or in humans either there are animals (including humans) who are far superior both physically and mentally and pro-lifers dont get that.
I think a lot of people believe they are above animal behavior, but it will come out given then right circumstances. Even I tear up at goodbye threads here even though I didn't know the person, I appreciate their inputs and respect their choices. I wish there were matrix like floppy disks for it to be mapped out on (if the person consents). But that isn't so and it'd only be a ghost in the machine.

I get the beliefs but practically it doesn't work and some people need to step out, that's fine too. But to push people to believe what you do with no validity is just...stupid... okay fair everyone has emotions and animal instict. But to try to shut this site down for media clicks, they're the people I cannot forgive.
sorry for the rant lol I'm just hating these blogs/articles that have been popping up recently
 
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Same here like people think it´s so tragic when young people die let´s use Zyzz as an example who died around the age of 21 years old he lived more in his life than most will do in a lifetime yet they will judge him; granted he didn´t die from suicide but heart failure but it still implies to suicidal people like I had an amazing childhood and fun and exciting teenage years so why go on for decades more just to exist? Somehow people are just so pro-life that they think people have to stay alive no matter what no matter how much they suffer because "things get better".

humans are so stupid nowadays they think everyone is equal but we are not they think everyone can overcome depression or suicidal thoughts with positive thinking even I used to believe in the quote "whatever the mind can concieve and believe the mind can achieve" but it isn´t true for everyone and the people who strongly believe in this because they got out of a bad mental state might only have experienced 10% of what the rest of us is going through so they think they know what suffering is when in fact they don´t they haven´t even scratched the surface, they think EVERYONE can overcome depression and suicidal thoughts and I think this have to do with empathy because they are empathetic towards humans so they think every human is the same but that isn´t how the world works not in the animal kingdom or in humans either there are animals (including humans) who are far superior both physically and mentally and pro-lifers dont get that.
I know it's off topic but if you want to be remembered well you should die young. Doesn't even matter if you would have become the biggest fuck up on planet Earth, people only see some abstract wasted potential that died with you. As soon as you're past the age of 'developmental potential' let's say, maybe around 30, 35, people will treat you like shit and will give you no leeway anymore.
 
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The data displayed on the lethal methods page in particular is so old and is derived from just three sources, one of which is confined to a very specific geographic region.

It should not be considered a definitive guide.

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Isn't stone et al one of his sources? I thought stone was considered a pretty good source. Sorry for my ignorance, I'm too lazy to look it up. On the other hand, people single mindedly following PN is just as stupid.
 
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Isn't stone et al one of his sources?
Elsewhere on that site, yes, but not on the page cited in this thread.

Stone is a nice starting point, but that, too, draws from old data. The book was published in 1999.
 
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TheGoodGuy said:

Mmh, that's very true. In fact I'd assume that most of us believed when we were kids that our lives would be spectacular, meaningful and eventually end in a bang, if at all, but the reality is many people's lives simply don't turn out that way. Historically the vast majority of people actually died in the most ridiculous circumstances imaginable, often against their will and long before their time. So, it's not uncommon, and based on the facts everyone should have the right to determine for themselves when it's over. When the good times are done. This ability to draw the line is what gives life meaning and compliment's one's character. The option to go on, but choosing not to.

I do remember being healthy, and can honestly say, there's a world of difference between normal problems and mental health issues. The former just scratches the surface, whereas the latter destroys one to the core. So, it's probably impossible for healthy people to understand what it feels like. I'm still not broken though. I do value having existed, but my character, purpose and will to live definitely have been by this illness, irredeemably.
 
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I know it's off topic but if you want to be remembered well you should die young. Doesn't even matter if you would have become the biggest fuck up on planet Earth, people only see some abstract wasted potential that died with you. As soon as you're past the age of 'developmental potential' let's say, maybe around 30, 35, people will treat you like shit and will give you no leeway anymore.
I agree I have even written about that before how I wish I would have died a teenager back when I had style, personality and was young now at almost 26 I am just another adult who killed himself and that isn´t as tragic.
 
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I agree I have even written about that before how I wish I would have died a teenager back when I had style, personality and was young now at almost 26 I am just another adult who killed himself and that isn´t as tragic.
Meh 26 is still way better than 36 or 46. Having children also makes it more tragic or being someone important. Basically the more power or potential for power you have the more 'tragic' your death will be percieved.

This is not to encourage you btw it is of course stupid to kill oneself because other people will think it more or less tragic. But that's not the real reason we brood over this issue, it's more the fear of losing more of our dignity I thinkm
 

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