Discussion Hi, I'm a chemist

[Dr.Sleep (Im tired)]

I would like to thank everyone who voted for and against me. Please contact me for any questions regarding chemicals, chemical testing, titration, or synthesis.

I will NOT answer the following

1. how to Synthesize N, SA, SN, or any other deadly chemical
2. Will I synthesize N, SA, SN or any other deadly chemical for anyone
3. help obtaining N, SA, SN, or any other deadly chemical from industrial chemical supplier
4. advise someone on how their suicide should be planned

I can answer the following

1. Is "X" deadly, and at what concentration
2. how do i test if "X" is pure?
3. how to synthesis non lethal and non Psychedelic chemicals
4. experiment recommendations and equipment recommendations
5. safety facts on chemicals
6. reasons certain organic chemicals have certain effects

Please note that I do not take any liability for your actions; i am simply providing scientific information.

I have put these rules in place to protect my ass. Feel free to open a PM, or a Conversation regarding any chemistry based questions you may have.

I'm happy to start giving back to the community

 

[Dying Alive 00]

Hello. I have a testing question if I may. I have read in threads here that SN can be determined by a drop of blood turning brown. However, I've also read that S. NitrAte will also turn it brown. So I wonder - firstly is that correct and secondly, if it is, how do we determine what's SN and what's S.NitrAte?

Thank you

 

[absolomonisgone]

Is Chlorpyriphos 50%EC deadly and what is lethal dose? read online about many people who kill self using it and is it painful and how long to die?

 

[Sparr0w]

Hello. I have a testing question if I may. I have read in threads here that SN can be determined by a drop of blood turning brown. However, I've also read that S. NitrAte will also turn it brown. So I wonder - firstly is that correct and secondly, if it is, how do we determine what's SN and what's S.NitrAte?

Thank you

yes, nitrate passes the blood test.

there is also "the aquarium test"
1. ask the supplier if the product is aquarium-safe sodium nitrate
2. use an "aquarium test strip" on the product you recieve - i'm not certain how this works, you should search the site or ask around to learn more.

apart from that, just use common sense. if the place you bought from isn't one someone's successfully used to CTB before, isn't a real chemical/food-processing place, and/or is selling for really cheap, just buy from IC or CSS instead.

 

[Dr.Sleep (Im tired)]

Hello. I have a testing question if I may. I have read in threads here that SN can be determined by a drop of blood turning brown. However, I've also read that S. NitrAte will also turn it brown. So I wonder - firstly is that correct and secondly, if it is, how do we determine what's SN and what's S.NitrAte?

Thank you

Personally, i would use the Aquarium test strips because you can determine the actual grade of the SN you have obtained.

Is Chlorpyriphos 50%EC deadly and what is lethal dose? read online about many people who kill self using it and is it painful and how long to die?

Chlorpyriphos has been considered moderately poisonous by the WHO.

although it is considered moderately poisonous, i would not injest it.
please direct further questions to my PM's, or open a conversation

Cheers!

 

[Dying Alive 00]

Personally, i would use the Aquarium test strips because you can determine the actual grade of the SN you have obtained.

Thank you. It was sold as 99% and I've ordered tnr strips and test tube, so we'll see…

 

[WorthlessCoward]

I got some dumb ones
1) Everybody says that SN can make you gag at best and puke at worst but what exactly does it taste like? Is it just really salty water? Really salty water with some kind of chemical? Really salty water with some chemical and milk? Really salty water with some chemical and milk and fish? Okay the last two are stuff that I personally hate and just thinking about them makes me gag, but I think the question is valid enough.
2) Could there be a way to simulate the taste? Or something as close as it can be?

 

[liffey]

How do you reduce nitrates to nitrites without involving lead?

 

[orca87]

I would like to thank everyone who voted for and against me. Please contact me for any questions regarding chemicals, chemical testing, titration, or synthesis.

I'm happy to start giving back to the community

Are there chemicals that cause a heart attack but that are untraceable?

Are there chemicals that cause cancer immediately?

What to look for when fast blackout/peacefulness is the main goal?

 

[Dr.Sleep (Im tired)]

How do you reduce nitrates to nitrites without involving lead?

Ha good one, but i will not be telling you how to make SN.

Are there chemicals that cause a heart attack but that are untraceable?

Are there chemicals that cause cancer immediately?

What to look for when fast blackout/peacefulness is the main goal?

I do not know any off the top of my head. If you tell me a chemical, i could define it's properties.

Also, the information i give should not be used for suicide, it should only be used for education and defining chemical properties.
Please direct future question to a PM, or a Conversation ^^

 

[Looking]

Is there a reason why convos need to be moved into PMs? I am curious of some of in depth responses of some of the questions listed above, but I'm curious if there's a specific reason it can't be public.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Is there a reason why convos need to be moved into PMs? I am curious of some of in depth responses of some of the questions listed above, but I'm curious if there's a specific reason it can't be public.

OP understandably wants to protect themselves.

 

[Looking]

OP understandably wants to protect themselves.

From what? Are they using a public lab or something to perform tests? (Genuine question.)

If it's just about legal claims in general, I'm pretty sure posting "chemist help" on a suicide forum in the suicide category negates the "beyond a reasonable doubt this person wasn't assisting in suicide" claims any court would make. Like, I'm pretty sure a jury would see beyond the "My advice isn't to help you with suicide (You suicidal person, where I posted this in the suicide category, on a suicidal website)". Maybe it should be moved to "off topic" if the desire is to not seem like assistance in suicide.

 

[Dr.Sleep (Im tired)]

From what? Are they using a public lab or something to perform tests? (Genuine question.)

If it's just about legal claims in general, I'm pretty sure posting "chemist help" on a suicide forum in the suicide category negates the "beyond a reasonable doubt this person wasn't assisting in suicide" claims any court would make. Like, I'm pretty sure a jury would see beyond the "My advice isn't to help you with suicide (You suicidal person, where I posted this in the suicide category, on a suicidal website)". Maybe it should be moved to "off topic" if the desire is to not seem like assistance in suicide.

ok, fine then, fuck it no one gets help.
I only posted it in this channel because it would get the most viewership.

And second of all, i genuinely don't want people half assing their ctb attempt, that just causes more suffering and strains the national health services of one's respective nation. Like one bloke talked to me about wanting to drink pesticides. Fucking pesticides, even if it did work, that would be one of the most pain filled experiences to ever cross humanity.

And yes, i DO NOT intend for this info to be used for suicide. The information i provide is literately only to be used for personal safety and education. Thats it. Anything else you do with it is the fault of the party at play. I genuinely don't want people to suffer whilst ctb'ing. At anything, i would like to back people off a cliff and help them recover, but hey, it's a pro choice website.

But thank you for making the observation. feel free to PM me if you detect any more discrepancies

 

[Kasumi]

From what? Are they using a public lab or something to perform tests? (Genuine question.)

If it's just about legal claims in general, I'm pretty sure posting "chemist help" on a suicide forum in the suicide category negates the "beyond a reasonable doubt this person wasn't assisting in suicide" claims any court would make. Like, I'm pretty sure a jury would see beyond the "My advice isn't to help you with suicide (You suicidal person, where I posted this in the suicide category, on a suicidal website)". Maybe it should be moved to "off topic" if the desire is to not seem like assistance in suicide.

They do just answer chemistry questions tho, those are all things that aren't secret or illegal, anyone could do the research themselved, providing simlpe information isn't illegal, assisting suicide is.
There are literally threads on this side about methods to kys, and that isn't even "assisted suicide" otherwise, any site that mentions how someone took their own life would be considered assisted suicide..

Tbh I don't think that even telling how to synthesise Chemicals could be considered assisted suicide, since that's also just neutral information.
Though their choice to not do so is understandable, just so that other people can't blame them for anything.

I mean,.. would you blame your chemistry or biology teacher for assisted suicide only cause they gave lessons on poisons?
That would make literally any HS teacher a criminal.

And yes, i DO NOT intend for this info to be used for suicide. The information i provide is literately only to be used for personal safety and education. Thats it. Anything else you do with it is the fault of the party at play. An great observation, yes, i have put in CYA precautions in place. I genuinely don't want people to suffer whilst ctb'ing. At anything, i would like to back people off a cliff and help them recover, but hey, it's a pro choice website.

Thats a really good point.
The kind of information they provide is very useful to prevent unnecessary harm.
Someone dead set on ctb'ing is gonna ctb one or the other way, if you can prevent them from making mistakes in their procedure and causing themselves or others harm it's a good thing.
F.e. someone might make an attempt with CO which can cause a lot of harm to the people who find them.

There are also many people who don't want to die 100% but make an attempt anyway.
Providing them with accurate information can make the difference between a non-serious attempt that results in lasting damage and one that doesn't or they might even scrap that stupid idea alltogether.

 

[Dr.Sleep (Im tired)]

They do just answer chemistry questions tho, those are all things that aren't secret or illegal, anyone could do the research themselved, providing simlpe information isn't illegal, assisting suicide is.
There are literally threads on this side about methods to kys, and that isn't even "assisted suicide" otherwise, any site that mentions how someone took their own life would be considered assisted suicide..

Tbh I don't think that even telling how to synthesise Chemicals could be considered assisted suicide, since that's also just neutral information.
Though their choice to not do so is understandable, just so that other people can't blame them for anything.

I mean,.. would you blame your chemistry or biology teacher for assisted suicide only cause they gave lessons on poisons?
That would make literally any HS teacher a criminal.

Thats a really good point.
The kind of information they provide is very useful to prevent unnecessary harm.
Someone dead set on ctb'ing is gonna ctb one or the other way, if you can prevent them from making mistakes in their procedure and causing themselves or others harm it's a good thing.
F.e. someone might make an attempt with CO which can cause a lot of harm to the people who find them.

There are also many people who don't want to die 100% but make an attempt anyway.
Providing them with accurate information can make the difference between a non-serious attempt that results in lasting damage and one that doesn't or they might even scrap that stupid idea alltogether.

thank you, these were my thoughts exactly

 

[Looking]

Listen - I don't mind if a chemist is providing help or resources at all, I'm just confused on what this is protecting them from. I OBVIOUSLY want people to die in a painless way. I wasn't against the concept or anything. (I thought it was cool!) I was just saying that a jury, when it comes to a court of law, most likely can understand nuance/read the context of the thread. If it's some legal protection (Which you won't be sued for, by the way) then humans can like, tell context beyond the disclaimers. They'd be given context about the website and everything... It was confusion on my end, not an attack of any kind or a debate on whether or not someone SHOULD be held accountable in any manner. I offer advice on here all the time.

Edit: I OBVIOUSLY want the information to be public - which is why I asked. I wasn't against the concept, at all. I don't have a desire to debate the ethics of like, providing resources to suicidal people... I mean, why are we all here?

 

[Dr.Sleep (Im tired)]

Listen - I don't mind if a chemist is providing help or resources at all, I'm just confused on what this is protecting them from. I OBVIOUSLY want people to die in a painless way. I wasn't against the concept or anything. (I thought it was cool!) I was just saying that a jury, when it comes to a court of law, most likely can understand nuance/read the context of the thread. If it's some legal protection (Which you won't be sued for, by the way) then humans can like, tell context beyond the disclaimers. They'd be given context about the website and everything... It was confusion on my end, not an attack of any kind or a debate on whether or not someone SHOULD be held accountability in any manner. I offer advice on here all the time.

for a trial to even occur, there has to be reasonable evidence that i directly assisted, and was indispensable, in someones attempt

I truly appreciate the concern ^^

 

[Looking]

for a trial to even occur, there has to be reasonable evidence that i directly assisted, and was indispensable, in someones attempt

I truly appreciate the concern ^^

Yeah, I know. I don't think you're going to be sued in any manner.... I just don't think keeping the information private is helpful. I feel like it hides it from other users who want to read the thread but don't have an account.

 

[Dr.Sleep (Im tired)]

Yeah, I know. I don't think you're going to be sued in any manner.... I just don't think keeping the information private is helpful. I feel like it hides it from other users who want to read the thread but don't have an account.

right... But if some one is not even willing to make an account to plan for their attempt... then how can i tell if their serious...
please direct further comments to a conversation ^^

 

[Looking]

right... But if some one is not even willing to make an account to plan for their attempt... then how can i tell if their serious...

I'm sorry? I mean, I'm not here to decide if someone is "serious" about killing themselves or not... I'm just saying if we all agree that you're not in any trouble, then I guess I'm confused why it's not public.

Listen, I unironically don't care either way. I genuinely was just curious about the answers. I don't like what this conversation turned into, as I wasn't trying to debate the ethics or if someone is serious about killing themselves or not. I think if it's for educational reasons, then it should be public. It's why the forum is public and accounts aren't required. I just thought it was odd for the reasoning.

Edit; Didn't see the direct further comments to a convo. I guess you edited it after I responded.

 

[Dr.Sleep (Im tired)]

It's why the forum is public and accounts aren't required. I just thought it was odd for the reasoning.

Edit; Didn't see the direct further comments to a convo. I guess you edited it after I responded.

facts, i'm sorry for escalating things

 

[Dominicka]

Thank you. It was sold as 99% and I've ordered tnr strips and test tube, so we'll see…

Do you mind sharing what you bought and how you will test it?

 

[Sparr0w]

I got some dumb ones
1) Everybody says that SN can make you gag at best and puke at worst but what exactly does it taste like? Is it just really salty water? Really salty water with some kind of chemical? Really salty water with some chemical and milk? Really salty water with some chemical and milk and fish? Okay the last two are stuff that I personally hate and just thinking about them makes me gag, but I think the question is valid enough.
2) Could there be a way to simulate the taste? Or something as close as it can be?

apparently it's salty ("not as salty as seawater"), bitter, and slightly chemically. most threads that mention what it tastes like just say salty/bitter, so i have to assume that there isn't another identifiable flavour in there.

since SN is a salt, you can probably recreate 90% of the taste by mixing a shitton of salt into 50ml of water.

 

[Dr.Sleep (Im tired)]

since SN is a salt, you can probably recreate 90% of the taste by mixing a shitton of salt into 50ml of water.

A salt doesn't mean that it will taste like salt. but because SN and Sodium chloride (table salt) share the same Cl^- ion, they should taste similar, though i would not recommend ingesting chemicals regardless.

Do you mind sharing what you bought and how you will test it?

on amazon, look for a PPM sodium Nitrite aquarium testing kit
open a conversation with me to determine how to test the quality of SN

 

[SexyIncél]

You said it's very complex to make N. How much time would you need to reliably make it, satisfied that it works as expected? How expensive would it be per unit?

Is it too easy to screw up and make something that causes agony? Is testing difficult?

Are there other effective and gentle poisons? Are any of those easier to obtain/make than N?

Thanks! This is just for my intellectual curiosity, like how Breaking Bad fans ask about meth. Sorry if these have been answered before, anyone can point me to the right sources

 

[SorrowfulDrugUser]

I would like to thank everyone who voted for and against me. Please contact me for any questions regarding chemicals, chemical testing, titration, or synthesis.

I will NOT answer the following

1. how to Synthesize N, SA, SN, or any other deadly chemical
2. Will I synthesize N, SA, SN or any other deadly chemical for anyone
3. help obtaining N, SA, SN, or any other deadly chemical from industrial chemical supplier
4. advise someone on how their suicide should be planned

I can answer the following

1. Is "X" deadly, and at what concentration
2. how do i test if "X" is pure?
3. how to synthesis non lethal and non Psychedelic chemicals
4. experiment recommendations and equipment recommendations
5. safety facts on chemicals
6. reasons certain organic chemicals have certain effects

Please note that I do not take any liability for your actions; i am simply providing scientific information.

I have put these rules in place to protect my ass. Feel free to open a PM, or a Conversation regarding any chemistry based questions you may have.

I'm happy to start giving back to the community

How do you synthesis LSD and Ecstasy? Honestly been pretty curious, only know the basics but never have I gotten the full run-down.

 

[WorthlessCoward]

apparently it's salty ("not as salty as seawater"), bitter, and slightly chemically. most threads that mention what it tastes like just say salty/bitter, so i have to assume that there isn't another identifiable flavour in there.

since SN is a salt, you can probably recreate 90% of the taste by mixing a shitton of salt into 50ml of water.

I actually like seawater but I bet it's worse than what I am imagining and obviously difference since there are so many warnings about it, thank you, I'll mess around with it later

 

[Dr.Sleep (Im tired)]

How do you synthesis LSD and Ecstasy? Honestly been pretty curious, only know the basics but never have I gotten the full run-down.

ah,
I don't know how to synthesis that off the top of my head. Secondly, i don't want the ATF at my doorstep if i said i did know how to make LSD.
appreciate the curiosity

 

[MatthewV3]

Does survival from sodium nitrite cause any permanent brain or any organ damage?