Heroin

[Richard Langford]

Of course, from a purely physical point of view, it is possible to introduce 15 or 20 grams of heroin into your body, even if the purity is only 7-10%. The problem is that, in those 15-20 grams, there would still be 1-2 grams of active ingredient, a quantity that far exceeds the lethal threshold for anyone, including consumers with a high tolerance. The idea that the body always manages to "expel" the substance, whether rectally or intravenously, is unfounded: in intravenous administration, the drug enters directly into the bloodstream and cannot be rejected; rectally, even if partial elimination may occur, such a massive dose is still absorbed sufficiently to cause an overdose. In essence, yes, physically introducing that quantity is possible, but there is no defense reflex capable of avoiding the risk of death. Obviously this is the worst case scenario, with very low purity and without considering additions of other opioids often present in the batches.

I wouldn't take it for granted that getting SN is extremely easier. the distribution channels of sodium nitrite are now much more controlled than before. Let's say that it is still a legal substance and that in any case it is not subject to checks by the police, even if cases have occurred. however, when intercepted, it cannot be ruled out that a person will still be referred to psychiatry or suicide support centres. For this and other reasons it is no longer worrying to obtain heroin as a user because the user ultimately does not incur the risks of the distributor or call him a dealer. The fact that being found with heroin means the impossibility of having access to weapons in the future is also valid for sodium nitrite if it is ascertained that it was ordered for the purpose of suicide. Furthermore, I believe that in order to get caught it is less easy to go to a drug dealer than to order sodium nitrite online, with all the traceability that this entails. I have a complete disagreement on whether SN is as peaceful as heroin. death from heroin overdose is a hundred thousand times better than what happens in the death process with sodium nitrite.

But that's an awful lot of liquid to be practically injected even IM. It would take several syringes. It's a bit infeasible. By the time you got to your last syringe you would be completely out of it if not much sooner.

 

[whytrymyguy]

Essentially you'd be dying by suffocation, I don't think its as pleasant to overdose on heroin as some people think, and like others have said, if you do survive, youll be spending every waking minute trying to get your next fix..

Chances are you won't even know you're suffocating, I was unconscious by the time I died when I overdosed on fentanyl. It was quick, pleasant, and painless.

 

[Endofpain]

But that's an awful lot of liquid to be practically injected even IM. It would take several syringes. It's a bit infeasible. By the time you got to your last syringe you would be completely out of it if not much sooner.

Whaaaat...15-20 grams of heroin?! People here will tell you that 1 kg of heroin is too little because it may be mixed with something, you know...

And - there a thing out there called semiquantitative test kits (think pool chlorine test for other chemicals).

Heroin Purity Test Kit | Test Kit Plus

This heroin purity test is a quick test for heroin that will give you an idea about its purity.

testkitplus.com

Everybody who buys poison with the intent to die and doesn't test them (or at least attemps to do a qualitative analysis) is an idiot. Doesnt matter if thats heroin or something else. Keep in mind that this is the most important act in your life.
man...

And to those claiming that 90% of ODs as a suicide attempt fail - keep on mind that this percentage includes idiots trying to OD on Paracetamol and probably orange juice. I doubt that intentional opiod OD or barbiturate OD can compare to those mentioned 90%.

Good luck comparing Heroine to Nitrite poisoning. You have to keep in mind that with one you nod off (maybe nausea before) and with the other you lie there for 20min with tachycardia, fast breathing and anxiety.

Opiod OD (especially looking at strong stuff like IV heroine) is probably nearly as peaceful as N. Read stories from heroin users who ODed UNintentionally. They all sound amazing. The only reason why the PPH rated this method below N was apperantly because "old people dont want to look like junkies when they die". Absolute rubbish reason they would call that in England...

 

[Richard Langford]

Whaaaat...15-20 grams of heroin?! People here will tell you that 1 kg of heroin is too little because it may be mixed with something, you know...

A lot of interesting stuff in your post thank you. Notwithstanding that, a person can hardly go injecting 1kg.
I'm presuming you have to go off Feedback and then get stuff tested - or personal recommendations of trusted sellers on the DW?

 

[Endofpain]

A lot of interesting stuff in your post thank you. Notwithstanding that, a person can hardly go injecting 1kg.
I'm presuming you have to go off Feedback and then get stuff tested - or personal recommendations of trusted sellers on the DW?

I am not too experienced with the DW, but from what people say, the drugs on there a pretty pure as those sellers often sit close to the source. Still needs to be tested.

 

[Richard Langford]

Agreed.

It would be my ideal method.

The legality is a legitimate issue and can be a big risk, especially in some smaller countries with smaller markets and strict drug control.

I think injecting it is not required. i think insufflation/snorting it would be effective enough. I suppose many people don't know of this or don't think of this.

I very much doubt you could take in enough before you passed out to kill yourself - based upon my research.

 

[nembutaldream]

It's not reliable that's why. I've survived opioid + benzo + alcohol OD a few times. That is my preferred method though but at this point SN will probably be the way I ctb.

This is my preferred method too. I don't mind trying multiple times. SN is my backup. May I ask, if you would like to share, the details of your OD attempts? Your dosages, tolerance, body weight, etc? I feel like opioid + benzo + alcohol + muscle relaxant (minus maybe one or two) should eventually work after a number of attempts, but maybe I'm just being optimistic. Also, have you suffered any side effects from your attempts? I don't think I have from mine. I think that OD'ing is a somewhat underrated method for those of us who are not at as much risk of being discovered and sent to a mental hospital or surveilled more closely (e.g. live alone).

 

[Richard Langford]

This is my preferred method too. I don't mind trying multiple times. SN is my backup. May I ask, if you would like to share, the details of your OD attempts? Your dosages, tolerance, body weight, etc? I feel like opioid + benzo + alcohol + muscle relaxant (minus maybe one or two) should eventually work after a number of attempts, but maybe I'm just being optimistic. Also, have you suffered any side effects from your attempts? I don't think I have from mine. I think that OD'ing is a somewhat underrated method for those of us who are not at as much risk of being discovered and sent to a mental hospital or surveilled more closely (e.g. live alone).

What were your's in terms of your multiple attempts? Dosages and tolerances IS a big issue. Another one of course is the 'quality' of your Heroin. If it's s very cut the doseage would have to be increased considerably.

Case in point, some reading reveals.... "the golden standard for a lethal dose is 500 mg of pure heroin. But you're very unlikely to get pure stuff. It's probably gonna be 50% cut, or even worse. I'd recommend getting at least 1.5g for your injection, this way you can be sure you're getting the lethal dose even if it's just 30% dope." Did you?

 

[blue-roses-rest]

What were your's in terms of your multiple attempts? Dosages and tolerances IS a big issue. Another one of course is the 'quality' of your Heroin. If it's s very cut the doseage would have to be increased considerably.

Case in point, some reading reveals.... "the golden standard for a lethal dose is 500 mg of pure heroin. But you're very unlikely to get pure stuff. It's probably gonna be 50% cut, or even worse. I'd recommend getting at least 1.5g for your injection, this way you can be sure you're getting the lethal dose even if it's just 30% dope." Did you?

You can send it in to get lab tested, kekeyon in Spain is a great service. Just take precautions when sending it for obvious reasons.



Something about 2-5ml IV infusion with a syringe makes it seem like so much easier than anything else.

 

[Richard Langford]

You can send it in to get lab tested, kekeyon in Spain is a great service. Just take precautions when sending it for obvious reasons.



Something about 2-5ml IV infusion with a syringe makes it seem like so much easier than anything else.

You send it from outside Spain?

 

[blue-roses-rest]

You send it from outside Spain?

Yep! I do it for any drugs I take.

 

[Richard Langford]

Yep! I do it for any drugs I take.

It's 90 euros or suchlike?

 

[heyismeman]

For someone with a huge phobia of IV injections but could do intramuscular oral etc is opioid OD still a viable method?

 

[Richard Langford]

For someone with a huge phobia of IV injections but could do intramuscular oral etc is opioid OD still a viable method?

Bioavailability is something like 97% via IM.

 

[heyismeman]

Bioavailability is something like 97% via IM.

So in theory if someone sourced relatively high quality fent and injected in on shoulder
It's as good as method as any other?

 

[nembutaldream]

Boofing I think is a good alternative to injections.

Does anyone have any studies on how long it takes for opiod tolerance to decrease or "reset"?

 

[cantThinkOfName]

Addiction, OD is not a nice way to go, expensive, and most people don't know where to get heroin

 

[Richard Langford]

Addiction, OD is not a nice way to go, expensive, and most people don't know where to get heroin

Thats just plain WRONG. OD IS actually an extremely nice way to go - numerous posters have said as much on here. So does the PPH. If you can get enough it certainly is.

 

[cantThinkOfName]

Thats just plain WRONG. OD IS actually an extremely nice way to go - numerous posters have said as much on here. So does the PPH. If you can get enough it certainly

People can say what they want. The reality is its good to be high, its not good to od. It's unreliable and requires signicant effort, planning and guess work just to role the dice, not to mention surviving an od attempt. Its not great at all.

To get a "good" od. You need to get it and know thay what you got was actually it, know its not mixed with anything or at least what its mixed with wont make it painful, figure out how much of it to take because you dont just want to od you want to die by od, and then cross your fingers. Not to mention when you take enough to od you don't just feel a buzz like you had a pint at the pub, and its not like weed, you will absolutely run the risk of getting caught

 

[SaraBye]

You can send it in to get lab tested, kekeyon in Spain is a great service. Just take precautions when sending it for obvious reasons.

Hi,

Good to know about kekeyon.

Do you think they would agree to analyze sodium nitrite samples?
As I see that you have had experience sending substances for analysis, how long do the results usually take from receiving the sample?

 

[notreallybored]

Addiction, OD is not a nice way to go, expensive, and most people don't know where to get heroin

ב''ה,

I'll just reply to this one; as others have said, there's the amount that's usually pleasant, and then there's hot, itchy nausea while having to remember to breathe and gasping if you're still conscious. Opiate fans who get the itch may prefer a Benadryl or two first taken the ordinary way and that may be somewhat less discomfort.

If y'all need a subjective explanation, for those of us who had our drinking days, you know how it's sort of fun, but particularly if the night has gone on too long, it goes from fun to spinny and dysphoric on your way to the floor? Imagine this but with the medicine moreso causing you to forget to breathe, and with the other unpleasant symptoms catching up even if somewhat numb to them. The body's "something is wrong" makes it through the buzz, at least for those prone to survival.

You'd think it would be pleasant, but like drinking to excess, it goes past pleasant to the "something is wrong" phase, and probably the more naive to it you are the more likely this will involve puking if still conscious or maybe if not.

Now, you might think a heroic amount of benzos with the opiates to excess would be more pleasant, and the thing is, as many people this somehow takes out each year, there's folks like us around to say that yes, in the moment it sure is, although might be expensive overkill for a nap, and then there's withdrawal and hangover. Somehow we are still around to note this. What am I supposed to do, give it 50/50 odds?

Finally, never much dabbled with H but just smoking it socially with a fan, perhaps its fans are a different breed, probably it was mixed with something that's instant nausea and unpleasantness for me, but while it's rather potent, that just takes it from 'pleasant' to 'yeah, that was pointlessly excessive' rather rapidly, or the smell is just a bit too heady besides. So.. my opinion is that if I were in a hospice gradually having my total serum volume replaced with the stuff it might not be the funnest ride.

It's probably a blessing hospices use knockout doses of benzos while having to follow this protocol with the equivalent prescription opiates/opioids.