Help Help with the SN method

[Subhuman]

I need help figuring out the SN method please. I read the suicide wiki and as much of the megathread as I could. I have trouble concentrating as well as some vision problems, so I can't possibly read the whole thing, although I did my best.

1) Since there are 28 pills of Meto in 1 box and some people still throw up taking it as described in the wiki, is it worth taking bigger doses rather than 3x10 for 48h and 3x10 stat dose?
2) Since SN is rarely sold in low amounts, is it a good idea to take more than 15--20g just to make sure it does the job?
3) Does putting the SN into empty capsules and swallowing them instead of drinking it with water change anything? Is it just so one doesn't have to endure the taste or does it make antiemetics unnecessary?
4) Vitamin C. Mine is probably really high. Should I take more than 15--20g SN to make sure my vit C doesn't counteract its effects?
5) Is it best to stick to the wiki or have the members here figured out any ways to improve upon it?

If anyone has the time and patience to help me out I would really appreciate it. All of the above is hypothetical obviously, and I won't take any reply as encouragement to do anything.

 

[Rocksandsand]

I'm going to do my best to answer these questions, but if anyone reads this and thinks otherwise, please chime in! I'm really sorry about your vision and concentration problems. I have very bad memory problems, so you have my sympathies. It sucks having to navigate a world not designed for us.

1) I would ideally do the 48hr regime, and then consider going anywhere between 30mg to 60mg an hour prior to taking the SN
2) if you are a large person, 20g to 25g should be more than sufficient. Be aware though that taking more will increase your risk of vomiting, so it's a weigh up of risks
3) I personally think capsules are a great idea. A lot of vomiting in general is caused by gagging from a taste or sensation, and capsules can minimise this. Just be aware that SN does not store well in capsules though, so this is best prepared on the day
4) I'm not sure about this one, so this is merely speculation... Vitamin C can increase gut motility so it may actually enhance the SN's efficacy. I am very uncertain about this though. To be clear - is the high vitamin C level as indicated on a blood test?
5) The only developments I have seen regarding the SN method on here has been the use of capsules, and some people tweaking the meto regime beforehand due to tolerability issues. Many users have successfully completed suicide using it, and others have come exceptionally close but been discovered. Be aware that SN poisoning is very easily detected by emergency departments (it changes the colour of blood from red to brown which is the give away) so it is important to remain undiscovered

I hope this helps you in your decision making

 

[Subhuman]

That's super helpful, thank you so much for taking the time to write it all out

As for the vitamin C thing, I haven't had that tested so it's pure speculation based on the fact that I eat a ton of fruits and veggies and I also take some supplements to help with some chronic health issues I have. All the vitamins and minerals that they did test came back in the high end of the healthy range, so I assume it's the same for vit C. I read somewhere in the SN thread that having a high level of vitamin C can help the body metabolize the SN, but I didn't quite understand the mechanics behind it. I might have gotten it wrong. I feel better now that you said it might actually enhance the SN.

Thanks again :)

 

[Rocksandsand]

That's super helpful, thank you so much for taking the time to write it all out

As for the vitamin C thing, I haven't had that tested so it's pure speculation based on the fact that I eat a ton of fruits and veggies and I also take some supplements to help with some chronic health issues I have. All the vitamins and minerals that they did test came back in the high end of the healthy range, so I assume it's the same for vit C. I read somewhere in the SN thread that having a high level of vitamin C can help the body metabolize the SN, but I didn't quite understand the mechanics behind it. I might have gotten it wrong. I feel better now that you said it might actually enhance the SN.

Thanks again :)

That's okay :) Normally I get a bit frustrated with the amount of SN questions in the open forum, but with 4,000+ posts, the Megathread is a big ask. I wouldn't be concerned about the vitamin C if the bloods said that they were within the healthy limits. Just be aware though that the meto can cause diarrhoea, so maybe slow down the fibre intake once you start the meto so you don't spend your last few days imprisoned in the toilet haha

 

[Subhuman]

Oh I didn't know that! Thanks for the tip. I suppose there's no point in eating healthy the last few days before you plan on offing yourself either lol. I guess I'll take the opportunity to indulge in some fast food then

 

[Soul]

I read in a medical journal that Vitamin C is sometimes used as an antidote to SN poisoning, so I'll cut down on it in my diet for a few days before taking SN.

I won't take more than the recommended dose of antiemetics or of SN, but I will mix another batch or two of SN to have ready in case I start vomiting while I'm still conscious.

 

[Rocksandsand]

Would you be able to link the journal? I'm curious about the pharmacology with SN. I know it's completely reversible with Methylene Blue but I hadn't heard of anything with vitamin C?

 

[Soul]

I'll track it down and post it. I don't understand the mechanisms with either of the antidotes, but the journal was a believable source. Hang on ...

Got it! It mentions ascorbic acid only in passing, as it were; there's also some information about how to potentiate the effects of SN:

Evidence-Based Case Review: Methemoglobinemia

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Rocksandsand]

To my understanding, methylene blue works by reversing the effect that the SN has on the blood's ability to carry oxygen. In the simplest terms, SN fills up the spots that oxygen would usually sit on in the blood cells, and methylene blue bumps the SN back off so the cells can start carrying oxygen again. That's why your blood turns a rusty chocolate colour when you've got SN poisoning - it's not carrying nearly as much oxygen as it usually does

Not that any of this is particularly relevant to us, but it is pleasantly nerdy. I suppose it's just something to bear in mind about making sure you aren't found because you will look very sick until you die