Helium exit with a CPAP mask. Need help with the air pressure setting and gear verification

[itsmylastweek]

Hello there, I've reached the end of my line and am ready to put a period on a life filled with illness and abject failure. I've decided that Helium suicide with a CPAP mask was the most failsafe way for me and have gone ahead to procure a tank of 99.998% pure helium, a CPAP mask, the tubing that comes with it and after some intense search for the right kind of fittings needed for the outlet over the past three days, I've come across the perfect setup to connect to my CPAP Mask. Everything is all set up and I tested it by turning on the knob on the tank and it hit me with an intense burst of helium that I felt like would be unsustainable for me to breath and make the mask come off. The pressure on it was too great for me and I am not sure what I should do now. I am about to make my first attempt tomorrow morning. I need tips as to what to do with my current setup to make it a successful one. I really do not want to end up failing. I've invested all of my resources into buying this tank and failure means that I don't have any alternatives. Any comments and help will be highly appreciated. Wish me luck <3

I am gonna attach the setup images to this post, please view them and let me know what I can do.

 

[GerMann]

This I found: Hope you don't have the mixed Gas 15-100

 

[itsmylastweek]

This I found: Hope you don't have the mixed Gas 15-100
View attachment 19459

No, its a UHP 99.99%

 

[GerMann]

The pressure on it was too great for me - could you regulate it, to get less gas, otherwise the mask is propably too tight?

 

[itsmylastweek]

The pressure on it was too great for me - could you regulate it, to get less gas, otherwise the mask is propably too tight?

Yeah, I didnt even turn the knob all the way, only a little and it burst out with force. If I loosen the mask then wont it mean the helium will leak out?

 

[pane]

Itsmylastweek, did the mask actually become physically dislodged from your face in any way or is that more a fear you have about it possibly becoming dislodged? Have you thought of using a CPAP mask that covers a larger area of your face, such as a full-face model?

I'm not sure what to say about the feeling of having helium hit you in the face. Since you're using a mask instead of the oven bag that would fill up more gradually around your head I suspect the "blasted in the face" sensation might be unavoidable.

With the mask you're covering just your nose and mouth so the full flow of the gas is going to be concentrated directly on those areas.

Also could you please name the specific fittings you bought to connect the CPAP hose to the tank of helium?

The pressure on it was too great for me - could you regulate it, to get less gas, otherwise the mask is propably too tight?

If using a mask you want the tightest possible seal against your face other air/oxygen can seep in which can lengthen the time to cause death and if enough oxygen gets past the seal you could possibly survive the suicide attempt and wind up with brain damage to one degree or another.

I've read here on SS that Exit International staff assisted with several inert gas suicides in the past where the individuals used an oxygen mask like you find in hospitals and if I recall time of death in those cases was quite long, something like up to 40 minutes give or take.

Yeah, I didnt even turn the knob all the way, only a little and it burst out with force. If I loosen the mask then wont it mean the helium will leak out?

If the gas "burst out with force" I'd say that means you have a solid connection and everything is working properly. Like I said above I imagine you won't be able to avoid that sensation because you're using a mask that'll concentrate the flow of helium to your mouth and nose.

 

[itsmylastweek]

Itsmylastweek, did the mask actually become physically dislodged from your face in any way or is that more a fear you have about it possibly becoming dislodged? Have you thought of using a CPAP mask that covers a larger area of your face, such as a full-face model?

I'm not sure what to say about the feeling of having helium hit you in the face. Since you're using a mask instead of the oven bag that would fill up more gradually around your head I suspect the "blasted in the face" sensation might be unavoidable.

With the mask you're covering just your nose and mouth so the full flow of the gas is going to be concentrated directly on those areas.

Also could you please name the specific fittings you bought to connect the CPAP hose to the tank of helium?

So I haven't found a full-face model mask, the oven bag seems very prone to failure to me. This method seems to me to be fail-safe but I am worried that the force of the gas means that I wont even be able to take in the first breath. I also read somewhere that high-pressure gas like that could disfigure your face before the mask flies off. I dont know how to control the pressure anymore than just turning the knob ever so slightly to let the minimum most gas out of the tank. Even that minimum seems to be too forceful. I really need a solution.

The fittings I used were 1/4"- 1/4" female flare to go right on the outlet, then it was 1/4"-1/2" bushing, the tap was a 1/2" one. I had to take the tank around to 4 different shops to find the fittings. found them in an Ace Hardware store.

 

[Stan]

Have you got a regulator?

 

[itsmylastweek]

Have you got a regulator?

No, I dont think any regulator fits with this type of tank. I've asked around a lot over the past three days and everyone said they dont have any that could go on this

 

[Stan]

No, I dont think any regulator fits with this type of tank. I've asked around a lot over the past three days and everyone said they dont have any that could go on this

You won't be able to control the rate of gas then. Plus I have a concern that there are quite a few air holes in that mask.

 

[pane]

So I haven't found a full-face model mask, the oven bag seems very prone to failure to me. This method seems to me to be fail-safe but I am worried that the force of the gas means that I wont even be able to take in the first breath. I also read somewhere that high-pressure gas like that could disfigure your face before the mask flies off. I dont know how to control the pressure anymore than just turning the knob ever so slightly to let the minimum most gas out of the tank. Even that minimum seems to be too forceful. I really need a solution.

The fittings I used were 1/4"- 1/4" female flare to go right on the outlet, then it was 1/4"-1/2" bushing, the tap was a 1/2" one. I had to take the tank around to 4 different shops to find the fittings. found them in an Ace Hardware store.

I'm not sure what you mean by being unable to "take in the first breath". I haven't read up on the inert gas/bag method for awhile but as I recall you're supposed to exhale deeply to expel as much remaining oxygen from your lungs as possible before pulling the bag down over your head then inhale to take in the inert gas.

I think in your case what you'd have to do is exhale all the air out of your lungs, hold your breath while putting the mask on then open up the flow of gas and take a big inhale.

I've never heard of inert gas disfiguring someone's face. I don't even know how that's possible.

 

[itsmylastweek]

You won't be able to control the rate of gas then. Plus I have a concern that there are quite a few air holes in that mask.

Yeah, but the holes are there to exhale the co2 out of the mask. I think its okay to have those holes. if not how are we going to get the CO2 out of it and maintain pure helium in it? I think I'll go find a regulator that can go on that tap actually. If I dont find that regulator will I run out of helium gas before I can die?

I'm not sure what you mean by being unable to "take in the first breath". I haven't read up on the inert gas/bag method for awhile but as I recall you're supposed to exhale deeply to expel as much remaining oxygen from your lungs as possible before pulling the bag down over your head then inhale to take in the inert gas.

I think in your case what you'd have to do is exhale all the air out of your lungs, hold your breath while putting the mask on then open up the flow of gas and take a big inhale.

I've never heard of inert gas disfiguring someone's face. I don't even know how that's possible.

I see what you're saying. I'll remember to exhale all the way first before I ever put the mask on. As far as the disfiguring goes, it was actually a tiny bit painful to my nose when I did the testing today.

 

[Stan]

I looked at this method before, can't quote what a mask needs but the bag method needs 15 lpm as a flow rate

 

[Shakespear's Brother]

So I haven't found a full-face model mask, the oven bag seems very prone to failure to me. This method seems to me to be fail-safe

Can you say a little bit more about why you feel this way? That a bag is very prone to failure vs. a mask being fail-safe?

 

[itsmylastweek]

Can you say a little bit more about why you feel this way? That a bag is very prone to failure vs. a mask being fail-safe?

Because the tube slides in from between the neck and the bag, so theres space there for air to seep in. Also the mask is fastened tightly to the face to any chance of survival instinct kicking in and me trying to tug it off are minimal. the bag could be torn off in desperation? I am not too sure but this method seems more solid. I definitely invite any criticism you might have. If the bag method is more sound then I'll go for it.

 

[crea_the_hopeless]

Because the tube slides in from between the neck and the bag, so theres space there for air to seep in. Also the mask is fastened tightly to the face to any chance of survival instinct kicking in and me trying to tug it off are minimal. the bag could be torn off in desperation? I am not too sure but this method seems more solid. I definitely invite any criticism you might have. If the bag method is more sound then I'll go for it.

Idk much about anything but it looks like you need some kind of flow regulator to regulate the pressure. If not it's gonna be too much pressure. Have you tried buying one to fit online?

 

[Ritter]

Because the tube slides in from between the neck and the bag, so theres space there for air to seep in. Also the mask is fastened tightly to the face to any chance of survival instinct kicking in and me trying to tug it off are minimal. the bag could be torn off in desperation? I am not too sure but this method seems more solid. I definitely invite any criticism you might have. If the bag method is more sound then I'll go for it.

The tube is supposed to be taped inside the bag.

There is supposed to be some gap between your neck and the bag, that's why it's recommended it not be airtight to allow co2 to exit the bottom of the bag as the nitrogen continues to fill the top.

The bag method is the most verifiable and tested method using an inert gas, minus the documentation of one successful scuba wearer.

A cpap face-mask allows for SI to kick in more than the bag. Using the bag you hyperventilate prior to pulling the bag over your head ( the bag should be filled prior to pulling down) and you should lose consciousness within a few breaths and around 30 seconds.

The issue with your tank is that it does not have an adequate regulator, your ball valve there isn't enough to ensure there's the proper gas flow. You would have to get an adapter connector to make a LPM flow regulator to fit.

The issues with a face mask is even with it securely fastened the relaxation of muscle tone during unconsciousness often breaks the seal of the mask and causes enough oxygen to get in that will at best lead to a failed attempt and at worst leave you severely brain damaged but still alive.

Trust me no one wants to be found with a plastic bag over their head and a mask definitely seems (on the outside) a better and more dignified method but it is not recommended. I'm not saying you can't make this method work but it looks like it won't be enough.

 

[Dazedandconfused32]

The tube is supposed to be taped inside the bag.

There is supposed to be some gap between your neck and the bag, that's why it's recommended it not be airtight to allow co2 to exit the bottom of the bag as the nitrogen continues to fill the top.

The bag method is the most verifiable and tested method using an inert gas, minus the documentation of one successful scuba wearer.

A cpap face-mask allows for SI to kick in more than the bag. Using the bag you hyperventilate prior to pulling the bag over your head ( the bag should be filled prior to pulling down) and you should lose consciousness within a few breaths and around 30 seconds.

The issue with your tank is that it does not have an adequate regulator, your ball valve there isn't enough to ensure there's the proper gas flow. You would have to get an adapter connector to make a LPM flow regulator to fit.

The issues with a face mask is even with it securely fastened the relaxation of muscle tone during unconsciousness often breaks the seal of the mask and causes enough oxygen to get in that will at best lead to a failed attempt and at worst leave you severely brain damaged but still alive.

Trust me no one wants to be found with a plastic bag over their head and a mask definitely seems (on the outside) a better and more dignified method but it is not recommended. I'm not saying you can't make this method work but it looks like it won't be enough.

It's too much pressure too fast and the amount of helium you'd need long enough to kill you isn't enough. That's why there's a flow regulator that's been used and verified in order to keep the flow needed to ensure successful CTB. I'd go with the bag as previously stated. You tape the tube and allow the CO2 to be released therefore not having to be uncomfortable, SI or risk failure.

Also I'd highly recommend finding some sort of regulator and if needed find a different kind of tank that will support a regulator to achieve what you're looking for.

 

[itsmylastweek]

The tube is supposed to be taped inside the bag.

There is supposed to be some gap between your neck and the bag, that's why it's recommended it not be airtight to allow co2 to exit the bottom of the bag as the nitrogen continues to fill the top.

The bag method is the most verifiable and tested method using an inert gas, minus the documentation of one successful scuba wearer.

A cpap face-mask allows for SI to kick in more than the bag. Using the bag you hyperventilate prior to pulling the bag over your head ( the bag should be filled prior to pulling down) and you should lose consciousness within a few breaths and around 30 seconds.

The issue with your tank is that it does not have an adequate regulator, your ball valve there isn't enough to ensure there's the proper gas flow. You would have to get an adapter connector to make a LPM flow regulator to fit.

The issues with a face mask is even with it securely fastened the relaxation of muscle tone during unconsciousness often breaks the seal of the mask and causes enough oxygen to get in that will at best lead to a failed attempt and at worst leave you severely brain damaged but still alive.

Trust me no one wants to be found with a plastic bag over their head and a mask definitely seems (on the outside) a better and more dignified method but it is not recommended. I'm not saying you can't make this method work but it looks like it won't be enough.

Thank you so much for this honest assessment of my situation. I dont know how the seal of the mask can break when theres a continuous airflow from the tank into the mask. Be that as it may, I need to know what I can do to remedy the situation then.

Would you recommend that I take all of those fittings apart and just attach a tube to the outlet itself? Then buy an oven bag and go for it? I really cant afford to fail with it. Please give me the best solution. I can totally return the CPAP mask and the hose away and just get myself a tube for the oven bag. but then wouldnt the regulator problem come up again? the force of the air might pop the bag?

It's too much pressure too fast and the amount of helium you'd need long enough to kill you isn't enough. That's why there's a flow regulator that's been used and verified in order to keep the flow needed to ensure successful CTB. I'd go with the bag as previously stated. You tape the tube and allow the CO2 to be released therefore not having to be uncomfortable, SI or risk failure.

Also I'd highly recommend finding some sort of regulator and if needed find a different kind of tank that will support a regulator to achieve what you're looking for.

Thank you for your reply, I understand where you're coming from. Can you maybe give me a quick run through as to how to convert my setup for an exit bag? I cannot afford to get another helium tank, I'll have to make this work somehow.

 

[Dazedandconfused32]

Thank you so much for this honest assessment of my situation. I dont know how the seal of the mask can break when theres a continuous airflow from the tank into the mask. Be that as it may, I need to know what I can do to remedy the situation then.

Would you recommend that I take all of those fittings apart and just attach a tube to the outlet itself? Then buy an oven bag and go for it? I really cant afford to fail with it. Please give me the best solution. I can totally return the CPAP mask and the hose away and just get myself a tube for the oven bag. but then wouldnt the regulator problem come up again? the force of the air might pop the bag?

Thank you for your reply, I understand where you're coming from. Can you maybe give me a quick run through as to how to convert my setup for an exit bag? I cannot afford to get another helium tank, I'll have to make this work somehow.

They say all you need is a turkey bag, some kind of tape(I think they've said scotch tape is fine) and the tubing I'm not quite sure as you'd need a fixture to tighten around the tube on the tank and then just run it from behind the back of your neck and tape it there. They say it happens almost instantaneously this way. You blow out all the air in your lungs, then hold your breath and pull the bag over your head. You can use some type of sweat band to hold the bag in place. You don't want it too tight.

They say all you need is a turkey bag, some kind of tape(I think they've said scotch tape is fine) and the tubing I'm not quite sure as you'd need a fixture to tighten around the tube on the tank and then just run it from behind the back of your neck and tape it there. They say it happens almost instantaneously this way. You blow out all the air in your lungs, then hold your breath and pull the bag over your head. You can use some type of sweat band to hold the bag in place. You don't want it too tight.

I'm not sure how to fasten the tube without some kind of regulator. I think this is a must

 

[itsmylastweek]

The tube is supposed to be taped inside the bag.

There is supposed to be some gap between your neck and the bag, that's why it's recommended it not be airtight to allow co2 to exit the bottom of the bag as the nitrogen continues to fill the top.

The bag method is the most verifiable and tested method using an inert gas, minus the documentation of one successful scuba wearer.

A cpap face-mask allows for SI to kick in more than the bag. Using the bag you hyperventilate prior to pulling the bag over your head ( the bag should be filled prior to pulling down) and you should lose consciousness within a few breaths and around 30 seconds.

The issue with your tank is that it does not have an adequate regulator, your ball valve there isn't enough to ensure there's the proper gas flow. You would have to get an adapter connector to make a LPM flow regulator to fit.

The issues with a face mask is even with it securely fastened the relaxation of muscle tone during unconsciousness often breaks the seal of the mask and causes enough oxygen to get in that will at best lead to a failed attempt and at worst leave you severely brain damaged but still alive.

Trust me no one wants to be found with a plastic bag over their head and a mask definitely seems (on the outside) a better and more dignified method but it is not recommended. I'm not saying you can't make this method work but it looks like it won't be enough.

Also, I wanted to add, will I not need a regulator if I just use the bag method instead?

 

[Dazedandconfused32]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/max-dog-regulator-ridiculous-price.18831/

This thread has an option for a cheaper regulator if you continue reading. I wouldn't advise not using a regulator because you need for the helium to keep running for a good bit of time after losing consciousness. You need a regulator whether using the bag or CPAP.

 

[itsmylastweek]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/max-dog-regulator-ridiculous-price.18831/

This thread has an option for a cheaper regulator if you continue reading. I wouldn't advise not using a regulator because you need for the helium to keep running for a good bit of time after losing consciousness. You need a regulator whether using the bag or CPAP.

is it possible to hook up a regulator to the ball valve I've got?

 

[Shakespear's Brother]

Because the tube slides in from between the neck and the bag, so theres space there for air to seep in. Also the mask is fastened tightly to the face to any chance of survival instinct kicking in and me trying to tug it off are minimal. the bag could be torn off in desperation? I am not too sure but this method seems more solid. I definitely invite any criticism you might have. If the bag method is more sound then I'll go for it.

Thanks for replying and explaining. I'm always interested in hearing a different take on this method as it is my first choice and I will just be following PPeH more or less, but I obsess a lot over it and second guess it, so hearing other alternatives is helpful to me. Thanks.

 

[Dazedandconfused32]

is it possible to hook up a regulator to the ball valve I've got?

I'm honestly not sure. I would encourage you to do some research in finding a workable system with what you have. This isn't my area of expertise by any means. I only know the ins and outs because this was my original CTB method. It always pays off to be sure everything is put together correctly verses trying to rush things and make it work. It greatly reduces the risk of failure.

 

[frees]

If you don't have the means to change your setup the best bet would be to ditch the mask and use the tank with an exit bag. When using a balloon tank, i would recommend reading the relevant chapters in the book "Five Last Acts", 2015 edition.

Using a mask by simply piping in gas has a high chance of failure and quite an elevated risk of brain damage.

There are reasons why an exit bag is recommended and not some mask or helmet like everyone seems to find more convenient. In addition, you have to use a bag when no regulation of flow rate is present. There are no regulators that fit a balloon tank. The restrictor by Exit International is not suitable in that case.

To be successful you have to read the instructions in the books. Either the "Peaceful Pill Handbook" or preferably "Five Last Acts", which is better when using the classic ballon tank method.

There is supposed to be some gap between your neck and the bag, that's why it's recommended it not be airtight to allow co2 to exit the bottom of the bag as the nitrogen continues to fill the top.

This a common misconception. Do not leave a gap or the elastic loosely. The gas can escape even when the elastic is painfully tight. Set the elastic to be quite tight when wearing it like a shower cap for the crunch technique, when you pull it down it should be snug around your neck without being uncomfortable or too loose.

 

[itsmylastweek]

Hey everyone, so I finally found the air pressure regulator setup for my helium tank. its now securely setup but as many of you have previously mentioned, the holes on the CPAP mask are making the air retention difficult to sustain the pressure needed. the flap on the nasal compartment is opening up and letting the gas out. So I've decided to go for the exit bag method instead of the CPAP mask. I am attaching the pictures of my regulator setup so far, I now need help with preparing an exit bag and connecting the tube to it securely. If the exit bag preparation gets done in the next two hrs, today is my exit day, if not it will be early tomorrow morning. Please help me get through these last steps guys, thank you to everyone who replied so far ♥

 

[Shakespear's Brother]

This a common misconception. Do not leave a gap or the elastic loosely. The gas can escape even when the elastic is painfully tight. Set the elastic to be quite tight when wearing it like a shower cap for the crunch technique, when you pull it down it should be snug around your neck without being uncomfortable or too loose.

This gap thing and degree of looseness got me all fucked up.

PPeH says:
"neck band of elastic that allows the bag to make a snug, but not tight, fit"
"elastic collar provides a loose fit around the neck when pulled down"

Five Last Acts says:
"It [the bag] should be snug (not tight) around your neck... it does not need to be airtight"

The Guide to Self-Chosen and Humane Death says:
"The seal should not be airtight: under the pressure of the continuous helium flow, any air in the bag will be driven out through gaps between the neck and bag. Some helium should also escape from these gaps."

 

[GerMann]

itsmylastweek do you have already "oven-turkey-bags" and a "elastic Headband"?

 

[Dazedandconfused32]

You need some kind of fitting to keep the hose in place when connected to the tank and for it not to let the helium out. I don't know what it's called though. It's some sort of metal fixture that's round and you can tighten with a screw driver. You don't need anything besides tape to secure the hose to the turkey bag itself.