Has anyone regretted saying too much to a therapist?

[TimetoGo!]

(Sorry if this has a thread already, I couldn't find it on search)

After my CTB attempt, I have mental health nurses wanting to sit down and start therapy..

My question is…..has anyone actually opened up and told their therapist they researched suicide and openly want to die?

Is that a wise thing to say? Id think not.

Has anyone done it and then been referred to hospital on the back of their comments?

Surely it's pointless to sit with a therapist if you have to be so careful about opening up too much!

(Sorry if this has a thread already, I couldn't find it on search)

After my CTB attempt, I have mental health nurses wanting to sit down and start therapy..

My question is…..has anyone actually opened up and told their therapist they researched suicide and openly want to die?

Is that a wise thing to say? Id think not.

Has anyone done it and then been referred to hospital on the back of their comments?

Surely it's pointless to sit with a therapist if you have to be so careful about opening up too much!

Will my therapist report me or hospitalize me if I tell them I have suicidal thoughts?

Therapists are ethically and legally required to report if a person is a danger to themselves or other people. Again, that usually means you have a plan to end your life, and you have the means to do it — but every therapist assesses risk differently!

Who they report to depends on state and local laws, but it's usually some kind of public health authority with the power to enforce involuntary treatment. If you're under 18 and your therapist thinks you're at serious risk of hurting yourself, your parents will probably be notified.

Keep in mind that this usually only happens when there's a really high level of danger. Your therapist probably isn't going to jump into emergency-mode at the first mention of suicidal thoughts. Fear of escalation shouldn't keep you from reaching out and getting the help you need.

 

[chr74]

when i spoke to mental health team they did make clear thats it very common and not unusual for a lot of people to have suicidal thoughts

id think (hope) that if you open up about suicidal thoughts they will try to help you rather than trap you

 

[TimetoGo!]

when i spoke to mental health team they did make clear thats it very common and not unusual for a lot of people to have suicidal thoughts

id think (hope) that if you open up about suicidal thoughts they will try to help you rather than trap you

Did you tell them?

 

[SexyIncél]

My personal experience: in some places, you can find anonymous therapy

My therapist refuses to give me up to the state. But I only knew this after knowing each other a couple years. Because of certain things about me, they know this is a big no-no

Therapists can get in trouble for this. So my therapist needs to know I'm too careful for that. And I treat them well. Furthermore, so they have something to tell a judge, I offhandedly threaten I'd execute a suicide pact immediately if they betray me. No need to act dramatic, they know what I'm doing, we're just being safe

But different therapists have different backgrounds. Someone here said their therapist lied, and betrayed them to parents. This is unacceptable, a therapist helps build you. Just the threat of betrayal causes untold damage, they can't help build you right if they do this sneaky shit

I'd guess most therapists suck. Which is ok for many people, but we need next-level therapists

 

[TimetoGo!]

My personal experience: in some places, you can find anonymous therapy

My therapist refuses to give me up to the state. But I only knew this after knowing each other a couple years. Because of certain things about me, they know this is a big no-no

Therapists can get in trouble for this. So my therapist needs to know I'm too careful for that. And I treat them well. Furthermore, so they have something to tell a judge, I offhandedly threaten I'd execute a suicide pact immediately if they betray me. No need to act dramatic, they know what I'm doing, we're just being safe

But different therapists have different backgrounds. Someone here said their therapist lied, and betrayed them to parents. This is unacceptable, a therapist helps build you. Just the threat of betrayal causes untold damage, they can't help build you right if they do this sneaky shit

I'd guess most therapists suck. Which is ok for many people, but we need next-level therapists

Did you ever mention SaSu?

 

[NoHorizon]

My experience is that unless you tell someone you have an imminent plan (ie "I'm going to jump in front of a train tomorrow morning"), then they won't escalate things, but you'll want to gauge it based on how you feel about your therapist.

 

[TimetoGo!]

My experience is that unless you tell someone you have an imminent plan (ie "I'm going to jump in front of a train tomorrow morning"), then they won't escalate things, but you'll want to gauge it based on how you feel about your therapist.

Probably best not telling her how I really feel then

 

[SexyIncél]

Did you ever mention SaSu?

Yes, definitely. They can't do their job competently otherwise. Especially because their client was 4 days from shooting their head off, and SaSu people solved the underlying problem. We had to figure out wtf that happened

My last session ended with me ranting about the health industry's deadliness. After mentioning that ChatGPT repeats the ridiculous claim that medical associations aren't cartels. It argued they're legal, and have ethical codes. Which are irrelevant to the concept of "cartel"

And being a critical, intelligent person, my therapist listened to their industry's flaws. Knowing these things obviously makes them a better therapist

 

[Unending]

I've always clarified what I can and can not say without being involuntarily hospitalized every time I see a new therapist or psychiatrist. I've never personally had a problem taking this route and it lets me know exactly where my trust for them should start and end.

 

[sadjenny]

I have, yes. I have many years experience talking to therapists and usually it has been okay. I have learned to preface statements with the phrase "I have no active plan to end my life and do not feel I am a danger to myself at this time," even if it is a lie. But I have messed up on occasion. Most recently just two days ago! I narrowly escaped "grippy sock jail" (ie the psych ward) and now have a social worker who is calling every morning to assess my safety. If I miss her call, it is my understanding that I will have the ambulance called on me. So, yeah, not great.

It sucks if you are actually trying to feel better, but have to censor yourself to avoid being referring to hospital. I sympathize, friend. Be safe, okay? Just try your best.

I've always clarified what I can and can not say without being involuntarily hospitalized every time I see a new therapist or psychiatrist. I've never personally had a problem taking this route and it lets me know exactly where my trust for them should start and end.

 

[chr74]

Did you tell them?

yes absolutely, all they said was try not to do it again (attempt suicide), im in the UK by the way, im not sure how things differ in other countries

services where i am (south west) are quite strained so i dont think they really want to put people into hospital if they can avoid it, and would rather people were at home

 

[trist]

i was in therapy as a minor after a suicide attempt so i couldn't really avoid talking about it, but when i did, i didn't get in trouble. i think you should be ok if you say that you don't have a specific plan.

 

[huntergirl14]

I think saying too much to anyone, regardless of if they are a therapist, a friend or a family member is not really good. I have always regretted it because the moment I tell them the truth, their behavior towards me will completely change when I don't really want that.
A lot of the time I am not looking for any advice but just Ears who would listen.

 

[TAW122]

While (this was over 5-6 years ago when I last saw a mental health professional) I never mentioned nor dabbed in the topic of CTB or death, as that is just too risky and ever since I was a teenager I always had the fear of 'revealing too much' or just simply saying the wrong thing and then consequences beyond my control would happen, making things overall much worse for me. Therefore, I never talked about that let alone reveal too much.

I thing I would say is that I regret investing too much time and effort to many appointments (at least 10 or so with one therapist, mental health professional) while I was in university and what not. At best, it was a waste of time, and at worst, I was talking to a figurative wall. I only ever (temporarily) recovered in 2019 because I met my ladyfriend and fulfilled important personal milestones and goals. Therapy didn't do shit for me (maybe venting but even then I could never truly vent without risk of intervention or things going out of control), religion wasn't helpful either, and coping simply just didn't work (in the long term), but mere distractions.

 

[TimetoGo!]

yes absolutely, all they said was try not to do it again (attempt suicide), im in the UK by the way, im not sure how things differ in other countries

services where i am (south west) are quite strained so i dont think they really want to put people into hospital if they can avoid it, and would rather people were at home

Yeh mate I am in the UK as well ……same in the north west regarding services

 

[chr74]

i kind of get the feeling here that the services just accept there is only so much they can do and ultimately suicide/attempts are high for people with long term depression (which i have), and more so with males than females i believe

in a way i dont mind this system as the worst of course would be if as soon as you mention you are feeling suicidal you are thrown in a padded cell!

 

[Roseate]

Yes but I eventually learned what I can or cannot say. My therapist have this idea in her mind that somehow if I make friends or become more social then somehow I will be more functional and less depressed. But I spend most of my life just being functional depressed. The past few months, I haven't been able to function much. And I really doubt friendships will help, it will just add a whole new set of conflicts on top of my issues.

 

[chr74]

i know what you mean Roseate, i think it;s because they probably think extroverts have better mental health for example so they try to get introverts to be more like extroverts (ie. make friends and be sociable etc)

i even read that people who are more creative types are more prone to depression and anxiety as opposed to people better at maths and logic etc, so they try to get creative types to do maths or logic puzzles to see if it helps

 

[resolutory]

A streamer who was in the psych ward (not while they were streaming) told me you have to kind of play a game with therapists whereby you tell them what you really feel like but without going to the point where they'd be concerned enough to institutionalize you.

 

[Roseate]

i know what you mean Roseate, i think it;s because they probably think extroverts have better mental health for example so they try to get introverts to be more like extroverts (ie. make friends and be sociable etc)

i even read that people who are more creative types are more prone to depression and anxiety as opposed to people better at maths and logic etc, so they try to get creative types to do maths or logic puzzles to see if it helps

That's interesting. I never knew that. But the thing is I've tried it. It's exhausting. It's just a distraction. Once I'm alone, it all flood back to me.

 

[chr74]

im on your side Roseate, ive tried it a lot also. ive tried to imitate others who are doing well in a bid to try to be well myself, but it didnt work, all i end up with is faking it.

i even tried to be less creative and got into computer programming for a year, sadly it didnt work and i sucked at it haha (due to not having that maths type of brain)

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Yes, I was too honest. Yes, it cost me big time. Yes, I'll never be over it.

I don't think it's worth it to bring it up to a therapist. Most of them can't relate to such a state and are too freaked out by it to be of any use.

 

[Roseate]

im on your side Roseate, ive tried it a lot also. ive tried to imitate others who are doing well in a bid to try to be well myself, but it didnt work, all i end up with is faking it.

i even tried to be less creative and got into computer programming for a year, sadly it didnt work and i sucked at it haha (due to not having that maths type of brain)

So nothing worked? gosh that really sucks.

 

[chr74]

yea its a disaster to be honest, im currently also taking vortioxetine 20mg and aripiprazole 2.5mg to try to get on top of my depression but im still just full of apathy and anhedonia, i just dont enjoy anything anymore and dont want to be here, i think some people are just not destined for old age.. sorry to sound so negative, its my stupid brain

 

[absolomonisgone]

read book "psychiatrist: the science of lies"

 

[Aisley]

I think you already know. You can never un-say something. You can only regret the shit you have said. And a therapist won't be able to help any of your particular problems, or reasons to ctb. You're not here for mental reasons. Beside that, I hope thInge are under control with your wife. Been thinking about you lately, and totally not in a creepy way.

 

[man_in_red:)]

Yes, every time I have opened up I have been sent to a ward with no say so. Psychology is literally the art of deception used by our therapist "friends" to make us conform to the mainstream ideology, the pro lifer ideology. Most sessions only give a temporary good feeling then it's back to same old same old. oh well, at least the hospital chicken sandwiches were tasty.

 

[absolomonisgone]

Yes, every time I have opened up I have been sent to a ward with no say so. Psychology is literally the art of deception used by our therapist "friends" to make us conform to the mainstream ideology, the pro lifer ideology. Most sessions only give a temporary good feeling then it's back to same old same old. oh well, at least the hospital chicken sandwiches were tasty.

will be 50 october 1 my death day. chosen. decided. ...aha. i decide my dying day and nobody can do anything about it. and i tell you, human knowledge is bullshit. all human knowledge. why? because i been there, done that, seen that.

 

[man_in_red:)]

will be 50 october 1 my death day. chosen. decided. ...aha. i decide my dying day and nobody can do anything about it. and i tell you, human knowledge is bullshit. all human knowledge. why? because i been there, done that, seen that.

indeed, I also wish they wouldn't push meds on problems that are obviously more than just chemical imbalances, but there is money in meds. We are nothing but money to them, most of them anyway.

 

[absolomonisgone]

indeed, I also wish they wouldn't push meds on problems that are obviously more than just chemical imbalances, but there is money in meds. We are nothing but money to them, most of them anyway.

when you have days before death, life gets dense and deep. i understand you very clearly.