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Jean Améry

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Mar 17, 2019
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That was reassuring for me anyway. I don't mind confiding in him. If and when I ctb I want to make it the most informed decision of my life - and chatting with him I think will help.
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That's great, it really is. In order for any kind of social intervention to be succesful there must be mutual trust which clearly is the case here. I do hope if you were to decide to CTB and were to reveal concrete plans he won't have a change of heart and try to report you to the authorities.

I used to have a similar thing going: it was a humanistic counselor (not mental health field related, more like social and spiritual support but non-religious and therefore secular) and she was great. Non-judgemental and I could talk openly about my thoughts of suicide since she believed in my right to self-determination. She even told me of a client of her that actually did commit suicide and had revealed this to her beforehand. I loved her for that: clearly she did not like it but accepted that person's decision without question. I did warn her to tell her suicidal clients to avoid any mention of suicide and plans through a traceable medium as this could land her in hot water with the law.

Sadly that organization no longer offers longer term support in that way but it sure was helpful to me. I'm sure a lot of psychotherapy could too if it wasn't for the insane mental health laws forcing therapists to involve coercive psychiatry at the first sign of trouble just to avoid being accused of a crime (in my country it's generally considered as 'not rendering aid to a person in dire need') and face liability charges.

I applaud your decision to strive for your possible CTB to be the most informed decision of your life. That is the essence of rational suicide wich is what I strive for aswell and which I believe should be legalized everywhere.

Everyone here should think long and hard about this decision since it will have severe consequences on many levels but truth be told I believe most people here are in that process and do think it through and want to discuss things with others to make sure it's a sound, well thought-out decision.

This is why this forum is so valuable: free speech, pro choice and pro harm reduction through providiing information on reliable, relatively peaceful methods.
 
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Meretlein

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We're absolutely not alone. Sectioning/involuntary commitment is known to be an independent risk factor for suicide, even AFTER people escape, I mean, um, are discharged from the wards. Anyone can Google the many, many horror stories of people who've suffered through involuntary commitments. They can be so bad that insurance companies have had to design special policies for psychiatrists and clinical psychologists--and some insurance companies no longer carry either.

Do you ever feel a physical reaction in your body when reading other peoples' involuntary commitment stories? I can't bring myself to read the, they bother me too much.
 
ManWithNoName

ManWithNoName

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Feb 2, 2019
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I applaud your decision to strive for your possible CTB to be the most informed decision of your life. That is the essence of rational suicide wich is what I strive for aswell and which I believe should be legalized everywhere.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts as well. And indeed, rational suicide is what any ctb should be. This was described by the Stoics eons ago:
 
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Jean Améry

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts as well. And indeed, rational suicide is what any ctb should be. This was described by the Stoics eons ago:


Indeed. Among the Romans in general rational suicide in the case of military or political defeat or ill health or fortune was regarded as noble. The stoics held that it was wise to leave this life at the proper time, after carefully examining the matter and without great emotion clouding one's judgement. Seneca above all held this view, as hundreds of passages in his work show. Many ancient philosophers and noblemen left life voluntarily.

Perhaps I should make a thread about this so we can discuss it further. Perhaps other members who may not know much about philosophy or this subject in particular may find it interesting. It's always a good idea to broaden one's horizons.
We're absolutely not alone. Sectioning/involuntary commitment is known to be an independent risk factor for suicide, even AFTER people escape, I mean, um, are discharged from the wards. Anyone can Google the many, many horror stories of people who've suffered through involuntary commitments. They can be so bad that insurance companies have had to design special policies for psychiatrists and clinical psychologists--and some insurance companies no longer carry either.

Indeed. I've read that the risk of suicide spikes after being released from a mental hospital. They explain this away as the return of depression but I'm quite sure the abuse and degrading treatment people suffer is can be what pushes many over the edge. This is highly immoral and completely counterproductive. Psychiatry pushes people to suicide, it doesn't save them from it.

Many people experience symptoms of PTSD after going through the mental health system, especially if the stay was involuntary. Psychiatry makes people sick, it doesn't cure them. To call this medicine is a tragic farce.
 
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Jean Améry

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Do you ever feel a physical reaction in your body when reading other peoples' involuntary commitment stories? I can't bring myself to read the, they bother me too much.

Revulsion and a slight fear it might happen to me someday? Sure. Of course I have no personal experience with this but I do empathize and did experience my own trauma as a result of psychiatric 'treatment'.
 
FTL.Wanderer

FTL.Wanderer

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May 31, 2018
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Do you ever feel a physical reaction in your body when reading other peoples' involuntary commitment stories? I can't bring myself to read the, they bother me too much.

Yes, absolutely. It's repugnant that the state empowers others to imprison you for thinking and feeling differently or deciding to do with your own flesh what suits you.
 
ManWithNoName

ManWithNoName

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Perhaps I should make a thread about this so we can discuss it further. Perhaps other members who may not know much about philosophy or this subject in particular may find it interesting. It's always a good idea to broaden one's horizons.
That would be great, Jean. Please do. Is there a possibility the MODs could set up a separate forum dedicated to just philosophical discussions?
 
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Psilo

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Dec 29, 2018
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Probably some reverse psychology trick. Still rather cold and heartless.
Yes thats not really professional from the therapist, its like she is daring you to do it.
 
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Xaphous

Xaphous

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Nov 11, 2018
550
In UK It will get you sectioned while receiving no help at all or combined with forced medication, that's how they deal with it, pathetic and angering. Probably the same in US if they don't shoot you first.
 
BandAddict

BandAddict

Specialist
Apr 3, 2019
338
I tend to keep my "plans" as vague as I can manage. That way they can't pin point exactly what it is I need to be protected from, and speaking calmly helps reduce any major concerns. Of course I've been considerably detailed a few times, landing me in a psych hospital if I hadn't already tried to ctb. :/
 
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AveryConure

AveryConure

Some idiot
May 11, 2018
437
My therapist actually told me she wasn't a fan of putting people in psych hospitals unless they seemed psychotic or were in immediate danger of hurting someone else or themselves so unless for some reason I told her I was going to immediately shoot myself after a session she's not going to immediately press the panic button like too many therapists I've seen.

I've had alters rant to her though about suicide or killing my father but she knows for the most part they're blowing shit or just venting so she lets those slide too.
 
Rex2019

Rex2019

Can't wait for the summer
Feb 23, 2019
128
People on this site had told me it's a bad idea. Apparently, it can go into your permanent record and cause you trouble later during health insurance and what not. But I've never tried it. So no first hand experience, I'm afraid.


Has anybody spoken to a therapist and disclosed their ctb intentions?

If so, what were their reactions? Did he / she respect that right to die is as valid as the right to life?
 
TheBlackSwordsman

TheBlackSwordsman

Student
Apr 24, 2019
115
Welp, there goes the idea of trying therapy. I enjoy my freedom of movement too much even though I hardly ever leave my room. I dont want to be forcefully cooped up. Years ago one of my high school friends had a breakdown and went to a local psych ward. I went to visit him and I thought to myself there is no way I would ever go to a place like that. Struggling with this makes me feel sooo lonely and isolated. It's sadly ironic since I am surrounded by people but I have no one I can feel comfortable talking to about my struggle. Why couldn't I be normal like most everyone else? Why did I make the choices and engage in the behaviors I did? I feel like a freak, like I'm not a member of the human species.
 
FatalSystemError591

FatalSystemError591

{He/They}
Oct 12, 2020
229
My last two therapists and psychiatrist knows of my ideation. As far as they know I have no plans, just fantasize about it as a means of escapism.
 
Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
20,718
Yes I have told my current therapist that I intend to do it if I can't get a relationship by the time I turn 30 in about 3 years. She said that much time makes it so she doesn't have to report me to anyone because that should be plenty of time to work on it. I haven't told her yet that I changed my time to when I'm 28 instead and that I'm even less likely to get a relationship now. I probably won't have this therapist anymore after I graduate this semester so I don't know if I should find another one yet.
 
muffin222

muffin222

Enlightened
Mar 31, 2020
1,188
No. I do see a therapist, but I carefully choose my words in our sessions to avoid igniting any suspicion. During our first session, my therapist point-blank emphasized that if I expressed suicidal intent she would be obligated to get the police involved. That's the last thing I need right now.
 
VelvetHippo

VelvetHippo

Made of Styrofoam
Aug 3, 2020
5
I told my therapist I desperately wanted to die earlier this year.

I got a free taxi ride to a hospital, a psychiatrist spoke to me for a tiny bit, then sent me away with the standard list of numbers, and saying that they would call me daily.

Spent the rest of the day trying to get home as I had no bloody idea where the hospital actually was lol.
 
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yabadabadoo

Member
Nov 17, 2020
23
my therapist made it explicitly clear that she would violate confidentiality in the case of a suicidal or homicidal inclination so I never told her.
 

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