ManWithNoName

ManWithNoName

Enlightened
Feb 2, 2019
1,224
Has anybody spoken to a therapist and disclosed their ctb intentions?

If so, what were their reactions? Did he / she respect that right to die is as valid as the right to life?
 
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Iceangel

Loveless
Mar 9, 2019
69
I dont know about outside the US but inside if you tell them you plan on killing yourself theyre legally required to do something. (Aka lock you away). If your talking about just casual conversation like "oh ive had suicidal thoughts for years but im handling it" then, at least in my experience, theyll let it slide.
 
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bigF

New Member
Mar 4, 2019
2
I disclosed suicidal ideation to the dean of my school and they wouldn't allow me to leave unless I walked with them to counseling. 0/10 do not recommend.
 
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Pulpit2018

Pulpit2018

Experienced
Oct 8, 2018
287
I disclosed suicidal ideation to the dean of my school and they wouldn't allow me to leave unless I walked with them to counseling. 0/10 do not recommend.

Did they physically restrain you?
 
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TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
6,706
I never have and never will. It is simply too dangerous and risky to do so as they have all the leverage against the patient, up to and including involuntary commitment (by force). I also haven't seen a therapist in almost a year now (only went once to get an eval for SSI -- since SSA requires some medical documentation as part of the claim).
 
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Roberto

Wizard
Jan 19, 2019
684
I said to my psychologist that I had the mediums already to suicide. I had the amytriptiline cocktail.. She says that it's ok. They can't stop me from doing it. So ... I'm freee!
It's obvious that the state don't care. As long I don't make harm to anyone and follow the laws.
 
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Jc40

Jc40

Specialist
Mar 3, 2019
354
I wouldn't say anything to cpn because it's too risky. They have a duty of care. I can always deny plans. She once came to my flat and I had a rope up over my door and I went involuntary to hospital but saying I have SN and I'll use it when I'm ready would be stupid and it would be taken away. I can talk about suicidal thoughts but deny plans and intent. I've got this place now anyway where can be completely open about it.
 
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Roberto

Wizard
Jan 19, 2019
684
One day I will surprise them. I'm not sure. May be they think I'm just calling for attention. I don't care. More freedom for me. I'm just a problem for them.
 
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Psilo

Arcanist
Dec 29, 2018
482
Has anybody spoken to a therapist and disclosed their ctb intentions?

If so, what were their reactions? Did he / she respect that right to die is as valid as the right to life?
It was several years ago in the, I told the psych I wanted to kill myself. She answered "I can't do anything for you here, you need to be hospitalized"(mad house).
I lost my shit after that and went out from there, my mother tried to stop me because she wanted me to get help. I shout at her like she was part of that conspiracy against me, she didnt deserve that.

Story short don't say anything, it only alarms you psych.
 
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Fucking loving it

Fucking loving it

Specialist
Sep 3, 2018
378
I have. I was hospitalized on the spot. The hospital is across the street from where I get counseling. Two security guards walked me over. I was told I go voluntarily or be committed. I went voluntarily. I don't want any judge making decisions for me. Fuck that. BIG mistake.
 
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Sundayafternoon

Sundayafternoon

Cosmic panic
May 18, 2018
394
I've no issue telling them I serious ideation but I always throw in...no immediate plans.

Doc just ups my dosage.

One therapist (the one I'd visited the longest and actually liked) told me she doesn't attend funerals. I said, good because i don't plan on having one and if so, you wouldn't be on guest list anyway.

We had a good laugh.
I have. I was hospitalized on the spot. The hospital is across the street from where I get counseling. Two security guards walked me over. I was told I go voluntarily or be committed. I went voluntarily. I don't want any judge making decisions for me. Fuck that. BIG mistake.

This should not be legal.
 
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Fucking loving it

Fucking loving it

Specialist
Sep 3, 2018
378
I've no issue telling them I serious ideation but I always throw in...no immediate plans.

Doc just ups my dosage.

One therapist (the one I'd visited the longest and actually liked) told me she doesn't attend funerals. I said, good because i don't plan on having one and if so, you wouldn't be on guest list anyway.

We had a good laugh.
That's what I do. I tell them that I am not going to do it now. They do the same, up my ketamine dosage.
 
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Olach

Student
Feb 4, 2019
113
When i spoked about my ideation, psychologist sent me to psych yard for a month
 
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TreatmentDidntWork

TreatmentDidntWork

Member
Mar 15, 2019
26
I have, and I was sent to a psych ward pretty immediately. I was also a minor at the time, though, so that may have had something to do with it.

My current counselor, I disclose suicidal ideation, but I do not talk about methods or dates. I'm actually planning on trying to talk to her more about it next time I see her- try and explain my rationale. This may not be a good idea- but the worst they can do is a 72 hour hold, and I seriously doubt she'll lock me up for anything less than an immediate threat of suicide.
 
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Meretlein

Meretlein

Moderator
Feb 15, 2019
1,199
I have. I was hospitalized on the spot. The hospital is across the street from where I get counseling. Two security guards walked me over. I was told I go voluntarily or be committed. I went voluntarily. I don't want any judge making decisions for me. Fuck that. BIG mistake.

Was it traumatizing? My trip to one of those places was horrific and I will never forget it as long as I live.
 
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ManWithNoName

ManWithNoName

Enlightened
Feb 2, 2019
1,224
I said to my psychologist that I had the mediums already to suicide. I had the amytriptiline cocktail.. She says that it's ok.
What country did this conversation take place in? I'm just curious, and this is purely speculation - because if it is the USA, and if she said such a thing in to a man, in a nation where all the other therapists will push the panic button and have the person committed, then I'm going to assume that hat the female therapist in question and is a feminist, and you both are living in a man hating society, she probably be quite pleased to see any man ctb.
 
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Nihil

Nihil

Student
Mar 4, 2019
111
Never. Involuntary commitment is a giant fear of mine. I've been tempted in the past, but almost every therapist I've spoken to states they are legally required to take action the moment they learn from you that you intend to harm yourself, and/or others. I get the homicidal part, but with respect to the suicidal part, well...some of the horror stories I have seen, as well as what the numerous other people here sharing their experiences over how the psychiatric system only made things worse (possibly not true for everyone though), motivates me to keep silent about anything related to suicide, no matter how small. I regularly see a counselor, a psychiatrist, and a psychotherapist in managing my depression, anxiety, and past traumas. The therapy does help, but anytime they ask anything suicide-related, I always deny it. Last time my psychotherapist met with me, she was intentionally exploring to see if I was really suicidal. Got her to believe I wasn't, but I swear...any hint that they may detect you're suicidal, and you could be held against your will. Even choosing to say "I prefer not to answer" when they ask if you're suicidal is enough of a hint that they can detect you're suicidal. I said that once in college, and literally three professionals deduced I was, but it took a lot of legal talk, red tape, and convincing that I was well enough to leave without any involuntary commitment being enacted. I now always answer a fat solid NO whenever anyone asks anything suicide-related.

Important Note: If you truly feel you need emergency psychiatric care, then do what you feel is best. I get not all mental hospital stories are horrible, and for some people, it could supposedly be beneficial. I know my antidepressant has been helping me, as have my counseling sessions. If you need it, there is no shame in getting professional help. Sometimes the related therapies can be especially helpful in improving some parts of your life, and sometimes we all just need some external help to get better. That having been said, this is especially important for anyone wanting to go out by shooting themselves with a firearm. If you live in the U.S., regardless of state laws, at the federal level, anyone who has been involuntarily committed to a mental institution or is "adjudicated as a mental defective" can be banned from legal firearm ownership for life until the state/federal government grants you relief and determines you are no longer a danger to yourself or others, and determines through its own evaluations that you have been able to successfully reintegrate back into society. I don't know how the process goes exactly with restoring your firearm rights, but it can be quite hard, costly, and lots of legal yuck. Having a mental illness and/or getting treatment for it doesn't disqualify you from owning guns; it is only when you get involuntarily committed (like admitting to the therapist anything suicide-related) or if a judge mandates some kind of official court order that you would be classified as a "mental defective" (which a judge can easily do if you've admitted to being a suicide risk). I realize that term is kind of offensive, but it's the legal terminology used by the goverment. Voluntary commitment to a mental institution and/or being able to leave after a 72 hour initial psychiatric assessment from a proposed commitment won't take away your firearm rights.

I only say the above for anyone living in the U.S., and who may be considering suicide via firearm. If that is something you want to someday be able to do, or at least have it as an option, be very careful about opening up about anything suicide-related to therapists. It's the main reason I strongly avoid involuntary commitment at all costs, and why I always deny any form of suicidal ideation, no matter how small. See ATF Form 4473 Question 11.f to get all the legal specifics when it comes to how you could lose your firearm rights with respect to mental health, as well as all the other factors that could bar you from gun ownership via the other questions on that federal background check form.
 
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ManWithNoName

ManWithNoName

Enlightened
Feb 2, 2019
1,224
I dont know about outside the US but inside if you tell them you plan on killing yourself theyre legally required to do something. (Aka lock you away). If your talking about just casual conversation like "oh ive had suicidal thoughts for years but im handling it" then, at least in my experience, theyll let it slide.
It seems like the bottom line is this : if one is serious about ctb, shut the fuck up about it with the therapists.

What if one is in the USA and is having a skype call with a therapist who is located in south America? I have a colleague in Chile, fully fluent in English, is a Chilean national who is a psychiatrist -- been thinking about chatting with him. I'd be in America while he is in Chile - wonder if there would be any global laws / agreements that would require him to contact authorities in the U.S.?
 
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Meretlein

Meretlein

Moderator
Feb 15, 2019
1,199
It seems like the bottom line is this : if one is serious about ctb, shut the fuck up about it with the therapists.

What if one is in the USA and is having a skype call with a therapist who is located in south America? I have a colleague in Chile, fully fluent in English, is a Chilean national who is a psychiatrist -- been thinking about chatting with him. I'd be in America while he is in Chile - wonder if there would be any global laws / agreements that would require him to contact authorities in the U.S.?

I have heard of people calling the police on someone internationally on r/suicidewatch. :(
 
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_milo

_milo

Member
Mar 16, 2019
65
My therapist is aware I think of CTB a lot but I would never say anything about intentions or plans. Insta-hospitalization.
 
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LivingToLong

Experienced
Feb 23, 2019
259
Has anybody spoken to a therapist and disclosed their ctb intentions?

Yes and yes. I had to rephrase my intention as a desire, otherwise the session was over as the therapist said they would have to alert my doctor before we could continue.
 
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deflagrat

deflagrat

¡Si hablas español mándame un mensaje privado!
Apr 9, 2018
360
I guess it's different in Spain, I told 3 different psychiatrists and nurses and noone did anything. I think deep inside they don't give a fuck, they simply do their job and that's it. Besides, I told them I would do it when my parents die and that will take a long time. What I can't say is that I am hoarding amitriptyline cocktails because I will stop getting those, as far as they can tell it's for depression and anxiety.
 
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Olach

Student
Feb 4, 2019
113
In Italy, for example, the doctor put me for 3 months in psych ward
 
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ShadowOfTheDay

ShadowOfTheDay

Hungry Ghost
Feb 14, 2019
331
I've spoken to several psychiatrists, psychologists and therapists, and was always fully transparent about my suicidal thoughts, because I genuinely wanted to get "better." I was "committed" on several occasions, and although it was miserable, I was willing to undergo whatever treatment necessary to "fix" my mind. Having since come to the realization that probably nothing will help me, I will never speak to another mental health advisor again. I just don't have the willpower to try anymore.
 
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AhG

AhG

La vie est tout sauf un rêve
Jan 24, 2019
313
Well not really therapist, but they basically are, but I've explained to one of my family members and a close "friend" that I've had intentions of catching it, and nothing has been said to me but the phrases "It'll get better", "It takes time", "everything's going to be ok", and my all time favorite, "everything happens for a reason, that isn't one." .-.
 
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TheGoodGuy

TheGoodGuy

Visionary
Aug 27, 2018
2,996
I dont know about outside the US but inside if you tell them you plan on killing yourself theyre legally required to do something. (Aka lock you away). If your talking about just casual conversation like "oh ive had suicidal thoughts for years but im handling it" then, at least in my experience, theyll let it slide.
I disclosed suicidal ideation to the dean of my school and they wouldn't allow me to leave unless I walked with them to counseling. 0/10 do not recommend.
And people believe they are free, damn sheeps.
 
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Iceangel

Loveless
Mar 9, 2019
69
And people believe they are free, damn sheeps.
The only thing we're born into this world with is our body. Thats the only thing we keep with us our entire lives. The fact it's criminalized to do with our one worldly possession what we will with it is the exact opposite of freedom.
 
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