Has any of you gotten rid of stress wrinkles ?

[Marine]

It's really driving me insane how bad my forehead in particular has gotten in the past 2 years with the plandemic's wholesale destruction given how I haven't lived my youth yet and I need to rejuvenate no matter what in order to have any chance at becoming beautiful. I'm 32 right now and feel more like 25 at most...

And I sincerely think, like Howl, that there is no point in living if I can't be beautiful (not imposing that view on others, just how I feel), and that means young. I don't think there's anything superficial about caring about your incarnation AND the rest. It may not be important to everyone but it deeply is to me and that's perfectly legitimate. So I'm adressing people who understand that.

I'm actually getting more suicidal because of this and I don't want this to end me and take away any chance at living I may have.

Anti age products and beauty treatments aren't doing anything so far, I absolutely can't afford any plastic surgery or filler sadly.

My energy and finances are so low regular exercise is complicated, but I'll take suggestions if it helped. I was thinking of looking into Qi Gong maybe to re-ease into exercise but I'm still overwhelmed and barely functional because isolation, existential rejection and a toxic environment have made my bulimia spin out of control, so any kind of progress is extremely daunting because I'm so exhausted and brain fogged most of the time (therapists / doctors don't help btw). I still try to eat nutritionally dense foods whenever I can but I can't seem to sustain it or restriction yet and always go back to BS out of despair and exhaustion. I drink a lot of water though.

I ordered vegan collagen and a hyaluronic acid serum, I'm also thinking of buying face cups but since the main issue is extreme stress, and the only way I have to deal with that is essential oils, some things I like and the very occasional connection I get I feel like it should be targeted specifically but don't know how so if you have any positive experience in getting rid of stress caused oxydation I'd be extremely grateful !

 

[Foresight]

I'm a skincare enthusiast because I have facial scarring. What are you using? Tretinoin is the only researched and confirmed affordable option to improve wrinkles but be careful! Go as light as can be with it. I prefer retinols because of less side effects. Another thing you can do is dermastamping. Dermarolling is obsolete and damaging, it causes tears and more issues. Stamp every other week and use retinol or tretinoin on it sparsely, not daily.

The worst offender for wrinkles is sun exposure. Stress for sure, illness, diet, etc. but if anything staying inside would be beneficial and if you're not hypervigilant about sunscreen I would get on it. If you smoke or vape anything consider quitting.

If you're 32 then you're at the age it starts showing up usually.

If finances are in order in the future and you think beauty = life then invest in a plastic surgeon's office for skincare. I don't recommend dermatologists, I don't recommend estheticians. Find the leading surgeon on skin rejuvenation in your area and pay a visit. They have better research and better tools. They will probably have a team with nurses, estheticians, etc but they're trained with the surgeon. You can get a good laser treatment or peel for your forehead and see improvement. Just the forehead won't drain your bank account. Do erbium laser, not co2 which will cause more problems. Or opt for peels if laser is scary or too expensive. Once the damage is done treatment is the only route to bring significant improvement. Tretinoin/retinols will improve it but it'll take time and Tret has a list of possible side effects. I've sworn off tretinoin and only use high quality retinols because of side effects of swelling, irritation, and tone issues.

You don't need filler, you need a resurfacing and collagen stimulation.

Eating disorders and skincare don't mix well but I know that's not an easy matter. That's something to consider for recovery.

Dr Dray is the best influencer to follow and learn more. I know she might be a cliche at this point but she knows her shit.

 

[Marine]

Kudos to you. Facial scarring must be really hard to deal with. How did that happen if you're ok talking about it ?

What about collagen and hyaluronic acid ? Are they not as effective as retinol ?

There are so many options that I tend to get lost. I've almost never cared for my skin most of my life until I approached 30...

Staying inside any more will kill me, I've done it for most of my life, my ED keeps me shut in most of the time (so sun isn't the culprit) and I need to truly live now, and that means going outside (I don't mean sunbathing, it gets too hot directly exposed to the sun for too long here anyway). That's whay SPF is for.

Do you recommend a type of dermastamp in particular ?

I have to mention that I have developped extremely sensitive and reddening blotchy skin on my forehead and cheeks (potentially some kind of rosacea but dermatologists were useless) due to a medication I used to be on so I have to be careful which product I use and find a way to fix that as well...

This is what I'm using + aloe vera gel :

Morning mosturizer

Daily Facial Moisturizer with Sunscreen SPF 35 | Cetaphil US

This nourishing lightweight facial sunscreen moisturizer protects against UVA and UVB rays while providing immediate oil-free hydration that lasts for 24-hours.

www.cetaphil.com

Night mosturizer

Nouvelle Vie Cream -

www.guinotusa.com

Former serum (ran out of it so I'm going to use the smoothing one on the photo I think until the hyaluronic acid one + collagen supplement get there, the other one is quite harsh on my sensitive skin, the cream is too rich for me too)

Cetaphil Hydrosensitive Deep Hydration Serum | Cetaphil US

Discover our Cetaphil Hydrosensitive deep hydration serum that instantly absorbs and deeply replenishes skin's hydration, improving your skin's overall quality.

www.cetaphil.com

Before makeup

Derma Liss -

www.guinotusa.com

I din't think the BB Cream I use is adapted for my skin since it gets really flaky and doesn't cover much yet it shines way too much despite mattening it but I don't know what kind of foundation I should get...

I don't smoke or vape, I don't drink alcohol either.

If I ever get that kind of money, obviously I will do that, but right now I'm on disability benefits and can barely afford my rent so it's out of the question. Even if I manage to get a job it's not likely to be a high pay (I want to work as a waitress then hopefully find a way to start an associative café) and I can't afford to do extra jobs if they take a lot of time or stamina.

Are peels with an esthetician worth anything or not ? Does the price vary from that of a surgeon ? It's fairly expensive here already.

I'm fully aware that the ED keeps me from living, but the source of it is lovelessness + isolation and attempting to recover my entire life hasn't led to anything long term since the source of the problem is not resolved.

I'll look her up.

Thank you for your recommendations !

 

[gottablast888]

you mentioned vegan collagen... im guessing youre vegan. there is no such thing as vegan collagen, its only found in animal products. eating more animal fat and protein will fix your skin. and limit sugar. i have reversed lines by eating more fatty animal products.

 

[Marine]

you mentioned vegan collagen... im guessing youre vegan. there is no such thing as vegan collagen, its only found in animal products. eating more animal fat and protein will fix your skin. and limit sugar. i have reversed lines by eating more fatty animal products.

There are vegetal equivalents thankfully.

 

[Foresight]

You have to stimulate formation and repair the damage done. Dermastamping causes a wound for the body to repair and rebuild. Tretinoin/retinols have a complex mechanism and there aren't products like them in terms of what they do on a cellular level. With most products what you're really doing is preventative measures to ensure skin health and slowing of further aging. Other products can make you look better for sure. Less splotchy, less dry, etc but specifically for any indented wrinkling or atrophy you need to kickstart the cells to change any damage. Peels do this as well. Peels are wonderful and affordable if you put aside a little each month.

All my skin damage was from ill health and more than one skin disease. Milk consumption was especially damaging. All of my skin repair and rejuvenation was done as a vegan. Dr dray is also plant based as well. I just want to throw that out there because I've had documented scar revision repair as a vegan and all my trouble was during a period of meat and dairy consumption. A lot of people with skin diseases end up plant based for healing. I'm not saying anything other than that's my experience and my observation from the community. It was the right choice for my condition. I wouldn't say eating anything or supplementing anything will be all you need to do to repair visable damage or atrophy. Eating well, whatever that means for your body, will create healthier new cells coming in and will make you look better. It doesn't hurt but if you want a full rejuvenation it won't provide stunning results. It's more supportive to the big mechanisms in rejuvenation of microneedles, peels, retinols/retinoids, lasers, radiofrequency microneedling, etc that work with stripping and changing what has been done so far and creating a cascade of new formation.

 

[Marine]

You have to stimulate formation and repair the damage done. Dermastamping causes a wound for the body to repair and rebuild. Tretinoin/retinols have a complex mechanism and there aren't products like them in terms of what they do on a cellular level. With most products what you're really doing is preventative measures to ensure skin health and slowing of further aging. Other products can make you look better for sure. Less splotchy, less dry, etc but specifically for any indented wrinkling or atrophy you need to kickstart the cells to change any damage. Peels do this as well. Peels are wonderful and affordable if you put aside a little each month.

All my skin damage was from ill health and more than one skin disease. Milk consumption was especially damaging. All of my skin repair and rejuvenation was done as a vegan. Dr dray is also plant based as well. I just want to throw that out there because I've had documented scar revision repair as a vegan and all my trouble was during a period of meat and dairy consumption. A lot of people with skin diseases end up plant based for healing. I'm not saying anything other than that's my experience and my observation from the community. It was the right choice for my condition. I wouldn't say eating anything or supplementing anything will be all you need to do to repair visable damage or atrophy. Eating well, whatever that means for your body, will create healthier new cells coming in and will make you look better. It doesn't hurt but if you want a full rejuvenation it won't provide stunning results. It's more supportive to the big mechanisms in rejuvenation of microneedles, peels, retinols/retinoids, lasers, radiofrequency microneedling, etc that work with stripping and changing what has been done so far and creating a cascade of new formation.

Someone on MPA suggested a morning moisturizer with retinol (and SPF) that supposedly worked really well for them so I'll try it. Thanks.

So is any dermastamp good then or are there things I should consider in particular ? I've seen a few on Amazon. Since it can also help with hair regrowth I'll get one with an adjustable needle lenght I think.

I still eat dairy products occasionnally and have trouble getting rid of them since vegan equivalents just aren't the same... I'll keep that in mind though because that's scary.

I hope I'll manage to save money for peels then eventually.

All the very young and good looking people I know have an almost impeccable diet and my skin deterioration had been very noticeable since the plandemic / relapse of my bulimia (it's non vomiting so it's especially damaging since fasting doesn't get rid of every bad thing injested, just some calories). My whole system is dead though I do my best to care for it with aloe vera juice, purges, vitamins and supplements... I think I had the best skin when all I ate was fruit and vegetables... So wish I could do that again but I only seem able to when I'm not alone and loveless... I need this hell to end...

Thanks a lot ! That was very informative.

 

[Foresight]

It's simple technology so any stamp will do. I know dermarolling is more mainstream but it's inferior design to the stamp. The rolling itself is not good to do to the skin. It pulls and tears when you want even and safe wounds. I did some damage to my skin early in my DIY scar treatments and had to find out what that was about.

As far as depth, each area of your face will need a different depth. The forehead is thin. I like to be cautious so 0.25 to 0.5 mm is the deepest for the forehead. Remember to keep to once every other week. People do it more but they're not allowing for good healing inbetween. I know for scarring patience wins out over overdoing any treatment. Same goes for retinol, ease into it and let your skin acclimate.

Peels will run $125 to $300 in office. Medium depth and deep peels are extraordinary expensive and you don't need them. You can get into light peels at home with lactic acid and glycolic acid. I personally recommend you keep it light at home. I'm just super cautious.

 

[Marine]

It's simple technology so any stamp will do. I know dermarolling is more mainstream but it's inferior design to the stamp. The rolling itself is not good to do to the skin. It pulls and tears when you want even and safe wounds. I did some damage to my skin early in my DIY scar treatments and had to find out what that was about.

As far as depth, each area of your face will need a different depth. The forehead is thin. I like to be cautious so 0.25 to 0.5 mm is the deepest for the forehead. Remember to keep to once every other week. People do it more but they're not allowing for good healing inbetween. I know for scarring patience wins out over overdoing any treatment. Same goes for retinol, ease into it and let your skin acclimate.

Peels will run $125 to $300 in office. Medium depth and deep peels are extraordinary expensive and you don't need them. You can get into light peels at home with lactic acid and glycolic acid. I personally recommend you keep it light at home. I'm just super cautious.

I forgot about it but I've been having difficulty healing scars on my face lately, it takes way longer than usual, would that be a problem ?

How long does it usually take before seeing results ?

I'll see if I can find these products then, it's definitely interesting if I can try it at home first.

 

[gottablast888]

There are vegetal equivalents thankfully.

if it worked you wouldnt have made this thread lol... after 30 your body needs a boost in collagen if you want to stay looking your age. vegetables do nothing. i was a vegan in my teens and had more signs of aging then than now at 28 my eyes were sinking in, eyelids were sagging and i had some weird line in my cheek when i smiled

 

[Foresight]

I would say that's a reason to start retinol now because it will assist in getting that process moving faster. If you feel your skin is slow to heal then maybe stamp every month. People stamp or roll every week but I think that's a mistake. Skin needs more time to rebuild but some people have stacking theories about it. The studies I've read do it every 2 weeks. A month would be ample time to heal. Everything you're doing here is effective but basic. If and when you see a surgeon they obliterate your face lol. You'd be surprised what the skin can take.

Results will take 12 weeks the earliest but things really start to show 9 months or more. It takes time, you're working with your natural cell regeneration so that's a process.

if it worked you wouldnt have made this thread lol... after 30 your body needs a boost in collagen if you want to stay looking your age. vegetables do nothing. i was a vegan in my teens and had more signs of aging then than now at 28 my eyes were sinking in, eyelids were sagging and i had some weird line in my cheek when i smiled

You lost me at vegetables do nothing for skin. That's simply wrong on a lot of levels.

@Xion You can watch dr days videos on the subject or read up on the opinions of other experts if you want variety. It's an interesting and expansive subject.

 

[Marine]

if it worked you wouldnt have made this thread lol... after 30 your body needs a boost in collagen if you want to stay looking your age. vegetables do nothing. i was a vegan in my teens and had more signs of aging then than now at 28 my eyes were sinking in, eyelids were sagging and i had some weird line in my cheek when i smiled

That's corpse industry propaganda and I haven't received it yet so I would have made that thread. Also I need to look younger, not my age. I already look younger than my age despite having the stress oxydation issue, just not enough.

I would say that's a reason to start retinol now because it will assist in getting that process moving faster. If you feel your skin is slow to heal then maybe stamp every month. People stamp or roll every week but I think that's a mistake. Skin needs more time to rebuild but some people have stacking theories about it. The studies I've read do it every 2 weeks. A month would be ample time to heal. Everything you're doing here is effective but basic. If and when you see a surgeon they obliterate your face lol. You'd be surprised what the skin can take.

Results will take 12 weeks the earliest but things really start to show 9 months or more. It takes time, you're working with your natural cell regeneration so that's a process.

You lost me at vegetables do nothing for skin. That's simply wrong on a lot of levels.

@Xion You can watch dr days videos on the subject or read up on the opinions of other experts if you want variety. It's an interesting and expansive subject.

Alright, thank you so much for your thorough advice ! ^^
That's a lot of time though, damn... I should have covered some necessary bases though now so I'm going to trust the process.

 

[CTBgenuine]

It's really driving me insane how bad my forehead in particular has gotten in the past 2 years with the plandemic's wholesale destruction given how I haven't lived my youth yet and I need to rejuvenate no matter what in order to have any chance at becoming beautiful. I'm 32 right now and feel more like 25 at most...

And I sincerely think, like Howl, that there is no point in living if I can't be beautiful (not imposing that view on others, just how I feel), and that means young. I don't think there's anything superficial about caring about your incarnation AND the rest. It may not be important to everyone but it deeply is to me and that's perfectly legitimate. So I'm adressing people who understand that.

I'm actually getting more suicidal because of this and I don't want this to end me and take away any chance at living I may have.

Anti age products and beauty treatments aren't doing anything so far, I absolutely can't afford any plastic surgery or filler sadly.

My energy and finances are so low regular exercise is complicated, but I'll take suggestions if it helped. I was thinking of looking into Qi Gong maybe to re-ease into exercise but I'm still overwhelmed and barely functional because isolation, existential rejection and a toxic environment have made my bulimia spin out of control, so any kind of progress is extremely daunting because I'm so exhausted and brain fogged most of the time (therapists / doctors don't help btw). I still try to eat nutritionally dense foods whenever I can but I can't seem to sustain it or restriction yet and always go back to BS out of despair and exhaustion. I drink a lot of water though.

I ordered vegan collagen and a hyaluronic acid serum, I'm also thinking of buying face cups but since the main issue is extreme stress, and the only way I have to deal with that is essential oils, some things I like and the very occasional connection I get I feel like it should be targeted specifically but don't know how so if you have any positive experience in getting rid of stress caused oxydation I'd be extremely grateful !

Botox, fillers, mesotherapy and threads are CHEAP IF YOU DIY! Sounds daunting right?....but there's alot videos on YT and it's easy to do and cheap to buy online. I do my own DIY everything and I even charge people to do theirs because they like my work lol.

 

[Marine]

Botox, fillers, mesotherapy and threads are CHEAP IF YOU DIY! Sounds daunting right?....but there's alot videos on YT and it's easy to do and cheap to buy online. I do my own DIY everything and I even charge people to do theirs because they like my work lol.

How do you do yourself something that normally requires a plastic surgeon ? I'd be scared and suspicious...

 

[CTBgenuine]

How do you do yourself something that normally requires a plastic surgeon ? I'd be scared and suspicious...

No it doesn't require a plastic surgeon! These treatments are all non invasive and to be qualified to perform this requires a 2hr course.
I've studied YT videos and books plus lots of self practice. I had my lips done in 2012, it cost £340 and the practitioner botched it. I do my lips myself now and it cost £40, looks great and I've never botched my lips or anyone else's.
I'll include a good DIY lip filler video for you to watch

How do you do yourself something that normally requires a plastic surgeon ? I'd be scared and suspicious...

How do you do yourself something that normally requires a plastic surgeon ? I'd be scared and suspicious...

I'm not encouraging you to do this. I'm saying if you can't afford it then DIY is an option. If you're not comfortable than obviously don't do it

 

[Marine]

No it doesn't require a plastic surgeon! These treatments are all non invasive and to be qualified to perform this requires a 2hr course.
I've studied YT videos and books plus lots of self practice. I had my lips done in 2012, it cost £340 and the practitioner botched it. I do my lips myself now and it cost £40, looks great and I've never botched my lips or anyone else's.
I'll include a good DIY lip filler video for you to watch



I'm not encouraging you to do this. I'm saying if you can't afford it then DIY is an option. If you're not comfortable than obviously don't do it

That seems potentially messy if you don't know what you're doing / aren't very skilled but I'll keep it in mind in case I absolutely need it, thanks. That's interesting to know that exists at least. Does it work for any area of the face ?

 

[NumbItAll]

I don't think you need lots of fancy products for a good anti-aging regimen. A good retinoid will treat wrinkles, but it takes months of consistent use to take full effect. Tretinoin is the gold standard for this and has the most evidence for efficacy. I personally use adapalene which is meant for acne but may help with aging and is available over the counter where I am. Retinol is the least potent retinoid since it requires the most conversion steps by your skin, but it could still be a good starting point and is easily available. Neutrogena Rapid Wrinkle Repair cream is a nice all in one retinol/moisturizer and should be well tolerated. Make sure to start slowly with any retinoid since they can be irritating and take time for your skin to adjust to.

Other than that, a good moisturizer and sunscreen are necessary. I like CeraVe PM because it contains lots of good ingredients like niacinamide, hyaluronic acid, and ceramides, plus it is light and absorbs nicely. Other products I use and like: Differin Resurfacing Scar Gel (seems to have cleared my acne marks, and bakuchiol is a promising ingredient that needs more research) and Toniiq Hyaluronic Acid capsules w/ vitamin C (more research needed but I swear it made my skin glow). Finally, "slugging" is a great technique which just involves using petroleum jelly or a petrolatum-based product on dry areas to keep the skin hydrated. It is very greasy so it's best to do it overnight, but I find it to be very effective, particularly under my eyes.

Altogether I have noticed a huge difference since adopting a skin care routine, but patience and consistency are needed. I don't know much about various procedures other than Botox is really effective. Sorry you are stressing about this so much... hopefully this helps a little. Of course aging is inevitable, but you can still have skin that looks good and healthy. Oh yeah I highly recommend Dr. Dray on YouTube who is a dermatologist with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things skin care related.

 

[CTBgenuine]

That seems potentially messy if you don't know what you're doing / aren't very skilled but I'll keep it in mind in case I absolutely need it, thanks. That's interesting to know that exists at least. Does it work for any area of the face ?

I would NEVER do nose or forehead filler because it's dangerous, even for professionals and the risks of blindness are high.
Botox is safe and easy to do but you need to be wary of placements or you could drop your brows, but that's temporary and returns to normal. The best treatment for forehead lines is botox!

 

[Marine]

I don't think you need lots of fancy products for a good anti-aging regimen. A good retinoid will treat wrinkles, but it takes months of consistent use to take full effect. Tretinoin is the gold standard for this and has the most evidence for efficacy. I personally use adapalene which is meant for acne but may help with aging and is available over the counter where I am. Retinol is the least potent retinoid since it requires the most conversion steps by your skin, but it could still be a good starting point and is easily available. Neutrogena Rapid Wrinkle Repair cream is a nice all in one retinol/moisturizer and should be well tolerated. Make sure to start slowly with any retinoid since they can be irritating and take time for your skin to adjust to.

Other than that, a good moisturizer and sunscreen are necessary. I like CeraVe PM because it contains lots of good ingredients like niacinamide, hyaluronic acid, and ceramides, plus it is light and absorbs nicely. Other products I use and like: Differin Resurfacing Scar Gel (seems to have cleared my acne marks, and bakuchiol is a promising ingredient that needs more research) and Toniiq Hyaluronic Acid capsules w/ vitamin C (more research needed but I swear it made my skin glow). Finally, "slugging" is a great technique which just involves using petroleum jelly or a petrolatum-based product on dry areas to keep the skin hydrated. It is very greasy so it's best to do it overnight, but I find it to be very effective, particularly under my eyes.

Altogether I have noticed a huge difference since adopting a skin care routine, but patience and consistency are needed. I don't know much about various procedures other than Botox is really effective. Sorry you are stressing about this so much... hopefully this helps a little. Of course aging is inevitable, but you can still have skin that looks good and healthy. Oh yeah I highly recommend Dr. Dray on YouTube who is a dermatologist with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things skin care related.

I looked up tretinoin because I remembered that someone I know uses it but it requires a doctor's prescription here, probably from a dermatologist. Its interaction with the sun is also kinda scary.

I bought Neutrogena's Firming Cream for now.
I hope my skin will be ok with it. My esthetician is not very helpful and only tries to make me buy super expensive products and treatments... I don't really feel respected there. I'll try another one when the appointments I've bought in bulk run out.

Is hyaluronic acide better used directly on the skin or through ingestion ? I didn't know that was a thing. I already take a multivitamin though because of my ED and constant fatigue.

I need my 20s back since I didn't get to live them, and many people manage to look 10 years younger in their 30s, though they were probably infinitely more priviledged than I was so healthier for longer, but I maintained a healthy diet and exercise routine for a while before getting so sick and my genes aren't the worst, I think stress, bulimia and barely ever caring for my skin before are the main culprits here and I need to make it work anyway. If I get a chance at living at all that is since I'm still cursed so far...

Thank you. I haven't found specific videos about anti aging from her, at least she doesn't seem to have a playlist about that but I'll keep looking.

Thank you.

 

[NumbItAll]

I looked up tretinoin because I remembered that someone I know uses it but it requires a doctor's prescription here, probably from a dermatologist. Its interaction with the sun is also kinda scary.

Tretinoin is likely to cause irritation at first, but it is safe to use. It will be deactivated by sunlight, but that can be avoided by using sunscreen or just using it at night. But yes it requires a prescription so retinol is a good starting point.

Is hyaluronic acide better used directly on the skin or through injestion ? I didn't know that was a thing. I already take a multivitamin though because of my ED and constant fatigue.

Hard to say because there is only limited research on it as an oral supplement. It's a lot more proven for topical use so that's why I still like to have it in my moisturizer.

 

[Marine]

Tretinoin is likely to cause irritation at first, but it is safe to use. It will be deactivated by sunlight, but that can be avoided by using sunscreen or just using it at night. But yes it requires a prescription so retinol is a good starting point.


Hard to say because there is only limited research on it as an oral supplement. It's a lot more proven for topical use so that's why I still like to have it in my moisturizer.

When do you use it then in your skin care routine ? After all the other products ?

 

[NumbItAll]

When do you use it then in your skin care routine ? After all the other products ?

Which product? My routine is basically:

AM: cleanse, moisturizer, adapalene gel
PM: cleanse, scar gel, moisturizer

(slug as necessary)

So nothing too fancy here but I am happy with the results!

 

[Marine]

Which product? My routine is basically:

AM: cleanse, moisturizer, adapalene gel
PM: cleanse, scar gel, moisturizer

(slug as necessary)

So nothing too fancy here but I am happy with the results!

The tretinoin. Ok so I could potentially use it after my night moisturizer then.

 

[Funeralprincess]

It's really driving me insane how bad my forehead in particular has gotten in the past 2 years with the plandemic's wholesale destruction given how I haven't lived my youth yet and I need to rejuvenate no matter what in order to have any chance at becoming beautiful. I'm 32 right now and feel more like 25 at most...

And I sincerely think, like Howl, that there is no point in living if I can't be beautiful (not imposing that view on others, just how I feel), and that means young. I don't think there's anything superficial about caring about your incarnation AND the rest. It may not be important to everyone but it deeply is to me and that's perfectly legitimate. So I'm adressing people who understand that.

I'm actually getting more suicidal because of this and I don't want this to end me and take away any chance at living I may have.

Anti age products and beauty treatments aren't doing anything so far, I absolutely can't afford any plastic surgery or filler sadly.

My energy and finances are so low regular exercise is complicated, but I'll take suggestions if it helped. I was thinking of looking into Qi Gong maybe to re-ease into exercise but I'm still overwhelmed and barely functional because isolation, existential rejection and a toxic environment have made my bulimia spin out of control, so any kind of progress is extremely daunting because I'm so exhausted and brain fogged most of the time (therapists / doctors don't help btw). I still try to eat nutritionally dense foods whenever I can but I can't seem to sustain it or restriction yet and always go back to BS out of despair and exhaustion. I drink a lot of water though.

I ordered vegan collagen and a hyaluronic acid serum, I'm also thinking of buying face cups but since the main issue is extreme stress, and the only way I have to deal with that is essential oils, some things I like and the very occasional connection I get I feel like it should be targeted specifically but don't know how so if you have any positive experience in getting rid of stress caused oxydation I'd be extremely grateful !

You could learn DIY fillers and Botox. Lots of YouTube's have taken anatomy classes and learned how to do it safely. Products are a couple hundred dollars but that's much less than in office. Beauty is important to me too, but sadly at 25 it's all faded because of stress and pain. As a woman, if you don't have beauty you have nothing. Our value is derived from that regardless of what others try and say. The world is shallow

 

[Foresight]

As a woman, if you don't have beauty you have nothing. Our value is derived from that regardless of what others try and say. The world is shallow

Maybe if you're an actress or model, not in regular life. If you have other traits you still have life. No one is going to be like you have a good career? You're happy and kind? You're into cool stuff like music, philosophy, art, nature or sports? You're an interesting person with passion and zeal? But you have a wrinkle in your forehead, begone. Do we only see gorgeous women out and about living life? No, average and below average are out there too.

I'm not going to stoop low and play the old being legitimately ugly isn't so bad card. I know it lowers quality of life by a lot, but just aging is natural. Your life is not over because you have a couple imperfections, that's a perspective issue. Some people choose to continue to live their best lives in their 40s, 50s, 60s by living through their self love and their passions. A perspective shift in your 20s and 30s would be important on top of self care treatments. This type of thinking is really continuing a notion that is outdated. Women can live life and strive for more if they want. There's more to life than beauty. Take care of yourself and let life happen too. Having a complex about minor flaws is going to hold you back more than the imperfections themselves if they aren't disfigurements.

 

[Marine]

I still don't get why people think legitimately caring about your incarnation is shallow in any way but in my case I'm pretty sure I have many good psychological traits and human qualities but not being beautiful has prevented me from living, litterally.

I've never interested anyone enough by being interesting, kind, loving, having many passions, having psychological knowledge and introspection or anything. I've always being rejected by everyone I've loved or been attracted to, and my physical state as well as confidence plays a huge part in this, though I'm not deformed or particularly ugly but I love beautiful people. I expect they have high standards as well, that certainly seems to be the case.

But most importantly I need it for myself, my standards, that only I get to decide. I've missed out on everything because I've close to never been happy in my own skin, mostly due to my trauma caused ED, also damaging treatments, and no amount of therapy, research and reflection on this has helped whatsoever. I don't want to be average, that equals ugly for me, I want to be beautiful, and I don't want a life without beauty or love or fulfillment. Those are my dearest values. To each their own.

My biggest issue with that is my ED though... I don't know how to fix that at this point. Mass rejection induced despair and the loss of all of my activites and social circles are overwelming and sabotaging each attempt I make...

 

[Funeralprincess]

Maybe if you're an actress or model, not in regular life. If you have other traits you still have life. No one is going to be like you have a good career? You're happy and kind? You're into cool stuff like music, philosophy, art, nature or sports? You're an interesting person with passion and zeal? But you have a wrinkle in your forehead, begone. Do we only see gorgeous women out and about living life? No, average and below average are out there too.

I'm not going to stoop low and play the old being legitimately ugly isn't so bad card. I know it lowers quality of life by a lot, but just aging is natural. Your life is not over because you have a couple imperfections, that's a perspective issue. Some people choose to continue to live their best lives in their 40s, 50s, 60s by living through their self love and their passions. A perspective shift in your 20s and 30s would be important on top of self care treatments. This type of thinking is really continuing a notion that is outdated. Women can live life and strive for more if they want. There's more to life than beauty. Take care of yourself and let life happen too. Having a complex about minor flaws is going to hold you back more than the imperfections themselves if they aren't disfigurements.

As an older ugly girl I heavily disagree with you so don't speak from a place you aren't in

 

[Weebster]

I'm in my 30s, sleep rarely, am always stressed, and I have no wrinkles because the only beverage I consume is water.

 

[Marine]

I'm in my 30s, sleep rarely, am always stressed, and I have no wrinkles because the only beverage I consume is water.

I'm pretty sure that's not the only factor to wrinkles ^^ But good for you.

I think very few people attain my level of stress too, I'm kind of a champion in that area though I'm working on what I can control, and there are many other things at play. You said you were attractive so chances are you must have a somewhat healthy lifestyle. Or have lucky genetics potentially.

I just hope my case is reversible. It's very recent and associated to extreme levels of stress and unhealthy circumstances - thanks plandemic - so I'm gonna try and fix that on top of caring for my skin. I also have japanese standards who have super smooth foreheads without a single wrinkle and these guys usually stay young until they're 50 at least so. It's not like I look like a dehydrated apple (hopefully) but I can't have wrinkles yet. Too much to live before that.

 

[Weebster]

I'm pretty sure that's not the only factor to wrinkles ^^ But good for you.

I think very few people attain my level of stress too, I'm kind of a champion in that area though I'm working on what I can control, and there's many other things at play. You said you were attractive so chances are you must have a somewhat healthy lifestyle. Or have lucky genetics potentially.

I just hope my case is reversible. It's very recent and associated to extreme levels of stress and unhealthy circumstances -thanks plandemic - so I'm gonna try and fix that on top of caring for my skin. I also have japanese standards who have super smooth foreheads without a single wrinkle and these guys usually stay young until they're 50 at least so. It's not like I look like a dehydrated apple (hopefully) but I can't have wrinkles yet. Too much to live before that.

My healthy lifestyle consists of taking a multivitamin, vitamin c pills, eating food with low sugar, drinking water, and avoiding the sun (because it's evil).