Help hanging vs sn

[Cheza_mus]

Forgive me for asking a seemingly dumb ass question.. But from the information i have gathered here hanging seems to be better than sn... Why arent people using it instead of sn

 

[Maeve]

I chose sn because i can die in my bed and at least kinda look natural like no equipment and stuff so it hopefully is less traumatic 4 the people that i care about

 

[FuneralCry]

Because after all SN is a reliable poison that many people have died from and hanging is a more barbaric method that I would see as being more difficult to overcome the survival instinct with, I would also just fear hanging failing and leading to more suffering.

 

[アホペンギン]

Hanging would be better in some cases if one can't afford to buy SN for whatever reason but if you're perfectly capable of acquiring SN then i think its much better, if you follow the protocol correctly and carefully, you will die in peace. If you want to do hanging, partial would be better, just find the sweet spot and you won't suffer very much.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Hanging would be better in some cases if one can't afford to buy SN for whatever reason but if you're perfectly capable of acquiring SN then i think its much better, if you follow the protocol correctly and carefully, you will die in peace. If you want to do hanging, partial would be better, just find the sweet spot and you won't suffer very much.

Part of me thinks that Benzos are actually crucial with this method to help with calmness.

 

[アホペンギン]

Part of me thinks that Benzos are actually crucial with this method to help with calmness.

Yes, this is true. You'll panic because of SI and the drastically increased heart rate.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Yes, this is true. You'll panic because of SI and the drastically increased heart rate.

And trust me, having dealt with high heart rate over the last two years, benzos are required in my opinion to help with it because to someone who isn't use to it because it'll cause their SI to kick in very hard. I definitely think something like Alprazolam which is what I got will make a huge difference come the time I will take it.

 

[phersper]

Full suspension hanging, if you don't get rescued or if there's no technical issues, you'll die 100%. SN if you follow the stat protocol is kinda reliable but the more I read the more I'm convincing myself it's easier to fail the attempt, because of vomiting of because your body will naturally survive the poisoning. Considering that in most cases with full suspension you lose consciousness in 15-20 sec, wheres with SN it could take up to 1 hour (with all the possible quite painful symptoms included), I'm not even sure we can say SN is less painful. I'm my opinion full suspension is wayyyy less risky in terms of failure possibility.

 

[MiraiShisen]

Forgive me for asking a seemingly dumb ass question.. But from the information i have gathered here hanging seems to be better than sn... Why arent people using it instead of sn

Yes I agree I have no other options because of money so I am choosing hanging but even If I could decide bewteen SN and Hanging I would choose hanging... I feel like I ingested poison for years and I dont wanna die same way I live. For me nitrogen/helium bag is best option right now alongside with nembutal which is impossible to get (from what I heard)

 

[EndJstifiesTheMeans]

I think full hanging is the best
i mean hanging should have 100% succes rate

 

[CW36]

1. FSH (Full suspension hanging)
2. SN

This is ranked in terms of how quick the process is, how accessible it is, and how likely it'll be successful. FSH wins on all counts.

Bear in mind that SI could save you with SN I e. vomiting and calling for help. They'll be no second chances with FSH.

I wouldn't even consider partial, unless you fancy taking big risks with big decisions.

 

[MiraiShisen]

1. FSH (Full suspension hanging)
2. SN

This is ranked in terms of how quick the process is, how accessible it is, and how likely it'll be successful. FSH wins on all counts.

Bear in mind that SI could save you with SN I e. vomiting and calling for help. They'll be no second chances with FSH.

I wouldn't even consider partial, unless you fancy taking big risks with big decisions.

why partial is taking big risks ? Whats the difference between full and partial in term of risks ? My only option is partial thats why I am asking dont freak me out :D

 

[momentomori5]

why partial is taking big risks ? Whats the difference between full and partial in term of risks ? My only option is partial thats why I am asking dont freak me out :D

Maybe in partial, if SI kicks in you won't go through with it, despite wanting it? Or that you could slip out of the knot when losing conciousness, since it relies more on you weighing on the rope rather than the tightness of it? While full suspension there's no chance of you going back on it or saving yourself, or slipping out of it if done right? I'm not too sure

 

[020x]

And trust me, having dealt with high heart rate over the last two years, benzos are required in my opinion to help with it because to someone who isn't use to it because it'll cause their SI to kick in very hard. I definitely think something like Alprazolam which is what I got will make a huge difference come the time I will take it.

I take alprazolam (xanax) against panic attacks and they work perfectly. I'm sure I'll use a good dose of it when my time comes.

 

[MiraiShisen]

Maybe in partial, if SI kicks in you won't go through with it, despite wanting it? Or that you could slip out of the knot when losing conciousness, since it relies more on you weighing on the rope rather than the tightness of it? While full suspension there's no chance of you going back on it or saving yourself, or slipping out of it if done right? I'm not too sure

But when preparation are right it should be pretty much reliable aside of part where your SI kick in that seem to be biggest risk.

 

[momentomori5]

But when preparation are right it should be pretty much reliable aside of part where your SI kick in that seem to be biggest risk.

Yeah, I guess that's where the risk is. But nothing benzos can't help calm down, right?

 

[Wyldfyre4948]

Hanging is a cheaper and more available option, but you have to deal with your SI as you wait to fall unconscious.

SN could be more passive after it's taken. You'll probably puke but the back up drink should make things certain.

Both methods have drawbacks. Speaking from experience hanging is difficult to overcome your SI. It's not as easy as just sinking down and waiting to lose consciousness like I originally thought.

 

[CW36]

why partial is taking big risks ? Whats the difference between full and partial in term of risks ? My only option is partial thats why I am asking dont freak me out :D

I'm sorry for the scare, but I'm basing that statement on the fact that with partial, around one in twenty five attempts are successful. You can't guarantee the noose won't come loose mid attempt, or that the unconscious body with stand up and save itself. With a decent setup and no wannabe heroes, full is a guaranteed one way ticket. So yes, partial does work, but supposedly less than 5% of the time.

Maybe in partial, if SI kicks in you won't go through with it, despite wanting it? Or that you could slip out of the knot when losing conciousness, since it relies more on you weighing on the rope rather than the tightness of it? While full suspension there's no chance of you going back on it or saving yourself, or slipping out of it if done right? I'm not too sure

Correct.

 

[momentomori5]

or that the unconscious body with stand up and save itself

I sure wouldn't want my body to move around tryna be my own hero saving me when I wanna die, too creepy and too inconvenient

Would it be possible for something like that to happen when brain damage starts to occur though? Like a few mins in? Kinda like how your body moves a bit while you're dying/you're already dead but you're unconcious to it all?

 

[Hodius]

I think hanging is probably the best method, but finding a location is difficult for me

 

[CW36]

I sure wouldn't want my body to move around tryna be my own hero saving me when I wanna die, too creepy and too inconvenient

Would it be possible for something like that to happen when brain damage starts to occur though? Like a few mins in? Kinda like how your body moves a bit while you're dying/you're already dead but you're unconcious to it all?

Indeed!

No, not from any kind of intelligence, but perhaps still from a movement in body position affecting the noose. Some positions would be more prone to this problem than others. But that scenario would of course be the worst outcome.

 

[MiraiShisen]

I'm sorry for the scare, but I'm basing that statement on the fact that with partial, around one in twenty five attempts are successful. You can't guarantee the noose won't come loose mid attempt, or that the unconscious body with stand up and save itself. With a decent setup and no wannabe heroes, full is a guaranteed one way ticket. So yes, partial does work, but supposedly less than 5% of the time.

Correct.

Ok I got it but how you can in partial loose a noose ? Yes I get it when you somehow stand up (stop applying pressure on neck) and then somehow loose it, thats why its not reccomended to do it with your legs straight and like sitting in air or how to describe it because your body will not accidentaly stand up from that position as if we say for example when you are using kneel position. Other than that seem impossible to affect process or?? I got it that full is 100 % more reliable and partial has a more space for failure but you can pretty much diminish this problems with using proper knots (slip knot - if you are applying pressure it should not loose itself) and proper position. I would go full but I in my room it is impossible to find such a place.... guess I will take risks because I have no other option.

Btw from what source you have that 5 % succes rate ? (Not doubting you but I am curious and I would like to read more about that) How about Tourniquet method ? Are there some stats ? If its more reliable than partial maybe I would go this way but I still dont know how to fix from moving an item I would use to tighten up noose. But it does seem to be good method, you can lay in bed instead of doing it in wardrobe or against doors etc...

Yeah, I guess that's where the risk is. But nothing benzos can't help calm down, right?

or some alcohol before it heh and ciggarete to calm down.

 

[CW36]

Yes, you're right about using a slipknot, but the positions of partials both have their pros and cons. If you're in a sitting, prone, kneeling position then less pressure is applied, meaning the margin for error (pressure ) is smaller. It might be perceived a little more comfortable, however, survival doesn't depend on standing up, it could mean any change in position. And the less pressure applied, the more likely you'll not cut off the carotids quick enough, leading to the likely build of of pressure in the head before blackout, which is both undesirable and leaves a more marcabe sight. So I'd say if I was to attempt partial, I'd still go for having a higher up position. If you can't attempt full than that's understandable. That source I believe was from Geo Stone's SAAS. It suck in my head. I'd say psychologically, partial would be easier to approach and indeed defeat SI. Your bodies gravity is doing the labour there, but the tourniquet, you're physically manipulating the squeeze. A little alcohol is a good idea before hand yes. They offered that to all the condemned in England to different degrees. That's where the term 'on the wagon comes from', cause they'd then stopped at the last pub for a pint before the gallows.

 

[momentomori5]

Indeed!

No, not from any kind of intelligence, but perhaps still from a movement in body position affecting the noose. Some positions would be more prone to this problem than others. But that scenario would of course be the worst outcome.

I see! Hanging is gonna be my backup plan if I failed CO for whatever reason, so this is actually nice to know. Now I'll avoid partial 100%, I definitely don't want to have even the slightest chance of living with brain damage enough to make me incapable of CTBing again. It would suck too much.

 

[CW36]

I see! Hanging is gonna be my backup plan if I failed CO for whatever reason, so this is actually nice to know. Now I'll avoid partial 100%, I definitely don't want to have even the slightest chance of living with brain damage enough to make me incapable of CTBing again. It would suck too much.

Yes, I mean in my view, the number one priority should be how successful is this likely to be. Would you trade a few seconds - minutes of slightly less suffering during an attempt for a lifetime of disability. That's the gamble many seem willing to take.

 

[Erik.t.f]

hanging is hard to do right, i tryed 4 times, last time i kinda managed to do it but SI kicked in

 

[momentomori5]

Yes, I mean in my view, the number one priority should be how successful is this likely to be. Would you trade a few seconds - minutes of slightly less suffering during an attempt for a lifetime of disability. That's the gamble many seem willing to take.

Yeah, definitely not a good trade. Especially if the disability prevents you from attempting another suicide, or voicing your suffering to others so that they can euthanize you at least...

 

[CW36]

hanging is hard to do right, i tryed 4 times, last time i kinda managed to do it but SI kicked in

Here is another example of a person failing partial. You end up going through more pain, because it often involves multiple attempts.

Yeah, definitely not a good trade. Especially if the disability prevents you from attempting another suicide, or voicing your suffering to others so that they can euthanize you at least...

Exactly.

 

[Unknown21]

Hanging is a cheaper and more available option, but you have to deal with your SI as you wait to fall unconscious.

SN could be more passive after it's taken. You'll probably puke but the back up drink should make things certain.

Both methods have drawbacks. Speaking from experience hanging is difficult to overcome your SI. It's not as easy as just sinking down and waiting to lose consciousness like I originally thought.

I think drinking the back up drink will be difficult bc of sickness after the first drink.