There is no discussion directly naming the source on the forum board because it is a volition. The thing about this is those with the source just never know with others without it. It comes with the territory; trust. Due to this I've had to switch methods, since I have no idea how much I would have to do around the forum to be trusted enough to be PM'd the source.
This is not necessarily true. I easily found EVERY SINGLE source just based on its initials. CCS, IC, DC.
ALL of them.
I know we have to be careful but l feel bad when there are so many asking for sources. I don't want to sound rude but l don't get it how they just can't search for suppliers. They are easy enough to find just takes a bit of time
Exactly, plus, the more people DOING research, the more resources we have. We shouldn't just be a community, but a community willing to do what we need to to protect one another. I feel bad not giving sources either, but in the same breathe, I think I'd feel worse knowing that giving out sources to anyone results in that source becoming unavailable to so many.
Not firearms of course. That is sacred.
So true, I have a friend, who's LEGALLY BLIND, who owns a gun. I was like
when he got it.
This is a tragedy of circumstance for many reasons.
Suicidality for most people is a desperate drive for a personal solution. It's not usually a state overt concern for preserving sources for others, and only a limited number of people will remain in this community over a longer period of time in any case.
Now that the site has been given global exposure via dramatic mass media 'promotion', the added attention will mean a greater influx of short-term members, as well as increasing scrutiny by authorities under pressure to thwart all preventable methods (yes, except firearms). It's hard to see this as a positive development at any level; the only winner seems to be the clickbait factor for the media.
If anything, the whole situation is a vicious circle that is set up to worsen over time. Perhaps the website will eventually disperse into a number of smaller communities which are harder to target.
I completely agree, though I do believe that we should steer away from initials, because that will make things easier for people to know exactly what sites we're getting sources from. Yes, these sites will be googleable, however, the government the government's won't know EXACTLY which we're getting our SN from, especially if we're more careful in PMs.
As always you make some very good points.
I have seen quite a few members recently who have come and gone before they had a chance to be aware of current issues on the site even if they had wanted to.
I think smaller communities would be a great idea. I'm wondering how this could be achieved.
I agree
Sn suicides are on the rise everywhere. It's kind of logical it's going to become more difficult to obtain. Same with other methods. It sucks but it's what happens in prevention.
I don't know how much us naming initials is responsible for this.
Isn't this exactly what happened with N?
I wasn't around for the N thing, however SN is a food grade product so if we were careful about leading people to exactly where we get our SN, the sites wouldn't come down as easily. Banning SN would be like bann8ng belts and shoe laces, so I think we just need to be more careful. Plus, if we weren't funneling e drying to just a couple sites, it wouldn't look as suspicious.
If "code names" for sources are to start being used, where exactly will these code names be published on the site, so that people have access to them in order to know what they mean? I think it's just the "nature of the beast" we find ourselves in. I don't have the answers to this problem. Maybe there really isn't even an answer. It may be that SN would have been targeted regardless of what is said on this forum once it became apparent that people were using it to CTB. I don't know how users can be "screened" for legitimacy on an anonymous website.
My life experience tells me that something else will come around to take it's place. I have no idea what that will be, but someone, somewhere, will do some research on more readily available substances and find something that will work, too. Hell, it may even be better than SN. Who really knows?
Code Names wouldn't be published anywhere, it'd be like drugs in a way. The culture and people would dictate the names and it would be confusing at first, but culture always finds a footing in these ways.
We should start figuring out that something else BEFORE SN is completely gone.
luckily i have sources from poland so this does not affect me lol, but i sympthasize with anyone here who wanted to CTB via SN and cant now because of this
just another classic pro lifer moment
GHB (or GBL or BDO, essentially the same thing) combined with strong RC benzos such as flubromazolam or other sedatives may be the "new SN" soon. People around here have been saying that its appearently almost exactly like N, completely peaceful. However there is little research on this yet, few people here have CTBed this way and we have little reports or accounts of the experience. The drugs required are relatively easy to source though and you only need two
I have been considering this option, but SN is just the ol' trusty and reliable so ill likely go with SN anyway, whereas GHB + benzos just isnt all that well known yet we dont know much
I'd love to see more research on this.
The reality is that as long as there is places to buy suicide methods they will always end up being taken down and nobody on here can do anything about it. It's the unfortunate reality of existing in a prison like anti suicide society where people want to force suicidal people to suffer endlessly, it's such an evil world where despite all of the endless torment suicide is still not viewed as a valid option. People should be able to just exit existence in peace, it's inhumane to deny that.
I don't necessarily agree because if I really wanted, I could go buy a nice sturdy belt at Target or Walmart.
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