i'm going to repost a private note i made, from a thread that might be eventually published, about the right to die and more:
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here's another article about the right to die, in the Netherlands, some glimpses on how it came to be ...
keep in mind, it was like in the 1970s or 1980s, and Netherlands / Belgium are a more liberal group, and who got developed earlier in the timeline of the world until 2025, the present year.
i vaguely remember, it started in the 1970s with a doctor euthanizing his, or her sick mother, and being acquitted, but i forgot where i read that ...
{{cite web
| title = Euthanasia in the Netherlands - Alliance VITA
| url =
https://www.alliancevita.org/en/2017/11/euthanasia-in-the-netherlands/
| date = 2024-04-04
| archiveurl =
http://archive.today/tjnhm
| archivedate = 2024-04-04 }}
this is by some pro-life group, but even they recognize
> In 2016, there were 16 cases of euthanasia per day in this country, for a population of 16.8 million; thus accounting for 4% of all deaths annually.
> The majority of these euthanasia cases (83%) were performed on patients suffering from incurable diseases, another 10% for multiple pathologies, 4% for disabilities related to old age, 2% for psychiatric disorders and 1% for dementia.
16 * 365 = 5840 / 12 = ~486 people every 30 days, dead because euthanasia, in a country of ~17 million.
17000000 / 6000 = 2833 ~ 1 in 2833 people? keep in mind i used the 2024 population, for a 2016 report ...
1% would be 28.33 people, so less than 0,1% died, or 99,9% lived, or unspecified, i would assume that, most deaths in the Netherlands, since the law passed, didn't die because of the right to die ...
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> The majority of these euthanasia cases (83%) were performed on patients suffering from incurable diseases, another 10% for multiple pathologies,
> 4% for disabilities related to old age, 2% for psychiatric disorders and 1% for dementia.
so it's a lie that old people or depressive people or people affected by dementia or alzheimers, would rush to be accepted, in large numbers, for the right to die ...
even in the NL, for some, the most liberal country ever?
the most liberal country, has checks and balances, and a rise in conservatism apparently, sadly, such is life ...
look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide
not many countries have it, and only 4% of deaths, are caused by assisted suicide, in the Netherlands "(...) for a population of 16.8 million; thus accounting for 4% of all deaths annually".
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later edit 1:
if 4% of deaths meant 5840 deaths, then how much are 100%?
If 4% equals 5,840 deaths, then to find 100%:
100% = (5,840 × 100) ÷ 4
100% = 584,000 ÷ 4
100% =
146,000 deaths
this was ChatGPT asssisted, it could be wrong.
it sounds like, roughly 1 in 20, of all the deaths, perhaps in a given year, get assisted suicide, in the Netherlands ...
> it's a lie if someone says, 10%, or 20% or more, of all the yearly deaths in a country, could be just euthanasia or only assisted CTB ...
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edit 2:
i tried to make a basic infographic, using ChatGPT:
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In the Netherlands around the year 2016, there were approximately 146,000 total deaths. Of these, about 5,840 deaths (or 4%) were from assisted suicide (euthanasia).
146,000 - 5,840 = 140,160
(This is the number of deaths not caused by assisted suicide.)
ASCII Bar Comparison:
Each # represents 1,460 deaths (100 # = 146,000 deaths)
100% |
#################################################################################################### (100 #)
(all deaths, 140k)
4% |
#### (4 #)
(euthanasia, 5,8k)
Of the 5,840 euthanasia cases, the majority (83%) were performed on patients suffering from incurable diseases. These typically included:
1. Late-stage cancer
2. Progressive neurological disorders (such as ALS or multiple sclerosis)
3. End-stage heart failure
4. Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
5. Advanced stages of Parkinson's disease
6. Severe, treatment-resistant pain or suffering from terminal conditions
These cases followed Dutch legal requirements, including voluntary and well-considered patient requests and the presence of unbearable suffering with no chance of recovery.
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edit 3:
i'm going to post a few sources from Hacker News, i found from browsing
https://hn.algolia.com
{{cite web
| title = Scheduled to Die: The Rise of Canada's Assisted Suicide Program Hac…
| url =
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34149793
| date = 2025-05-27
| archiveurl =
http://archive.today/wQo3M
| archivedate = 2025-05-27 }}
this is a more fearmongering article, but i thought of posting it anyway
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{{cite web
| title = How to live on $432 a month in America Hacker News
| url =
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44074340
| date = 2025-05-27
| archiveurl =
http://archive.today/rkmVX
| archivedate = 2025-05-27 }}
about money, why not post it here anyway?
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{{cite web
| title = Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths Hacker News
| url =
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42396733
| date = 2025-05-27
| archiveurl =
http://archive.today/CcbUS
| archivedate = 2025-05-27 }}
1 in 20 deaths, just like the Netherlands. I wonder why CA and NL are so similar in this regard?
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CHATGPT SLOP BELOW because i didn't have anyone to discuss this at the time:
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You're right—1 in 20 deaths (which is 5%) from assisted dying in both Canada and the Netherlands is a striking similarity. There are several overlapping reasons why these two countries have arrived at comparable rates:
1. Liberal, secular societies
Both Canada and the Netherlands are relatively secular, socially liberal countries. Public opinion in both tends to favor individual autonomy, especially regarding end-of-life decisions. This creates a cultural and legal environment where assisted dying is more likely to be accepted and utilized.
2. Comprehensive legal frameworks
1) The Netherlands legalized euthanasia in 2002 with detailed regulations ensuring voluntary, informed consent and unbearable suffering.
2) Canada legalized MAID (Medical Assistance in Dying) in 2016, with a framework that has since expanded to include non-terminal conditions under certain circumstances.
Both systems are well-regulated, with mechanisms for oversight and transparency, which helps build trust among physicians and the public.
3. Universal healthcare
Both countries have universal healthcare, which helps ensure equitable access to end-of-life options. This means that people aren't opting for assisted dying purely for financial reasons, as can happen in systems without comprehensive coverage.
4. Aging populations
Both countries face aging demographics with increasing rates of chronic and degenerative illnesses, which are often cited reasons for choosing assisted dying. The demand naturally increases as more people confront prolonged suffering in advanced age.
5. Medical and ethical culture
Both Canadian and Dutch medical communities tend to integrate palliative care with discussions about assisted dying. This reflects a shared ethical focus on quality of life, not just prolonging life.
In summary:
The similarities in legal structure, cultural attitudes, and healthcare systems likely explain why both countries have reached similar assisted dying rates. As their frameworks evolve, ongoing discussions will continue about ethical boundaries, access, and protections for vulnerable groups.
END CHATGPT SLOP
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only 7 comments, in the article below:
{{cite web
| title = Canada's surge in deaths under MAID outpaces other countries Hacker…
| url =
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39156381
| date = 2025-03-23
| archiveurl =
http://archive.today/0IurV
| archivedate = 2025-03-23 }}
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{{cite web
| title = Father tries to block daughter's euthanasia in landmark Spanish case …
| url =
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43255556
| date = 2025-05-27
| archiveurl =
http://archive.today/62PnH
| archivedate = 2025-05-27 }}
This left a young ~22-23 year old Spanish woman, paraplegic.
Be careful when jumping, and this is why jumping is discouraged on this forum.
{{cite web
| title = Father tries to block daughter's euthanasia in landmark Spanish case
| url =
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crrdqdky9gxo
| date = 2025-03-04
| archiveurl =
http://archive.today/gUPKK
| archivedate = 2025-03-04 }}
archive BBC link, to not give them views.
i think in Spain, only for non-psychiatric issues, euthanasia can happen sadly.
i believe in Belgium, one can be euthanized just with residency, and Belgian or EU health insurance, but i could be wrong.
{{cite web
| title = Has Belgium become a haven for people wanting to end their life? Eu…
| url =
https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/02/has-belgium-become-a-haven-for-people-wanting-to-end-their-life
| date = 2024-02-18
| archiveurl =
http://archive.today/5SL3p
| archivedate = 2024-02-18 }}
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Belgium is one of the very few countries where euthanasia for unbearable mental suffering caused by a psychiatric disorder is allowed. According to the 2002 Belgian Euthanasia Law, the eligibility criteria are: a) the euthanasia request is made by a legally competent adult patient; b) the request is voluntary, repeated, well‐considered, and not the result of external pressure; c) the patient is in a medical condition without prospect of improvement; d) the patient experiences constant and unbearable mental suffering that cannot be alleviated; and e) the suffering is the result of a serious and incurable psychiatric disorder. To assess the fulfilment of these criteria, the attending physician must consult two independent physicians, including a psychiatrist. At least one month should pass between the date of the patient's request and the performance of euthanasia. After the euthanasia is performed, the attending physician must report this to the Federal Control and Evaluation Commission for Euthanasia, which is tasked with the a posteriori control 1 , 2 .
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{{cite web
| title = Euthanasia for unbearable suffering caused by a psychiatric disorder:…
| url =
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10785970/
| date = 2025-05-27
| archiveurl =
http://archive.today/1QAHC
| archivedate = 2025-05-27 }}
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