GOOD suicidal prevention isnt taking away the means of suicide, involuntary hospitalisation etc

[bigwomanbigwoman123]

all that does is make suicidal peope suffer more. actually addressing what makes people suicidal will always be more effective.

 

[rosenwasser]

I really understand you.
I would actually like to get real help. But it's hard to impossible to get it. I'm actually quite sure that it's possible for me to get better (that's certainly not the case for everyone) but the mental health system just doesn't fucking let me. They just break my trust and lock me up over and over and over again.

 

[Brown-Jacket Revy]

I really understand you.
I would actually like to get real help. But it's hard to impossible to get it. I'm actually quite sure that it's possible for me to get better (that's certainly not the case for everyone) but the mental health system just doesn't fucking let me. They just break my trust and lock me up over and over and over again.

Mental health clinics need a complete overhaul.

When rich people get mental health help, they get to go to places that are like fucking resorts.

The average Jane/Joe gets tossed into a co-ed madhouse which is slightly more tolerable than the local county jail.

 

[enough of this]

all that does is make suicidal peope suffer more. actually addressing what makes people suicidal will always be more effective.

It's unfortunate the goings-on leading to people wanting to CTB will never be addressed.

 

[rosenwasser]

Mental health clinics need a complete overhaul.

When rich people get mental health help, they get to go to places that are like fucking resorts.

The average Jane/Joe gets tossed into a co-ed madhouse which is slightly more tolerable than the local county jail.

Yes! I had a rich colleague once who went to one of those clinics for her ED and talked about her experience. And I was just so fucking jealous of the acceptance, individual help, support and check-ins and what just seemed like genuine care.

Psych ward just re-inforced the belief in me that I'm a burden, that what I'm feeling and experiencing is not acceptable, that I need to be shut down with medication so that noone has to deal with me anymore. Noone helps you live with your trauma, noone is really there for you, noone understands and they don't want to. They just want you to stay alive for twisted moral reasons even though you are a fucking vegetable.

I wish I had the money to afford real help.

 

[jbear824]

It's so frustrating because our society is so rigidly pro-life, yet our society actively stands in the way of doing things that would lessen death, that would lessen suicide. I can only speak from an American perspective, but here it is so stupid how pro-life America is, but then goes out of it's way to make things worse for its citizens. Unless you're wealthy, then you get served like royalty.

 

[rosenwasser]

It's so frustrating because our society is so rigidly pro-life, yet our society actively stands in the way of doing things that would lessen death, that would lessen suicide. I can only speak from an American perspective, but here it is so stupid how pro-life America is, but then goes out of it's way to make things worse for its citizens. Unless you're wealthy, then you get served like royalty.

I live in Europe, it's no different here. I'm living in a pro-life paradox.
My mother was forced to have me, she wanted to abort. But as soon as I was here, there was nothing to help her and noone to help me. I lived in poverty and abuse, noone gave a shit. I doubt they'll start caring anytime soon.

And when I say, after almost 25 years of this, that I don't want to live anymore - omg shocking, how can I say that, you can't do this, pls seek help. There simply is none. My insurance is not even paying for my tooth cavity, they are not going to pay for therapy.

 

[FuneralCry]

People should just be able to cease existing in peace whenever they wish to as they aren't obligated to suffer in this meaningless existence where they are just destined to die anyway. I don't understand the view that suicide is even something to prevent as it's our life and our decision, I could never have any interest in existing in this disgusting, harmful world anyway, only death can bring me the relief I search for, preventing suicide is only prolonging suffering.

 

[brokeandbroken]

all that does is make suicidal peope suffer more. actually addressing what makes people suicidal will always be more effective.

I haven't understood this about my situation. No one has made efforts to help me with my situation, they have ran for the hills and been MIA, and they expect me to be magically better. How does not being there for me in anyway and then expecting me to get better make any sense? How does a doctor who doesn't give a fuck make any sense in me getting better. I have no clue how people expect me to get better. Everyday I have woken up since March of 2022. It has been worse then the day before it. Yet people somehow expect to get better. Short of a profound neurological condition I am not going to. Drugging me to death isn't going to solve anything. This isn't the matrix. I can appreciate an unfixable situation but this isn't that. I just don't understand. My only conclusion can be people don't care. They are hoping I die.

 

[cozse<3]

all that does is make suicidal peope suffer more. actually addressing what makes people suicidal will always be more effective.

I fully agree with you

 

[rosenwasser]

I haven't understood this about my situation. No one has made efforts to help me with my situation, they have ran for the hills and been MIA, and they expect me to be magically better. How does not being there for me in anyway and then expecting me to get better make any sense? How does a doctor who doesn't give a fuck make any sense in me getting better. I have no clue how people expect me to get better. Everyday I have woken up since March of 2022. It has been worse then the day before it. Yet people somehow expect to get better. Short of a profound neurological condition I am not going to. Drugging me to death isn't going to solve anything. This isn't the matrix. I can appreciate an unfixable situation but this isn't that. I just don't understand. My only conclusion can be people don't care. They are hoping I die.

Honestly, same. I think most of them truly don't give a shit and I'm sincerely sorry this has happened to you.
I can understand the pain of seeing that you are not "unfixable" and maybe even want to break out of it but not actually getting the tools to fix anything.
My guess right now is that we are often in so much pain that others just don't want to deal with it. They'd rather label us as "very ill" and drug us. It certainly doesn't help anyone.
Why ppl are distraught about ppl being treated this way ctb is truly beyond me. They haven't been truly supported in any way, the "treatment" often makes the life even less worth living. What do ppl expect?

 

[brokeandbroken]

Honestly, same. I think most of them truly don't give a shit and I'm sincerely sorry this has happened to you.
I can understand the pain of seeing that you are not "unfixable" and maybe even want to break out of it but not actually getting the tools to fix anything.
My guess right now is that we are often in so much pain that others just don't want to deal with it. They'd rather label us as "very ill" and drug us. It certainly doesn't help anyone.
Why ppl are distraught about ppl being treated this way ctb is truly beyond me. They haven't been truly supported in any way, the "treatment" often makes the life even less worth living. What do ppl expect?

Were you in the airforce?

It's one thing to be depressed and then become suicidal. For your brain to not function properly and therefore you CTB. This isn't that. This is a fixable situation. It's just weird how do they expect things to get better? I think it's laziness honestly. They just are afraid of the work. Our lives aren't worth it to them. So they go "ehh don't have to". If they die they die.... I'm sorry things are so bad for you. I wish it was just me honestly.

 

[stilhavinightmares]

Yes! I had a rich colleague once who went to one of those clinics for her ED and talked about her experience. And I was just so fucking jealous of the acceptance, individual help, support and check-ins and what just seemed like genuine care.

Psych ward just re-inforced the belief in me that I'm a burden, that what I'm feeling and experiencing is not acceptable, that I need to be shut down with medication so that noone has to deal with me anymore. Noone helps you live with your trauma, noone is really there for you, noone understands and they don't want to. They just want you to stay alive for twisted moral reasons even though you are a fucking vegetable.

I wish I had the money to afford real help.

Spot-on psych ward assessment. I just finally got discharged; they wouldn't let me go because they didn't believe me when I said I was safe!

 

[rosenwasser]

Were you in the airforce?

It's one thing to be depressed and then become suicidal. For your brain to not function properly and therefore you CTB. This isn't that. This is a fixable situation. It's just weird how do they expect things to get better? I think it's laziness honestly. They just are afraid of the work. Our lives aren't worth it to them. So they go "ehh don't have to". If they die they die.... I'm sorry things are so bad for you. I wish it was just me honestly.

Nah but I do in fact have C-PTSD because of a murder attempt (among other things). I really feel you, there is no genuine effort to support ppl in the way they need at all. You're not the first person I know who believes they *could* get better and would prefer that to ctb - but the help they need is never available, not with their means and then ctb is the only way to find peace.
I wish you strength and hope you find understanding and peace.

 

[brokeandbroken]

Nah but I do in fact have C-PTSD because of a murder attempt (among other things). I really feel you, there is no genuine effort to support ppl in the way they need at all. You're not the first person I know who believes they *could* get better and would prefer that to ctb - but the help they need is never available, not with their means and then ctb is the only way to find peace.
I wish you strength and hope you find understanding and peace.

Well first of all I am tremendously sorry to hear that. And thank you. As the commenter above mentioned if you are rich everything will be given to you. If you are poor or made poor you aren't seen as human anymore.