Golfer Grayson Murray Suicide By CO

[Timothy7dff]

Looks like the cause of death was suicide by CO. He left his land rover running indoors.

Grayson Murray Likely Died of Carbon Monoxide From Land Rover: Report

PGA star Grayson Murray died from suspected carbon monoxide poisoning after leaving his Land Rover running in the garage of his Florida townhouse, a new report says.

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[locked*n*loaded]

Sounds incredible. Sort of fantastical, too, that a vehicle running in a lower garage, a presumably newer vehicle, too, could produce enough CO to kill him in an upstairs bedroom. I guess we'll have to wait on the autopsy results to be sure. Maybe he took something, too. It's a shame. A young, successful guy who really had the world by its ass.....depression really doesn't discriminate, does it? Hope he finally got to his peace.

 

[J&L383]

I was wondering what the method was. It is surprising that a modern vehicle could produce that much CO, but then again, it was a Land Rover. . Maybe there was something more to it.

 

[DeIetedUser4739]

I was wondering what the method was. It is surprising that a modern vehicle could produce that much CO, but then again, it was a Land Rover. . Maybe there was something more to it.

He might have unbolted the exhaust before the catalytic converter.

 

[J&L383]

He might have unbolted the exhaust before the catalytic converter.

A golfer with some mechanic know-how. . Or maybe the cat had already been stolen

 

[DeadManLiving]

AAbsolutely,

He might have unbolted the exhaust before the catalytic converter.

Yes absolutely, the reason you won't die in a modern-day vehicle in a confined space is because the catalytic converter acts as a CO scrubber.

Remove the catalytic converter or just cut the pipe that immediately precedes plug to the catalytic converter and you have straight up pure exhaust.

You can actually purchase gas canisters of highly concentrated CO typically used for calibration of CO sensors, but with the cheap price tag if you buy two or three and allow all of them to be off gassing inside a vehicle cabin, then the probability of hypoxic injury and death are very high within minutes, and 100% with liquid nitrogen spelled in the vehicle cabin death is painlessly instant at 6% oxygen levels for 8 minutes of exposure to a nitrogenized confined space.

 

[albstr1403]

AAbsolutely,

Yes absolutely, the reason you won't die in a modern-day vehicle in a confined space is because the catalytic converter acts as a CO scrubber.

Remove the catalytic converter or just cut the pipe that immediately precedes plug to the catalytic converter and you have straight up pure exhaust.

You can actually purchase gas canisters of highly concentrated CO typically used for calibration of CO sensors, but with the cheap price tag if you buy two or three and allow all of them to be off gassing inside a vehicle cabin, then the probability of hypoxic injury and death are very high within minutes, and 100% with liquid nitrogen spelled in the vehicle cabin death is painlessly instant at 6% oxygen levels for 8 minutes of exposure to a nitrogenized confined space.

why hasnt this become a thing yet?

 

[DeIetedUser4739]

why hasnt this become a thing yet?

The car would be really loud (like a race car), so I think most people would disturb their neighbors making them call the police.

 

[DeadManLiving]

why hasnt this become a thing yet?

A lot of the novel and non-obvious methods are generally not promoted due to potential regulatory scrutiny.

Death by nitrogen hypoxia is easy, it just need to buy a $150 Dewar for 10L of LN2 (cheaper than bottled water) and quickly decanted inside of a vehicle or confined space. With nitrogen having a 1 to 700 liquid to gas evaporation rate, 1 L of liquid nitrogen or 10 L of liquid nitrogen would be 700,000 L of nitrogen gas or enough to displace 24 or 13.3 square cubic meters which is about the interior volume of a typical sedan.

However, this is of the not reported to prevent copycats or fruit to become a mainstream method. Although if you read the chemical safety board accident reports or any report on a liquid nitrogen spill a 6% oxygen deficient environment displaced by the cryogen would result in unconsciousness within seconds and death within minutes.

 

[justwannadip]

A lot of the novel and non-obvious methods are generally not promoted due to potential regulatory scrutiny.

Death by nitrogen hypoxia is easy, it just need to buy a $150 Dewar for 10L of LN2 (cheaper than bottled water) and quickly decanted inside of a vehicle or confined space. With nitrogen having a 1 to 700 liquid to gas evaporation rate, 1 L of liquid nitrogen or 10 L of liquid nitrogen would be 700,000 L of nitrogen gas or enough to displace 24 or 13.3 square cubic meters which is about the interior volume of a typical sedan.

However, this is of the not reported to prevent copycats or fruit to become a mainstream method. Although if you read the chemical safety board accident reports or any report on a liquid nitrogen spill a 6% oxygen deficient environment displaced by the cryogen would result in unconsciousness within seconds and death within minutes.

Interesting, I didn't know it was so easy. Still, I'd think that if it was such an easy and painless method it would be discussed a lot more on here or the PPH. I mean even the helium method is talked about more than the nitrogen one. It confuses me how SN is discussed so much considering it seems quite questionable how painless it is, and the time it takes to pass seems longer than most methods, not to mention its getting harder to find SN.

So how would you go about doing the nitrogen method? What's the best approach? Where can you buy pure nitrogen and how difficult would the set up be? Thanks

 

[Forveleth]

A lot of the novel and non-obvious methods are generally not promoted due to potential regulatory scrutiny.

Death by nitrogen hypoxia is easy, it just need to buy a $150 Dewar for 10L of LN2 (cheaper than bottled water) and quickly decanted inside of a vehicle or confined space. With nitrogen having a 1 to 700 liquid to gas evaporation rate, 1 L of liquid nitrogen or 10 L of liquid nitrogen would be 700,000 L of nitrogen gas or enough to displace 24 or 13.3 square cubic meters which is about the interior volume of a typical sedan.

However, this is of the not reported to prevent copycats or fruit to become a mainstream method. Although if you read the chemical safety board accident reports or any report on a liquid nitrogen spill a 6% oxygen deficient environment displaced by the cryogen would result in unconsciousness within seconds and death within minutes.

I have access to liquid nitrogen and was wondering if something like this were viable but then I realized I don't have a confined space (car) nor way to transport LN2 (car). Sad. Thanks for the info though!

 

[DeadManLiving]

Interesting, I didn't know it was so easy. Still, I'd think that if it was such an easy and painless method it would be discussed a lot more on here or the PPH. I mean even the helium method is talked about more than the nitrogen one. It confuses me how SN is discussed so much considering it seems quite questionable how painless it is, and the time it takes to pass seems longer than most methods, not to mention its getting harder to find SN.

So how would you go about doing the nitrogen method? What's the best approach? Where can you buy pure nitrogen and how difficult would the set up be? Thanks

The idea came from Dr. Death's (Phillip Niteskite's, excuse spelling) a death pod which uses pure liquid nitrogen to fill the death pod as it confined space. Liquid nitrogen is easily available at all major welding shops, ice cream supply shops and major industrial gas suppliers.

The method requires a confined space like a bathroom where you can pour the liquid nitrogen in the bathtub or in the tent say and by using a heating element having it evaporate quickly and laying as low as possible since cryogenic nitrogen sinks due to its temperature, 10 L of liquid nitrogen in a hotel bathroom would probably be able to displace the oxygen in the entire bathroom and by lying down you would essentially be nitrogen blanketed, a term used in industry to protect critical infrastructure, which is essentially sleeping or laying in a blanket of 100% pure nitrogen gas. Let's get also be done in a tent, but be careful to not blow it up use 15 Liters and set the ventilation vents so it flushes out all of the oxygen for prolonged time. You'll be unconscious within a few breaths, no more than three or four.

 

[justwannadip]

The idea came from Dr. Death's (Phillip Niteskite's, excuse spelling) a death pod which uses pure liquid nitrogen to fill the death pod as it confined space. Liquid nitrogen is easily available at all major welding shops, ice cream supply shops and major industrial gas suppliers.

The method requires a confined space like a bathroom where you can pour the liquid nitrogen in the bathtub or in the tent say and by using a heating element having it evaporate quickly and laying as low as possible since cryogenic nitrogen sinks due to its temperature, 10 L of liquid nitrogen in a hotel bathroom would probably be able to displace the oxygen in the entire bathroom and by lying down you would essentially be nitrogen blanketed, a term used in industry to protect critical infrastructure, which is essentially sleeping or laying in a blanket of 100% pure nitrogen gas. Let's get also be done in a tent, but be careful to not blow it up use 15 Liters and set the ventilation vents so it flushes out all of the oxygen for prolonged time. You'll be unconscious within a few breaths, no more than three or four.

So what's the difference between liquid nitrogen and nitrogen gas for ctb? And how confined of a space is a bathroom? It seems that that's way too big of a space with cracks everywhere that the gas could escape. When I see people talk about the nitrogen method or any inert gas method I always see some elaborate and complex set up with with a mask (scba or eebd hood), a tank, purity tester, and hose with precise measurements so that it fits perfectly to the mask and the cylinder (ie. the user gasmonkey had a thread on his setup). The reason the inert gas method isn't my #1 preferred method is because the setup seems so complex for me that I'd worry I'd fail. Also, I'd worry that my SI would kick in a breath or 2 in, and that I'd be able to take the mask off before I went to sleep but suffer permanent brain damage. Also using the method you describe, how could you ensure that others are safe when finding your body? Thanks

 

[Not A Fan]

A lot of the novel and non-obvious methods are generally not promoted due to potential regulatory scrutiny.

Death by nitrogen hypoxia is easy, it just need to buy a $150 Dewar for 10L of LN2 (cheaper than bottled water) and quickly decanted inside of a vehicle or confined space. With nitrogen having a 1 to 700 liquid to gas evaporation rate, 1 L of liquid nitrogen or 10 L of liquid nitrogen would be 700,000 L of nitrogen gas or enough to displace 24 or 13.3 square cubic meters which is about the interior volume of a typical sedan.

However, this is of the not reported to prevent copycats or fruit to become a mainstream method. Although if you read the chemical safety board accident reports or any report on a liquid nitrogen spill a 6% oxygen deficient environment displaced by the cryogen would result in unconsciousness within seconds and death within minutes.

I found a dewar for sale that is quite portable but it only holds 6 liters. It sounds like anything less that 10 liters might be insufficient, but the size of this thing is perfect... not like the huge barrel used by the guy in the video you posted "How to buy liquid nitrogen". Something close to this size would much easier to transport and handle!

Perhaps 6L would enough to use in a small tent.

I did not realize they could be this small. Probably a container for 10 or 12L wouldn't be too bad either. For some reason all the ones I've seen so far appeared much larger. They would definitely draw attention.

So what's the difference between liquid nitrogen and nitrogen gas for ctb? And how confined of a space is a bathroom? It seems that that's way too big of a space with cracks everywhere that the gas could escape. When I see people talk about the nitrogen method or any inert gas method I always see some elaborate and complex set up with with a mask (scba or eebd hood), a tank, purity tester, and hose with precise measurements so that it fits perfectly to the mask and the cylinder (ie. the user gasmonkey had a thread on his setup). The reason the inert gas method isn't my #1 preferred method is because the setup seems so complex for me that I'd worry I'd fail. Also, I'd worry that my SI would kick in a breath or 2 in, and that I'd be able to take the mask off before I went to sleep but suffer permanent brain damage. Also using the method you describe, how could you ensure that others are safe when finding your body? Thanks

Perhaps you could seal off the openings in your bathroom? Probably only a good idea to do if you don't live with anybody else. But if you can measure the cubic feet of the bathroom interior, you should be able to determine the number of liters of liquid nitrogen would be required.

If you live in the US liquid nitrogen seems trivial to purchase. The setup doesn't require figuring out the mask and regulator and putting these various parts together. It seems relatively simple to just seal a small area and pour liquid nitrogen into wide, exposed container in the confined space and let it expand. It will expand to roughly 700x its original volume. As a precaution, one should use a few extra liters over the minimum calculated requirement.

You're basically pouring liquid from one container into another and breathing the air around you. In cases of accidental death from liquid nitrogen exposure, people lose consciousness so quickly they don't even realize what happened.

I have a car but it sounds even better to do this in a nice tent somewhere in the wilderness.

Edit:

Notably, you can only store liquid nitrogen in one of these tanks for a limited amount of time. I guess it eventually evaporates. See "static holding time" in the image below: