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I know it sucks to not know if he is still providing N, and it is hard to wait but give it at least a day or so before you write him off
I really hope this isn't the case I'm going to end up doing serious damage to myself and degrade myself in process before finally checkout if I don't have this option. :(
Same here, it's not going to stop me it might hinder me but I will eventually die on my terms.
The PPeh website said to book your tickets but I have read numerous reports of people traveling to South America and not being able to buy it.
| Product Name | DIN | Injectable Strength | Species |
|---|---|---|---|
| DORMINAL | 02333708 | 240 MG / ML | Dogs, cats, horses, cattle, laboratory animals and birds |
| EUTHANYL | 00141704 | 240 MG / ML | Dogs, cats, horses, cattle, mink, laboratory animals and birds |
| EUTHANYL FORTE | 00241326 | 540 MG / ML | Dogs, cats, horses, cattle, mink, laboratory animals and birds |
Red Scare shared a link with discussion about the situation in the US and Canada with respect to veterinary euthanasia in the context of the shortage. Long story short, in the US they don't think the other options are as good (and I think it said T61 was not allowed to be used in the US?). I think it will come back. I don't know whether D will be able to go back to selling it, but I don't think it is going to completely disappear in the near future. While it is in shortage, the manufacturers are keeping really close watch over where it is going, so I imagine it has become increasingly difficult for D to get it. [This happened with a lot of drugs in the earlier part of the pandemic. Lots of rationing.] It might have been okay, but I think there was a huge uptick in demand? I mean, it seems like every day there are multiple new people in this forum whose first post (or so) is about how to get N.
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The drug combinations I mentioned are peaceful, I just don't know much about T61. The reason they still use pentobarbital is because it is produced specifically for euthanasia. Easy to use as a single agent. As it is an euthanasia agent, it is not prepared for therapeutic doses. High concentration. Propofol, rocuronium, ketamine, lidocaine are produced for treatment. That's why it's low concentration. Euthanasia with propofol and rocuronium may require a second injection of propofol to maintenance of deep sedation. For such reasons, the use of pentobarbital is more practical. However, euthanasia without pentobarbital is done with the drugs I mentioned. If I wanted to curb pentobarbital abuse, the high concentration ketamine + rocuronium combination would be a good idea. You cannot drink this. So pentobarbital isn't the only option for euthanasia. A new sales formula is required, in which only other drugs are redosed for euthanasia. It is impossible to predict what will happen in the future. I guess it just has to do with how governments deal with ongoing pentobarbital suicides.
They detailed some of the issues they had with some of the alternate methods in that article. I think it also mentioned that the preferred method(s) were different elsewhere. Possibly they'll do some additional work (clinical studies or whatever) that will help the US veterinarians become more comfortable with the alternate methods if they do end up needing to abandon pentobarbital.
I don't think the number of cases of suicide with pentobarbital is enough to move governments into action right now. They don't seem to care much. What matters is what happens in Mexico (assuming D lives in Mexico). Because third world countries are not as meticulous as the USA and Canada about other methods. If pentobarbital is off for a long time, they can quickly turn to other drugs.
Chinese vets use Propofol and KCl for animal euthanasia,coz N is strictly controlled in China.
I really do feel for you, did you not have the funds to buy it earlier?
I have the money to buy it, I've just put it off as I have a set date in mind, and I wanted to order it 2 weeks before the date now I'm just regretting it
Ok but if it's meant to pass by mid late 2022 who cares I CANT WAIT TILL LATE 2022 I need to die in little other a month what a fucking joke
Totally agree. I suffer from incurable illness and every day is a struggle. I dont know if i will get to the mid/late of this year. My life is a horror. Probably gonna use the SN method.
