I have been talking to several other members here and on another CTB forum about current experiences with A. This is a collection of everything that we have experienced dealing with A currently.
I have talked to 7 other people here who have ordered from A.
First, when ordering from A The expectation is to receive sealed 100ml glass bottles of N. A also gives a timeline of 20 to 25 days. A randomly asks some people for their phone numbers also. Can't seem to find a rhyme or reason as to who he requests it from.
My order was for two bottles. My order took 19 days. What was immediately odd though was A had told me my order was shipped 17 days before I received it. And when I got the package I realized it was sent 3 days ago. When I opened the package instead of the two sealed 100ml glass N bottles I was expecting, I had two 60ml unsealed plastic bottles. One of which I could immediately smell the chemical smell of the product. I contacted A with these concerns and A replied that the product was good and I had his word. He did not respond to the amount questions, the unsealed questions, or anything else. He has since stopped responding to any of my emails.
Member 2 also ordered two bottles, and received the same as I did. That member also reached out to A with questions and also is not being responded to. This member decided to have the product tested.
Member 3 ordered two bottles. Received one bottle but at least it is the proper 100ml glass bottle. A has promised to send this member another bottle. Will update if it is received.
Member 4 never received their order. A claims it was probably intercepted. There is no way to confirm or deny this of course.
Member 5 ordered one bottle, received one large ( larger than 100ml ) bottle that was partially used, and not properly sealed.
Member 6 is still waiting for delivery. They ordered two bottles and are now at 27 days.
Member 7 ordered two 100ml bottles and received the two 60ml unsealed bottles yet again. One bottle actually leaked in the package due to not being sealed, and was not clear, with particulates in it.
What I have learned that might be key here is that this is not how A operated before October. Since October however many people are very concerned with how A is operating. On the other forum the talks are similar. People getting the unsealed plastic bottles, getting the wrong orders and so forth.
As soon as the member here gets the test results they will be posted by me or them if they want to post it. Several members involved do not want their names used so please do not ask here or in PM as I will not give them out.
My personal advice right now would be to be very cautious, obviously something is very wrong right now. The product could still very well be N, one of the members actually tasted it and said it tasted similar to what would be expected. But, until the test results come back we do not know for sure. Also, be aware that there is no way of knowing what you might receive right now as in quantity, quality, anything. From people I have spoken to from here and the other forum no one has received 2 100ml sealed glass bottles since around the beginning of November.
I do have to say though that if the test comes back positive for N with at least 60mg/ml that would mean that all of us who got the two 60ml bottles would have about 8gm of N. Which is more than enough to peacefully CTB. So we are of course hoping that is the case.
Now, with all the transferred and unsealed product we also have to worry about shelf life. A few of us are researching that and I will update as we learn more.
Another concern is the product being tainted. One member had one bottle that was not clear and appeared to have particulates in it. This is extremely concerning for obvious reasons. I believe that member is having it tested also.
A also stops responding it seems once one gets the product and starts asking questions about their concerns. I have been told by several previous customers that A before November never acted that way. There is a ton of speculation as to why that is, but I will not speculate. I am trying to find the real answers. As I get answers I will update here.
This is all very concerning. This is incredibly serious. I spent every penny I had saved up to get this from A and expected 2 100 ml sealed bottles of N. And I am not alone. We are talking about people counting on A to deliver as promised for people that have gone to him as their means for their final act in life. To find our peace, the way we want to.
I am reporting my experience and findings to EI, as are others.
I promise to update all findings until I CTB myself. Please just use caution for now, I hate that A is the only source that is recommended to us and these things are happening. So I don't want to tell people not to order because our options are limited, and the product might still be N. We should know soon. But there is a lot wrong right now. So use your own discretion. I just want everyone to have all the information available.
Also, if anyone wants to talk to me about any of this, or their own experience, you can respond here of course or you can PM me if you want. As crazy as it may sound to some, all I want is to help others get to any conclusions we can for others while I am still here.
I have talked to 7 other people here who have ordered from A.
First, when ordering from A The expectation is to receive sealed 100ml glass bottles of N. A also gives a timeline of 20 to 25 days. A randomly asks some people for their phone numbers also. Can't seem to find a rhyme or reason as to who he requests it from.
My order was for two bottles. My order took 19 days. What was immediately odd though was A had told me my order was shipped 17 days before I received it. And when I got the package I realized it was sent 3 days ago. When I opened the package instead of the two sealed 100ml glass N bottles I was expecting, I had two 60ml unsealed plastic bottles. One of which I could immediately smell the chemical smell of the product. I contacted A with these concerns and A replied that the product was good and I had his word. He did not respond to the amount questions, the unsealed questions, or anything else. He has since stopped responding to any of my emails.
Member 2 also ordered two bottles, and received the same as I did. That member also reached out to A with questions and also is not being responded to. This member decided to have the product tested.
Member 3 ordered two bottles. Received one bottle but at least it is the proper 100ml glass bottle. A has promised to send this member another bottle. Will update if it is received.
Member 4 never received their order. A claims it was probably intercepted. There is no way to confirm or deny this of course.
Member 5 ordered one bottle, received one large ( larger than 100ml ) bottle that was partially used, and not properly sealed.
Member 6 is still waiting for delivery. They ordered two bottles and are now at 27 days.
Member 7 ordered two 100ml bottles and received the two 60ml unsealed bottles yet again. One bottle actually leaked in the package due to not being sealed, and was not clear, with particulates in it.
What I have learned that might be key here is that this is not how A operated before October. Since October however many people are very concerned with how A is operating. On the other forum the talks are similar. People getting the unsealed plastic bottles, getting the wrong orders and so forth.
As soon as the member here gets the test results they will be posted by me or them if they want to post it. Several members involved do not want their names used so please do not ask here or in PM as I will not give them out.
My personal advice right now would be to be very cautious, obviously something is very wrong right now. The product could still very well be N, one of the members actually tasted it and said it tasted similar to what would be expected. But, until the test results come back we do not know for sure. Also, be aware that there is no way of knowing what you might receive right now as in quantity, quality, anything. From people I have spoken to from here and the other forum no one has received 2 100ml sealed glass bottles since around the beginning of November.
I do have to say though that if the test comes back positive for N with at least 60mg/ml that would mean that all of us who got the two 60ml bottles would have about 8gm of N. Which is more than enough to peacefully CTB. So we are of course hoping that is the case.
Now, with all the transferred and unsealed product we also have to worry about shelf life. A few of us are researching that and I will update as we learn more.
Another concern is the product being tainted. One member had one bottle that was not clear and appeared to have particulates in it. This is extremely concerning for obvious reasons. I believe that member is having it tested also.
A also stops responding it seems once one gets the product and starts asking questions about their concerns. I have been told by several previous customers that A before November never acted that way. There is a ton of speculation as to why that is, but I will not speculate. I am trying to find the real answers. As I get answers I will update here.
This is all very concerning. This is incredibly serious. I spent every penny I had saved up to get this from A and expected 2 100 ml sealed bottles of N. And I am not alone. We are talking about people counting on A to deliver as promised for people that have gone to him as their means for their final act in life. To find our peace, the way we want to.
I am reporting my experience and findings to EI, as are others.
I promise to update all findings until I CTB myself. Please just use caution for now, I hate that A is the only source that is recommended to us and these things are happening. So I don't want to tell people not to order because our options are limited, and the product might still be N. We should know soon. But there is a lot wrong right now. So use your own discretion. I just want everyone to have all the information available.
Also, if anyone wants to talk to me about any of this, or their own experience, you can respond here of course or you can PM me if you want. As crazy as it may sound to some, all I want is to help others get to any conclusions we can for others while I am still here.
