Full Suspension... With a Way Out?

[Dreamsindarkness]

I have an idea and I want to know what you guys think about it

Alright, some of you may have seen me around recently enough to know that I'm contemplating full suspension. Thanks to everyone who posted in my other thread by the way. So, I have a question. I see that full suspension is a lot more reliable than partial because once you pass out, you cant accidentally move, stop applying pressure, and pass out. The thing is though, I also hear horror stories about full gone wrong where people slowly strangle instead of passing out peacefully or in the worst cases, it takes a long time to die and you're just hanging there in agony. I'm hoping to be one of the many cases where I pass out from lack of blood to the brain before I ever even realize I can't breath. So, as I said i have an idea and I'm wondering if it's feesible...

I want to do full with a way out nearby something to step on or a pair of scissors or something. That way if I could have the willpower to push through until I pass out, then I pass out and die, but if I start to strangle before passing out, I can step onto something, reposition the rope or get a different rope and try again. Anyone know if this would be possible, or would survival instinct be too strong to push through? I'm thinking it could be done, because partial has the same principle of having to push through, I'm just worried that the added pain and discomfort of your whole body weight hanging would be too much to. All opinions are welcome, but I'd especially like to hear from anyone who's tried full before. Thanks

 

[Someone123]

It sounds tough to do in a real situation. I think with full suspension this is a method with reliability but there is a risk that you may be struggling for a while as you windpipe gets closed off- that is what is scary about this method- some people rescued at twenty minutes have survived without bad effects. A pair of scissors won't work because as soon as it starts you will lose most control of your limbs, where oxygen deprivation sets in very quickly. You can't count of being able to do anything once the process starts. This is a backup plan for me but Sn is a first choice because it has a chance to be more peaceful. Full suspension is reliable, but once person who posted here said that of three people they found in this way all had lots of deep scratch marks on their neck from pulling at it, though some videos I have seen don't show this. Full suspension is reliable but there is likely to be a time of struggling, that's the trade-off. There are other methods that are more peaceful but harder to do. I hope you are able to find peace somehow.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I think that would be giving SI another leg to stand on.

 

[Unlucked]

Honestly as someone who has tried hanging before I would not recommend it, the suffocation is scary, the survival instinct also makes you completely 100% regret it during the act, no matter how crappy your life is. You only die once so I think maybe it's best to prepare with SN or N or something. Of course it depends on your circumstances.

 

[Fthis]

I have an idea and I want to know what you guys think about it

Alright, some of you may have seen me around recently enough to know that I'm contemplating full suspension. Thanks to everyone who posted in my other thread by the way. So, I have a question. I see that full suspension is a lot more reliable than partial because once you pass out, you cant accidentally move, stop applying pressure, and pass out. The thing is though, I also hear horror stories about full gone wrong where people slowly strangle instead of passing out peacefully or in the worst cases, it takes a long time to die and you're just hanging there in agony. I'm hoping to be one of the many cases where I pass out from lack of blood to the brain before I ever even realize I can't breath. So, as I said i have an idea and I'm wondering if it's feesible...

I want to do full with a way out nearby something to step on or a pair of scissors or something. That way if I could have the willpower to push through until I pass out, then I pass out and die, but if I start to strangle before passing out, I can step onto something, reposition the rope or get a different rope and try again. Anyone know if this would be possible, or would survival instinct be too strong to push through? I'm thinking it could be done, because partial has the same principle of having to push through, I'm just worried that the added pain and discomfort of your whole body weight hanging would be too much to. All opinions are welcome, but I'd especially like to hear from anyone who's tried full before. Thanks

Maybe you could keep the chair there and just put your legs on both sides of it but SI will probably make you stand

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

If you are really determined to kill yourself, you can easily find out whether you pass out fast or not: Step off something that is heavy enaugh that you cannot kick it away unintentional. If you dont pass out quick you step back otherwise you die.

 

[Someone123]

If you are really determined to kill yourself, you can easily find out whether you pass out fast or not: Step off something that is heavy enaugh that you cannot kick it away unintentional. If you dont pass out quick you step back otherwise you die.

Actually what can happen in this case is that you don't pass out fast but there is a restriction in your oxygen flow so that it is not possibgle to control the movement or your arms and legs so that you can't step back on and you slowly strangle there over twenty plus minutes, that's a risk of this method.

 

[eternalflame]

I don't think you should play with death like that, you can get brain damage. HAve you tried medication?

 

[Worndown]

I have an idea and I want to know what you guys think about it

Alright, some of you may have seen me around recently enough to know that I'm contemplating full suspension. Thanks to everyone who posted in my other thread by the way. So, I have a question. I see that full suspension is a lot more reliable than partial because once you pass out, you cant accidentally move, stop applying pressure, and pass out. The thing is though, I also hear horror stories about full gone wrong where people slowly strangle instead of passing out peacefully or in the worst cases, it takes a long time to die and you're just hanging there in agony. I'm hoping to be one of the many cases where I pass out from lack of blood to the brain before I ever even realize I can't breath. So, as I said i have an idea and I'm wondering if it's feesible...

I want to do full with a way out nearby something to step on or a pair of scissors or something. That way if I could have the willpower to push through until I pass out, then I pass out and die, but if I start to strangle before passing out, I can step onto something, reposition the rope or get a different rope and try again. Anyone know if this would be possible, or would survival instinct be too strong to push through? I'm thinking it could be done, because partial has the same principle of having to push through, I'm just worried that the added pain and discomfort of your whole body weight hanging would be too much to. All opinions are welcome, but I'd especially like to hear from anyone who's tried full before. Thanks

If you plan and do it correctly, there is no way you can slowly strangle. If your setup is incorrect, it could happen.
There are horror stories on here for every method and most of them sound improbable. Read the accounts of ernest attempts where they were saved. They give good information.

Please do your research whatever method you choose. If you do decide to ctb, you deserve success.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Actually what can happen in this case is that you don't pass out fast but there is a restriction in your oxygen flow so that it is not possibgle to control the movement or your arms and legs so that you can't step back on and you slowly strangle there over twenty plus minutes, that's a risk of this method.

I have never heard that this can happen, when both carotids are blocked and in case of typical hanging they will be blocked. Do you have any information about this effect?

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

This is precisely fucking why I'm looking to use a very strong sedative to knock me unconscious after getting into position, so you can hang without being aware of anything. Chloroform rag in a plasterer's dust mask would a good option I think, but getting these chemicals is so hard. Someone sent me how to make your own chloroform earlier, but what if I fuck it up? FUCK!!!! I have 10 grams of phenobarb, 5 grams of amatrip, and hundreds of valium and xanax - this will have to do

 

[Someone123]

I have never heard that this can happen, when both carotids are blocked and in case of typical hanging they will be blocked. Do you have any information about this effect?

It is well documented that when oxygen is restricted the arms and legs move around trying to get oxygen into them- they move around randomly and not under a person's control. In a couple hanging videos I have seen here this happened very quickly, in well under a minute, this is one of the first things that happens, at least in these videos. So you can't count on being able to use your arms to do anything under conscious control once the process starts.

As far as the carotids being blocked, in a lot of cases they are not fully blocked so a person struggles for quite some time while their windpipe is closed off- it is terrifying from reports of people who have been rescued during the process. Full suspension is a reliable method that is not usually peaceful and it can take a while.

 

[Dreamsindarkness]

Thanks for all the replies. I'll get around to responding to each of you soon

 

[Dreamsindarkness]

It sounds tough to do in a real situation. I think with full suspension this is a method with reliability but there is a risk that you may be struggling for a while as you windpipe gets closed off- that is what is scary about this method- some people rescued at twenty minutes have survived without bad effects. A pair of scissors won't work because as soon as it starts you will lose most control of your limbs, where oxygen deprivation sets in very quickly. You can't count of being able to do anything once the process starts. This is a backup plan for me but Sn is a first choice because it has a chance to be more peaceful. Full suspension is reliable, but once person who posted here said that of three people they found in this way all had lots of deep scratch marks on their neck from pulling at it, though some videos I have seen don't show this. Full suspension is reliable but there is likely to be a time of struggling, that's the trade-off. There are other methods that are more peaceful but harder to do. I hope you are able to find peace somehow.

Thanks for the detailed reply. I hadn't thought of the losing control of my limbs thing, although I should have because I'm seen a few hanging videos where it seemed pretty apparent. I guess I just thought it might tae long enough that I could figure out what was going on. I'd like to get some SN (i don't even know what that stands for, I've just seen it around the site a lot) or something like that, but in my current situation, I don't have access to a bank account to order it with. Still, I've heard that thats not always great either. "sigh" Why does this have to be so tough?

I think that would be giving SI another leg to stand on.

Yeah, I thought of that, I just figured that if it did cause me to chicken out, I could just try again without the back up

Honestly as someone who has tried hanging before I would not recommend it, the suffocation is scary, the survival instinct also makes you completely 100% regret it during the act, no matter how crappy your life is. You only die once so I think maybe it's best to prepare with SN or N or something. Of course it depends on your circumstances.

Yeah, sadly I can't get my hands on SN. You say you tried hanging (full?), what I'm confused about is why some people seem to pass out quickly and other people suffocate. Would you mind sharing the details? Like what type and size of rope you used? What knot did you use? How did you survive? I figure if I gather enough data, I can figure ou the difference between suffocation and just passing out

Maybe you could keep the chair there and just put your legs on both sides of it but SI will probably make you stand

Yeah, I was thinking something like that too, if SI kicke in, I could always try again without it

If you are really determined to kill yourself, you can easily find out whether you pass out fast or not: Step off something that is heavy enaugh that you cannot kick it away unintentional. If you dont pass out quick you step back otherwise you die.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I was wondering if anybody had any reasons why that was a bad idea, which some people on here seem to. We talked a little in my other thread. I was wondering if you'd mind sharing all the details of the non lethal hanging you were doing. As I said in another comment, I'm trying to collect some data from people who strangled and peopl who just passed out, to find a difference. What size and type of rope did you use? Where was it placed? What knot did you tie? I hope I'm not asking too much, but I'd appreciate it.

If you plan and do it correctly, there is no way you can slowly strangle. If your setup is incorrect, it could happen.
There are horror stories on here for every method and most of them sound improbable. Read the accounts of ernest attempts where they were saved. They give good information.

Please do your research whatever method you choose. If you do decide to ctb, you deserve success.

That makes sense, I'm just wondering how you can do it incorrectly. Wrong knot? Wrong rope? Thats why I'm trying to get some info. I've been doing a lot of research. I can't even order something off amazon without reading 100 reviews lol and this is a huge decision, so I'm trying to make sure everything is as right as it can be. Thanks...oh, I meant to ask. Have you tried it?

This is precisely fucking why I'm looking to use a very strong sedative to knock me unconscious after getting into position, so you can hang without being aware of anything. Chloroform rag in a plasterer's dust mask would a good option I think, but getting these chemicals is so hard. Someone sent me how to make your own chloroform earlier, but what if I fuck it up? FUCK!!!! I have 10 grams of phenobarb, 5 grams of amatrip, and hundreds of valium and xanax - this will have to do

I was thinking something like that too. I have amitriptiline, nortiptiline, tramadol, some hydrocodone, Lyrica, gabapentin and a few others. That way I figure if I do hang there for a long time, I'll either be too out of it to tell or the pills will kill me first. I'm just worried they will cause me to do something stupid and mess up the process in some way. Obviously I'd wait until I was in position, but still, I'm paranoid.

 

[Someone123]

SM is sodium nitrite, and I was able to get 2 lbs for about $15, and that's enough to ctb for at lerast fifty people- it's dirt cheap. Sometimes it is peaceful, sometimes it is not as peaceful as people hope, but nowhere near as bad as full suspension. There is something called Stan's Guide on this site which provides details of this method- the link is:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/stans-guide-to-sn.27535/

I will say that it is a good idea to share your reasons to ctb to be sure if this is the right step for you. I do think that for people under thorty especially who have family member and/or friends who care about them there is often a way to get to recovery. It could be worth it to post about what has lead you to consider ctb. I do hope you find peace somehow. :)

 

[Dreamsindarkness]

SM is sodium nitrite, and I was able to get 2 lbs for about $15, and that's enough to ctb for at lerast fifty people- it's dirt cheap. Sometimes it is peaceful, sometimes it is not as peaceful as people hope, but nowhere near as bad as full suspension. There is something called Stan's Guide on this site which provides details of this method- the link is:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/stans-guide-to-sn.27535/

I will say that it is a good idea to share your reasons to ctb to be sure if this is the right step for you. I do think that for people under thorty especially who have family member and/or friends who care about them there is often a way to get to recovery. It could be worth it to post about what has lead you to consider ctb. I do hope you find peace somehow. :)

Thank you for the info. I could get my hands on some money, but in my current situation, I have no bank account to order it with. It sounds weird, but I gave no account and I don't drive (even though I'm 29). I posted my reasons in another thread. I have severe chronic pain. Horrible back pain, deep aches across both shoulders, body hair that hurts to rub on anything, do I have to shave everyday, burning pain in my feet and lower back, constant shortness of breath, tailbone pain that makes it impossible to sit up, ribpainthst makes it impossible to lay on my side... And that's only about half of it, so you can wee why I want to cbt (that's another phrase I've seen around, I get what it means, but not what it stands for). I've been fighting this for 7 or 8 years now. I've been to every doctor and specialist you can think of, tried at least a dozen medications, did physical therapy, went on strict diets and nothing has helped, in fact I've only gotten worse. This thing has finally beaten me and I'm just tired of fighting. I'm really sad to be doing it, because I have a very loving family who all care for me greatly and I hate to think of how i,'ll hurt them and all the memories I'll be missing out on, but I just can't do it much longer. Sorry for the rant, but you asked for it

 

[obafgkm]

I guess the most important thing for hanging is to make sure the rope will tighten round the neck sufficiently under weight (partial or full) and not loosen for any reason. Maybe loop round the neck twice?

A U shaped configuration is probably unreliable, because when the body struggles involuntarily, the neck might move and release the arteries briefly, letting blood flow to the brain, prolonging the process.

This is precisely fucking why I'm looking to use a very strong sedative to knock me unconscious after getting into position, so you can hang without being aware of anything. Chloroform rag in a plasterer's dust mask would a good option I think, but getting these chemicals is so hard. Someone sent me how to make your own chloroform earlier, but what if I fuck it up? FUCK!!!! I have 10 grams of phenobarb, 5 grams of amatrip, and hundreds of valium and xanax - this will have to do

The problem is, even sedated, the body will still struggle involuntarily later on. If the set up is flawed, it will still release the carotid arteries to let blood flow. If the setup is good, the person should be unconscious within seconds, with no chance of coming back, even without sedative.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

I was thinking something like that too. I have amitriptiline, nortiptiline, tramadol, some hydrocodone, Lyrica, gabapentin and a few others. That way I figure if I do hang there for a long time, I'll either be too out of it to tell or the pills will kill me first. I'm just worried they will cause me to do something stupid and mess up the process in some way. Obviously I'd wait until I was in position, but still, I'm paranoid.

Me too. I wish I had access to something that knocks you right out first.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

It is well documented that when oxygen is restricted the arms and legs move around trying to get oxygen into them- they move around randomly and not under a person's control. In a couple hanging videos I have seen here this happened very quickly, in well under a minute, this is one of the first things that happens, at least in these videos. So you can't count on being able to use your arms to do anything under conscious control once the process starts.

As far as the carotids being blocked, in a lot of cases they are not fully blocked so a person struggles for quite some time while their windpipe is closed off- it is terrifying from reports of people who have been rescued during the process. Full suspension is a reliable method that is not usually peaceful and it can take a while.

When I start to make those movements during a non lethal hanging it is time for my partner to let me down in order to avoid a brain damage. I am unconscious when I start to convulse, I only know it from the videos of my hangings.

This document
www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/14hangings.pdf
seem to confirm my experiences.

@ Dreamsindarkness
I used a 20 mm mooring rope for my hangings and my weight is 90 kg. The noose could not tighten it was only a loop. The knot was sometimes positioned in front of my ear and sometimes in the back of my neck, the different positions made no difference in terms of blacking out. It seems to be sufficient to close only one carotid, you cannot stay conscious when only one brain hemisphere is unconscious. The videos of my hangings show that the diameter of my neck was reduced about 50%, by far enough to close the carotids.

 

[Dreamsindarkness]

I guess the most important thing for hanging is to make sure the rope will tighten round the neck sufficiently under weight (partial or full) and not loosen for any reason. Maybe loop round the neck twice?

A U shaped configuration is probably unreliable, because when the body struggles involuntarily, the neck might move and release the arteries briefly, letting blood flow to the brain, prolonging the process.


The problem is, even sedated, the body will still struggle involuntarily later on. If the set up is flawed, it will still release the carotid arteries to let blood flow. If the setup is good, the person should be unconscious within seconds, with no chance of coming back, even without sedative.

Yeah, I heard a slip knot is best for this because it slides easily, but I'm a little worried. The rope I bought is about 12 mm or an inch and a half, which I hear is a decent size, but when I tie it into a slip knot, it moves well but doesn't seem to want to tighten all the way. Granted I didn't try hanging from it, I just pulled up with my hand, but I'm worried it will cause an issue

When I start to make those movements during a non lethal hanging it is time for my partner to let me down in order to avoid a brain damage. I am unconscious when I start to convulse, I only know it from the videos of my hangings.

This document
www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/14hangings.pdf
seem to confirm my experiences.

@ Dreamsindarkness
I used a 20 mm mooring rope for my hangings and my weight is 90 kg. The noose could not tighten it was only a loop. The knot was sometimes positioned in front of my ear and sometimes in the back of my neck, the different positions made no difference in terms of blacking out. It seems to be sufficient to close only one carotid, you cannot stay conscious when only one brain hemisphere is unconscious. The videos of my hangings show that the diameter of my neck was reduced about 50%, by far enough to close the carotids.

Sounds good to me. Why can't there be more stories like your? Everyone makes it seem like it's so difficult to get right, but your set up doesn't sound like anything special. Thanks for all the info you've been giving me, I appreciate it.

 

[Someone123]

When I start to make those movements during a non lethal hanging it is time for my partner to let me down in order to avoid a brain damage. I am unconscious when I start to convulse, I only know it from the videos of my hangings.

This document
www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/14hangings.pdf
seem to confirm my experiences.

@ Dreamsindarkness
I used a 20 mm mooring rope for my hangings and my weight is 90 kg. The noose could not tighten it was only a loop. The knot was sometimes positioned in front of my ear and sometimes in the back of my neck, the different positions made no difference in terms of blacking out. It seems to be sufficient to close only one carotid, you cannot stay conscious when only one brain hemisphere is unconscious. The videos of my hangings show that the diameter of my neck was reduced about 50%, by far enough to close the carotids.

How long until you pass out- did yo experience any distress or pain?

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

How long until you pass out- did yo experience any distress or pain?

The pressure on the neck is surprisingly high and the vertical stress in my neck too, but I was full of adrenaline so it was bearable during that 5 to 15 seconds until I passed out.

 

[Dreamsindarkness]

Honestly as someone who has tried hanging before I would not recommend it, the suffocation is scary, the survival instinct also makes you completely 100% regret it during the act, no matter how crappy your life is. You only die once so I think maybe it's best to prepare with SN or N or something. Of course it depends on your circumstances.

Sorry to ask again, but I'm just making sure you didn't miss it by accident. Yeah, sadly I can't get my hands on SN. You say you tried hanging (full?), what I'm confused about is why some people seem to pass out quickly and other people suffocate. Would you mind sharing the details? Like what type and size of rope you used? What knot did you use? How did you survive? I figure if I gather enough data, I can figure ou the difference between suffocation and just passing out