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Deathisbetter

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This stupid bitch attacking SS and being obsessed with the site and wanting its closure


I believe she has an account on here and a friend of hers to.

as she has many screenshots of our discussions aswell is there anything the mods can do she also reported Judahs discord server why is she aloud to violate our privacy and bush us and mock us on her accounts she even has a facebook account where she made fun of certain members on here

I understand she lost her son and its sad but does she really have to bully other suicidal people she is just as worse

she can't stop me from ctb anyway I hope this site lives long and prospers lol
she might come after the discord server next she was also mocking the mods for the ddos attack
its just disgusting that she bullies people on here I get it your son died and it is really sad but attacking the only site we have to vent and feel understood and attacking the vulnerable and suicidal people here doesn't make you a hero
 

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Catherine - get off Twitter and look into some quality grief counseling. Check out some books; I recommend Pema Chödrön's 'When Things Fall Apart'.

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Waging a war against physical and psychological autonomy here is futile.
 
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While I'm sure parents go through a lot following the death of their child, I don't understand why their anger is targeted at this forum. Let's imagine SaSu didn't exist— if someone is desperate enough to end their life they'll do it anyway, only alone and likely by a more painful method than those popularised here. I have yet to see significant statistical evidence proving that suicide rates have increased since SaSu's inception.

Even if you argue that they would've lived if not for the site, they'd still be experiencing the pain and suicidal ideation that caused them to ctb in another timeline— and they'd be alone, likely with no one to relate to— trapped with no way out. If you cared about your kid's wellbeing, you could opt to raise awareness about depression or whatever it was that led them to the edge in the first place. Because that's what hurt them. Not SaSu.

This forum is just an easy scapegoat, I guess.
 
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Forever Sleep

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While I'm sure parents go through a lot following the death of their child, I don't understand why their anger is targeted at this forum. Let's imagine SaSu didn't exist— if someone is desperate enough to end their life they'll do it anyway, only alone and likely by a more painful method than those popularised here. I have yet to see significant statistical evidence proving that suicide rates have increased since SaSu's inception.

Even if you argue that they would've lived if not for the site, they'd still be experiencing the pain and suicidal ideation that caused them to ctb in another timeline— and they'd be alone, likely with no one to relate to— trapped with no way out. If you cared about your kid's wellbeing, you could opt to raise awareness about depression or whatever it was that led them to the edge in the first place. Because that's what hurt them. Not SaSu.

This forum is just an easy scapegoat, I guess.

I do feel very sad for them but I feel more sad for their child. I wonder if they REALLY consider just how awful their child must have felt to have gotten to that point. Sometime's I wonder if it's just easier for them to think that their child was brainwashed into doing it- rather than that they made a conscious decision to leave. Not that that happens here but we've already seen that any response that isn't- 'Call this helpline' really isn't welcomed by pro-lifers.

Do they REALLY believe that their child didn't know their own mind I wonder? I don't know- maybe they do. Maybe they didn't in fact. It's a very difficult topic. I think I did tend to react in a more extreme and emotional way when I was young. I certainly felt less able to cope. Still- I've had ideation since I was 10. I'm not so sure I was anymore 'wrong' in my ideation when I was 16/17 than I am now.

Personally, I don't like the thought of minors being here- but- that's a problem with the internet in general. I don't have kids. Maybe it's impossible to control what they have access to online. Still, I would think that's a big part of being a parent in this day and age- becoming tech savy. Don't parental locks block sites like this? Plus yeah- it does really sadden me that parents don't even notice that something is that wrong. I suppose mine didn't though.

It's something I struggle with because I DO know what it's like to feel like this as a minor. It's hard to say how my life would have unfolded had I found a site like this in my late teens. I didn't really start using the internet till I was in my 20's. (I'm old!) Personally- it likely wouldn't have made me CTB any sooner. I've always hoped I could hang on for my closest family members to go first. Still- I wonder if it would have sapped my hope for the future. I did at least have hope back then- not that it has 'saved me' in the long run. Still- I get the impression many of the young adults here have already lost hope- that's why they're here! It's hard to get it back when you've lost it. This probably isn't the place to do that though. How can we possibly provide meaningful hope to other people when we don't believe in it ourselves?

I guess the concern is that in general- people ARE more likely to go ahead with the more reliable, relatively peaceful methods out there. Still- the mechanics of that thinking is pretty sadistic really- we only want you to have access to the really brutal methods. Plus- it's better if you don't really know what you're doing- that way- you'll only maim yourself... 😬 I guess it's the last bastion for them to prevent suicide but- like you say- there should be more effort put into why people- young and old become suicidal to begin with.

Plus- these relatively peaceful methods aren't usually that easy to come by- especially not now. I also find it odd that they don't seem to acknowledge the level of determination that that person had to obtain their method. Can you really be that impulsive if you have to get enough money, find a source, try and evade any age/ identity checking, get it sent somewhere it won't be intercepted, obtain any other supporting substances, hide the lot, then find a time and place you can be alone to take it... It just doesn't sound very impulsive to me.

I don't know. It's such a tricky subject. It always is when it comes to minors. I watched a documentary called 'Supersize vs. Superskinny' the other day and it touched on pro-anorexia sites. That I did struggle with because they did feel wrong to me. It would REALLY trouble me if I was a parent with a child who was struggling. Still- I couldn't help but think- maybe that's hypocritical of me. I'd say I was on the borderline of having an eating disorder myself at one point. But yeah- I guess they must view sites like this as just as dangerous as that- if not, more.
 
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Hi Catherine!!
 
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Praestat_Mori

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May 21, 2023
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Catherine, it's always easier to blame someone else when sth went wrong but it's disgusting to attack a refuge for people who also don't have someone they can talk to about their real problems.
 
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I do feel very sad for them but I feel more sad for their child. I wonder if they REALLY consider just how awful their child must have felt to have gotten to that point. Sometime's I wonder if it's just easier for them to think that their child was brainwashed into doing it- rather than that they made a conscious decision to leave. Not that that happens here but we've already seen that any response that isn't- 'Call this helpline' really isn't welcomed by pro-lifers.
Yes— I imagine there could be an element of guilt involved in knowing that they didn't see the signs or couldn't prevent it from happening. And it's probably easier to blame other people than it is to blame an intangible psychological/neurological/physiological disorder which are often what drive young people to commit suicide.

Personally, I don't like the thought of minors being here- but- that's a problem with the internet in general. I don't have kids. Maybe it's impossible to control what they have access to online. Still, I would think that's a big part of being a parent in this day and age- becoming tech savy. Don't parental locks block sites like this? Plus yeah- it does really sadden me that parents don't even notice that something is that wrong. I suppose mine didn't though.
Agreed, minors probably shouldn't be here. But it's not the responsibility of the mods here to employ a more stringent verification process— for a platform like this where anonymity is often crucial, how exactly would age be verified anyway?

This probably isn't the place to do that though. How can we possibly provide meaningful hope to other people when we don't believe in it ourselves?
Precisely— the function of this forum isn't to provide hope, it's to bring together people who are in some sense, in the same boat, and allow them to speak freely about subjects and emotions they can't anywhere else. It allows feelings and experiences to be understood and related to in ways they aren't or can't be, anywhere else. That is a worthy cause.

I guess the concern is that in general- people ARE more likely to go ahead with the more reliable, relatively peaceful methods out there. Still- the mechanics of that thinking is pretty sadistic really- we only want you to have access to the really brutal methods. Plus- it's better if you don't really know what you're doing- that way- you'll only maim yourself... 😬
I suppose it goes back to the peculiar notion that life is sacred-- invaluable to the point that a life of pain, be it physical or psychological, is better than no life at all.

Plus- these relatively peaceful methods aren't usually that easy to come by- especially not now. I also find it odd that they don't seem to acknowledge the level of determination that that person had to obtain their method. Can you really be that impulsive if you have to get enough money, find a source, try and evade any age/ identity checking, get it sent somewhere it won't be intercepted, obtain any other supporting substances, hide the lot, then find a time and place you can be alone to take it... It just doesn't sound very impulsive to me.
Great point. Decisions and actions meditated to this degree don't stem from something as trivial as the comments of internet strangers. It's ridiculous to think they would.

That I did struggle with because they did feel wrong to me.
Understandable. There's a difference between ending your pain and augmenting it, which is what eating disorders do. I'm glad that you didn't develop one.

(Also, exactly how old was Catherine's son?)
 
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this bint needs to do one seriously, and wind her elongated no doubt very unwashed rigged neck in lol, she should go worry about world affairs with her pro normie pro life ilk, and leave us here to contemplate to our own devices, what a strumpet lol 🤪 sorry i couldnt resist, long live sasu ! 🤓❤️
 
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ApparentlyNot

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Jul 8, 2023
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"and attacking the vulnerable and suicidal people here doesn't make you a hero"
how exactly has she attacked people specifically? I know you said something about her making fun of members? Did she do this to specific individuals? or are you simply referring to her trying to get the site taken down as "attacking the vulnerable?"

I checked out this lady's twitter, first of all, she is one person, one grieving mother - there are legitimate organizations trying to take away the rights of SS, and there are people who consider themselves "white hats" constantly sending illegal DDoS attacks our way, on a perfectly legal website, preventing us from actually accessing the forum. I'm just confused why tf this lady is even a concern. She doesn't get our ideology, and that's NORMAL, that's why we have this space to speak with like minded people, and while I'd love to have a prochoice debate with someone, a grieving mother isn't going to be the best person to process or seriously consider that information or perspective. Genuinely wondering how she has actually impacted us...

Yes, she is absolutely looking to place the blame somewhere to give herself something to keep her psyche together following her son's death. She cannot understand that there is no one to blame, and that her son made a decision that she simply refuses to acknowledge. That sucks for us, to be painted as villains, when we are all people just like her son, but come on, have some fucking empathy for her even if she has none for us.

Sorry if I make anyone mad with this, I am very open to hearing why my perspective is wrong if you are not aggressive or mean.
 
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Yes— I imagine there could be an element of guilt involved in knowing that they didn't see the signs or couldn't prevent it from happening. And it's probably easier to blame other people than it is to blame an intangible psychological/neurological/physiological disorder which are often what drive young people to commit suicide.


Agreed, minors probably shouldn't be here. But it's not the responsibility of the mods here to employ a more stringent verification process— for a platform like this where anonymity is often crucial, how exactly would age be verified anyway?


Precisely— the function of this forum isn't to provide hope, it's to bring together people who are in some sense, in the same boat, and allow them to speak freely about subjects and emotions they can't anywhere else. It allows feelings and experiences to be understood and related to in ways they aren't or can't be, anywhere else. That is a worthy cause.


I suppose it goes back to the peculiar notion that life is sacred-- invaluable to the point that a life of pain, be it physical or psychological, is better than no life at all.


Great point. Decisions and actions meditated to this degree don't stem from something as trivial as the comments of internet strangers. It's ridiculous to think they would.


Understandable. There's a difference between ending your pain and augmenting it, which is what eating disorders do. I'm glad that you didn't develop one.

(Also, exactly how old was Catherine's son?)

Thank you for taking the time to respond. Yes- I agree. Our mods already do so much for this forum. With the necessary annonymity- it would be difficult to verify age. Plus- not being funny- but if a minor is so desperate to get on here- they'll surely just fake ID to do it. How could our mods really detect a fake?

Besides, I guess I'm old fashioned but up until the age of 18- I think parents do have the right and responsibility to try and monitor what their children look at. Another reason I'm not a parent- I truly wouldn't know how else to look after a child other than being way too over protective. That poor child would hate me I'm sure!

That's a very good point about self harm via eating disorders vs. suicide. I don't know. I just get the impression that there are some sick perverts on those ED forums encouraging youngsters to do that to themselves. I know they think there are people here also doing that but I've honestly not come across them here- as far as I can tell. I think the majority of people here are genuine. I haven't been on those ED forums though. Maybe they do provide people with comfort. I don't know. I'd like to hope they have 'recovery' sections like here.

I don't know how old Catherine's son was actually. I don't really know much about her to be honest. I'd like to add though- that- not all parents react the same. One time, a mother actually came on here to talk about her daughter who had CTB. She was actually grateful for the people here who had spoken to her daughter with compassion. I thought she was tremendously brave. I hope I'd react like that if someone I knew CTB. I think it's so important to respect what that person must have been going through to get to that point. I guess we come at it from an 'advantage' though- seeing as we feel more able to relate I suppose.
 
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I'm pretty sure mods do not want us coming after these people. Hard to go for a grieving family member in any way that could be interpreted as good form. Catherine is, I think, a sister of a former SaSu member. A boy who had a disorder that went undiagnosed, and she blames us for that.
She and her little group of friends have multiple accounts and recently they, on Twitter, got quite vicious with a couple of users here, using words that were worth deleting the tweets. They're illbred monkeys with low levels of understanding. And not the ones behind the ddos attacks, or those would have happened a year ago.
One thing tney do, and I've said this before, is watch for people saying when and where they'll jump, and calling the authorities. They're here daily, and it's best for everyone to be mindful of that.
 
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along these lines watch out for bait posts I feel like I've been seeing more fake accounts but maybe I'm wrong
 
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Please know that I'm not defending this person in any way; in fact, I have no idea who she is, or what's been going on.

However, I am parent, who came across some expressions of suicidal intent in their child. Despite my being on this site, and expressing my own feelings in this regard, I was horrified, and literally WOULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING to prevent my child from harming themself (we found them counseling, which has helped). I cannot imagine what the suicide of a child would do to a parent. And I really cannot cut a parent enough slack in such a situation. This person is literally out of their mind with grief. They want an enemy, or a cause, or an explanation. They want someone to blame. And truthfully, I wouldn't be surprised if their efforts directed against SaSu are partly keeping them alive. Hard to judge someone, anyone, without waking in their shoes for a bit.
 
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I believe Catherine feels guilty over the death of her child and feels the need to blame someone or something and therefore blames SS. SS is here for adults not minors. IF minors are on this site maybe their parents are not monitoring what sites thier kids are on.
 
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Please know that I'm not defending this person in any way; in fact, I have no idea who she is, or what's been going on.

However, I am parent, who came across some expressions of suicidal intent in their child. Despite my being on this site, and expressing my own feelings in this regard, I was horrified, and literally WOULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING to prevent my child from harming themself (we found them counseling, which has helped). I cannot imagine what the suicide of a child would do to a parent. And I really cannot cut a parent enough slack in such a situation. This person is literally out of their mind with grief. They want an enemy, or a cause, or an explanation. They want someone to blame. And truthfully, I wouldn't be surprised if their efforts directed against SaSu are partly keeping them alive. Hard to judge someone, anyone, without waking in their shoes for a bit.
My god, good luck with your kid. It's a helpless place to be in. Mine has depression encoded into his very dna, and all I've been able to do so far is teach him how to safeguard himself against disappointment.
 
SexyIncél

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Please know that I'm not defending this person in any way; in fact, I have no idea who she is, or what's been going on.

However, I am parent, who came across some expressions of suicidal intent in their child. Despite my being on this site, and expressing my own feelings in this regard, I was horrified, and literally WOULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING to prevent my child from harming themself (we found them counseling, which has helped). I cannot imagine what the suicide of a child would do to a parent. And I really cannot cut a parent enough slack in such a situation. This person is literally out of their mind with grief. They want an enemy, or a cause, or an explanation. They want someone to blame. And truthfully, I wouldn't be surprised if their efforts directed against SaSu are partly keeping them alive. Hard to judge someone, anyone, without waking in their shoes for a bit.
How'd you feel if this woman threatened to take away your child? Because that's what Creepy Catherine did to our own @EmmaD's well-loved children

After Catherine's own 23 year old son Joe committed suicide complaining of "no family love". In contrast, he said SaSu people were "amazing and so supportive to one another! ❤️" He's one of us & my sympathy's with him

And to counter Creepy Catherine's propaganda: SaSu people saved my life. Furthermore, today someone from SaSu messaged me "thank you lol. i really wouldn't be here without you. would a killed myself if you didnt pick up". She was sex-trafficked by her parents. If she killed herself, no doubt her mom would flip the script & win Mother of the Year

I mean, look at how many followers Creepy Catherine has: 160! We're her main audience. No one else cares, because she's clearly nasty, so she tries tricking us into inflating her view count

These kidnapping creeps are out to destroy a site that helps everyone deal with the global suicide epidemic. And they FAIL to cancel us time & time again
 
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My heart hurts for her from the perspective that she lost her son. I cannot imagine what it must be like to grapple with that. Grief makes people do things that allow them to feel like they have some type of control over the situation. It's sad because the average person would agree with her on this. But what she fails to understand is that a website like this allows for us adults who really truly need a painless way out to benefit so greatly. In many ways, I have not caught the bus yet because of the community SS has given me. The goal is NOT suicide, but to provide safety to talk about it. And accepting that there are cases in which it might just be the answer. And if so, why not make sure that person has the resources to go peacefully? Fighting against SS may feel like an act of justice, but honestly, pro-lifers are the actual selfish, cruel ones here.
 
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While I'm sure parents go through a lot following the death of their child, I don't understand why their anger is targeted at this forum. Let's imagine SaSu didn't exist— if someone is desperate enough to end their life they'll do it anyway, only alone and likely by a more painful method than those popularised here. I have yet to see significant statistical evidence proving that suicide rates have increased since SaSu's inception.

Even if you argue that they would've lived if not for the site, they'd still be experiencing the pain and suicidal ideation that caused them to ctb in another timeline— and they'd be alone, likely with no one to relate to— trapped with no way out. If you cared about your kid's wellbeing, you could opt to raise awareness about depression or whatever it was that led them to the edge in the first place. Because that's what hurt them. Not SaSu.

This forum is just an easy scapegoat, I guess.
Blame shifting. Just like when someone getting violently bullied for years kills a classmate. Parents get the blame.
For a parent to admit their actions or lack thereof might have caused the death of their child would mean that the only thing left for them would be to commit suicide as well. In her own way, she's trying to survive. Still, I have to agree with the sentiment expressed by the poster. Fuck this.
 
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