While I'm sure parents go through a lot following the death of their child, I don't understand why their anger is targeted at this forum. Let's imagine SaSu didn't exist— if someone is desperate enough to end their life they'll do it anyway, only alone and likely by a more painful method than those popularised here. I have yet to see significant statistical evidence proving that suicide rates have increased since SaSu's inception.
Even if you argue that they would've lived if not for the site, they'd still be experiencing the pain and suicidal ideation that caused them to ctb in another timeline— and they'd be alone, likely with no one to relate to— trapped with no way out. If you cared about your kid's wellbeing, you could opt to raise awareness about depression or whatever it was that led them to the edge in the first place. Because that's what hurt them. Not SaSu.
This forum is just an easy scapegoat, I guess.
I do feel very sad for them but I feel more sad for their child. I wonder if they REALLY consider just how awful their child must have felt to have gotten to that point. Sometime's I wonder if it's just easier for them to think that their child was brainwashed into doing it- rather than that they made a conscious decision to leave. Not that that happens here but we've already seen that any response that isn't- 'Call this helpline' really isn't welcomed by pro-lifers.
Do they REALLY believe that their child didn't know their own mind I wonder? I don't know- maybe they do. Maybe they didn't in fact. It's a very difficult topic. I think I did tend to react in a more extreme and emotional way when I was young. I certainly felt less able to cope. Still- I've had ideation since I was 10. I'm not so sure I was anymore 'wrong' in my ideation when I was 16/17 than I am now.
Personally, I don't like the thought of minors being here- but- that's a problem with the internet in general. I don't have kids. Maybe it's impossible to control what they have access to online. Still, I would think that's a big part of being a parent in this day and age- becoming tech savy. Don't parental locks block sites like this? Plus yeah- it does really sadden me that parents don't even notice that something is that wrong. I suppose mine didn't though.
It's something I struggle with because I DO know what it's like to feel like this as a minor. It's hard to say how my life would have unfolded had I found a site like this in my late teens. I didn't really start using the internet till I was in my 20's. (I'm old!) Personally- it likely wouldn't have made me CTB any sooner. I've always hoped I could hang on for my closest family members to go first. Still- I wonder if it would have sapped my hope for the future. I did at least have hope back then- not that it has 'saved me' in the long run. Still- I get the impression many of the young adults here have already lost hope- that's why they're here! It's hard to get it back when you've lost it. This probably isn't the place to do that though. How can we possibly provide meaningful hope to other people when we don't believe in it ourselves?
I guess the concern is that in general- people ARE more likely to go ahead with the more reliable, relatively peaceful methods out there. Still- the mechanics of that thinking is pretty sadistic really- we only want you to have access to the really brutal methods. Plus- it's better if you don't really know what you're doing- that way- you'll only maim yourself...
I guess it's the last bastion for them to prevent suicide but- like you say- there should be more effort put into why people- young and old become suicidal to begin with.
Plus- these relatively peaceful methods aren't usually that easy to come by- especially not now. I also find it odd that they don't seem to acknowledge the level of determination that that person had to obtain their method. Can you really be that impulsive if you have to get enough money, find a source, try and evade any age/ identity checking, get it sent somewhere it won't be intercepted, obtain any other supporting substances, hide the lot, then find a time and place you can be alone to take it... It just doesn't sound very impulsive to me.
I don't know. It's such a tricky subject. It always is when it comes to minors. I watched a documentary called 'Supersize vs. Superskinny' the other day and it touched on pro-anorexia sites. That I did struggle with because they did feel wrong to me. It would REALLY trouble me if I was a parent with a child who was struggling. Still- I couldn't help but think- maybe that's hypocritical of me. I'd say I was on the borderline of having an eating disorder myself at one point. But yeah- I guess they must view sites like this as just as dangerous as that- if not, more.