Discussion Fear of psychiatric hospitalisation is one of the primary reasons that older men don't talk about suicide with their physicians.

[Reapentence]

What is your opinion on this?

 

[Jodes]

I think it's bait to expose Reddit accounts

 

[Meretlein]

I saw that earlier. I would say it is a completely understandable and rational fear. Stay out of the psych ward guys.

 

[GeorgeJL]

Yeah sounds about right. Nothing wrong with telling your doctor your depressed though. They only hospitalize you if you have plans to end your life.

 

[lemmeeleev]

Not just older men who won't talk about suicide out of fear of going to a hospital. I won't either because of this fear, and I'm not a guy and I'm 17. This might be the main reason people won't say anything when they have suicidal thoughts and therefore doing the same when/if they have a plan.

 

[Reapentence]

Not just older men who won't talk about suicide out of fear of going to a hospital. I won't either because of this fear, and I'm not a guy and I'm 17. This might be the main reason people won't say anything when they have suicidal thoughts and therefore doing the same when/if they have a plan.

I agree, it definitely extends further than just "older men".

 

[Jean Améry]

Apparantly older men in general are pretty sane and rational. Everybody and their mother knows suicidal ideation is punishable by incarceration in the looney bin let alone making plans and acquiring the means.

What I don't understand is why anybody would willingly be taken prisoner by these quacks. You're practically garanteed to come out worse than you went in.

How effing insane must one be to equate deprivation of liberty, dehumanization and chemical and physical torture with sound medical treatment?

The irony is that these 'researchers' actually seem surprised by that finding: as if fear of imprisonement would actually be irrational. Surely the DSM-6 will contain a new form of mental illness that consists primarely of being fearful of psychiatry and it's welcoming locked doors, straightjackets, violence and forced poisening.

 

[Jodes]

The irony is that these 'researchers' actually seem surprised by that finding: as if fear of imprisonement would actually be irrational. Surely the DSM-6 will contain a new form of mental illness that consists primarely of being fearful of psychiatry and it's welcoming locked doors, straightjackets, violence and forced poisening.

Have we met before? Were one of us our previous lives or something?

I was traumatized by my last 1 month stay.

 

[kkbrn]

I don't fit that description- I'm a young woman- but honestly the fear of hospitalization is the reason I never talk about suicide with my psychiatric

 

[Your Own Ghost]

The bureaucratic hold the mental "health" industry has over modern medicine is disgusting. It's so prevalent that one can hardly discuss skepticism toward psychiatric drugs without coming across as anti-medicine. And as this article and the numerous Reddit comments tell, the system is designed as a power authority and the results are enough to traumatize people and wreck what life they are holding onto.

Many come to learn the hard way. I was both surprised and saddened to see people on Reddit calling out the suicide hotline. It's about time, but any dissenting voices will likely be down-voted in the conformity machine the next time "mental health awareness" pops up after a celebrity's death. People will be torn from their homes, locked up, dehumanized, forcibly drugged, billed, and then stigmatized.

I've heard and shared the sentiment over and over again throughout my years that being locked up didn't help – but people learn if they're going to kill themselves, do it so there's no doubt left. In other words, being "helped" has become a very real fear. A fate worse than death.

My hope would be for information such as this to change what currently transpires. But the truth is probably closer to the fact that if any changes are made, it'll be the mental health industry digging their heels in deeper. Maybe next they'll start labeling individuals "at risk" and take what they say or admit to as extraneous before taking their rights away.

 

[Reapentence]

The bureaucratic hold the mental "health" industry has over modern medicine is disgusting. It's so prevalent that one can hardly discuss skepticism toward psychiatric drugs without coming across as anti-medicine. And as this article and the numerous Reddit comments tell, the system is designed as a power authority and the results are enough to traumatize people and wreck what life they are holding onto.

Many come to learn the hard way. I was both surprised and saddened to see people on Reddit calling out the suicide hotline. It's about time, but any dissenting voices will likely be down-voted in the conformity machine the next time "mental health awareness" pops up after a celebrity's death. People will be torn from their homes, locked up, dehumanized, forcibly drugged, billed, and then stigmatized.

I've heard and shared the sentiment over and over again throughout my years that being locked up didn't help – but people learn if they're going to kill themselves, do it so there's no doubt left. In other words, being "helped" has become a very real fear. A fate worse than death.

My hope would be for information such as this to change what currently transpires. But the truth is probably closer to the fact that if any changes are made, it'll be the mental health industry digging their heels in deeper. Maybe next they'll start labeling individuals "at risk" and take what they say or admit to as extraneous before taking their rights away.

When I was admitted, I refused to take any medication as I feared becoming dependant. Luckily I managed to fake my way out, which is pretty fucked up that I had to do that but honestly the way I see it: psych wards make your life 100 times worse so that once you come out your life seems 100 times better. And it did, temporarily.

 

[TAW122]

But the truth is probably closer to the fact that if any changes are made, it'll be the mental health industry digging their heels in deeper. Maybe next they'll start labeling individuals "at risk" and take what they say or admit to as extraneous before taking their rights away.

Oh my god, I hope that isn't the case. I do know that if things like that happen, I may consider ctb'ing sooner before they start to pry into my life, my thoughts, and even ideas that are dissenting. I'm a bit surprised that the general populace hasn't drawn a line between the civil rights and medical treatment. I do fear that even when the populace does catch on to the problem, it may well be too late...

 

[Hennessy]

Never tell anyone.

 

[1964dodge]

I checked what the limits are with my therapist. I said I only had ideation. my doctor kind of pushed me to see a therapist because he thought I was in crises. I want to tell the truth and maybe get help but i'm afraid of involuntary hospitalization, i'm 61 male. how many suicides have happened because of fear of mental health services

 

[Jean Améry]

Have we met before? Were one of us our previous lives or something?

I was traumatized by my last 1 month stay.

Who knows? I'm sorry to hear about your disasterous experience with the mental prison system. Luckily I was never involuntarily committed but I do know what it's like to be treated like shit by these self-appointed, narcissistic pseudo-experts.

I hope you feel better now. If you want to talk about your experience feel free to PM me. Or just start a thread of course.

Never tell anyone.

In general: yes. Unless you really could trust that person to keep their word but that's rather rare.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

What is your opinion on this?

Agreed.

 

[406metallicblue]

Every time i talk honestly to a doctor or psychiatrist about 'dark thoughts' and suicide i ended up in a psychiatric hospital. I don't tell them anymore. Each time they asked me if i was okay to go there and i said yes. i'm not sure what happens if you say no and i don't really want to find out. I have tried their methods and really the wards weren't too bad at all, it just doesn't achieve anything for me anymore.

 

[406metallicblue]

Who knows? I'm sorry to hear about your disasterous experience with the mental prison system. Luckily I was never involuntarily committed but I do know what it's like to be treated like shit by these self-appointed, narcissistic pseudo-experts.

I hope you feel better now. If you want to talk about your experience feel free to PM me. Or just start a thread of course.


In general: yes. Unless you really could trust that person to keep their word but that's rather rare.

Telling most people that you are suicidal will result in them freaking out and you becoming more isolated. When i was admitted the first time i asked a friend of mine to collect some stuff for me but keep it to themselves, the person i felt i could most trust. She later blabbed to her mother and so now everyone knows i spent time in a psychiatric hospital. By now i don't really give a shit but it would have been nice to have at least one person i could trust.

 

[Jean Améry]

I don't fit that description- I'm a young woman- but honestly the fear of hospitalization is the reason I never talk about suicide with my psychiatric

Clearly rationality is not exclusively reserved to older men, lol. I would encourage you to to share your feelings here whenever you feel the need to. It's not healthy to keep these things bottled up. Which is one of the reasons the suicide prohibition is so counterproductive.

Telling most people that you are suicidal will result in them freaking out and you becoming more isolated. When i was admitted the first time i asked a friend of mine to collect some stuff for me but keep it to themselves, the person i felt i could most trust. She later blabbed to her mother and so now everyone knows i spent time in a psychiatric hospital. By now i don't really give a shit but it would have been nice to have at least one person i could trust.

Quite true, or at least that's been my experience aswell. I lost three dear friends that way including my best friend who was like a brother to me.

My remaining friends don't know and they won't untill I'm gone and they'll learn it that way. It's the only way to keep them and remain free. Which is sad really but that's just the way it is. I would love to be able to talk about this with people I care about but I can't.

Psychiatric stigma is awful and damaging to one's social relations, education, career... That's the real 'taboo surrounding mental illness': as soon as people know they'll likely treat you like a leper. Psychiatry doesn't lessen the stigma of mental illness: it adds to it by emphasizing the supposedly irrationality of people who are hurting mentally and emotionally and explain their desire to escape from that pain as the height of insanity.

Yeah sounds about right. Nothing wrong with telling your doctor your depressed though. They only hospitalize you if you have plans to end your life.

I'm pretty sure cutting oneself can also be a reason as can self-neglect or experiencing psychosis. Of course I only know the law in my own country but the condition 'dangerousness to oneself' generally isn't limited to suicide.

 

[TAW122]

Quite true, or at least that's been my experience aswell. I lost three dear friends that way including my best friend who was like a brother to me.

My remaining friends don't know and they won't untill I'm gone and they'll learn it that way. It's the only way to keep them and remain free. Which is sad really but that's just the way it is. I would love to be able to talk about this with people I care about but I can't.

Psychiatric stigma is awful and damaging to one's social relations, education, career... That's the real 'taboo surrounding mental illness': as soon as people know they'll likely treat you like a leper. Psychiatry doesn't lessen the stigma of mental illness: it adds to it by emphasizing the supposedly irrationality of people who are hurting mentally and emotionally and explain their desire to escape from that pain as the height of insanity.

This is why I haven't talked about suicide or death openly with anyone IRL. Mainly for the fear that they may be prying and probing into my life as well as my secrets. Then the worst thing is being detained (or threatened with involuntary force) against my will, thus I simply cannot risk it, the consequences are FAR too great and my life would turn to utter shit in an instant. Yes, it truly sucks that this is the reality that we face and live with.

Admitting to suicidal thoughts, ideation, or a plan is almost similar to admitting that to a serious heinous crime and also self-incrimination, at least the severity of it is like that (imho). Thus, I see it like, if one wouldn't admit to serious crimes or other taboos, then IRL one would never broach the topic of suicide or death, for the fear of consequences.

 

[Jean Améry]

This is why I haven't talked about suicide or death openly with anyone IRL. Mainly for the fear that they may be prying and probing into my life as well as my secrets. Then the worst thing is being detained (or threatened with involuntary force) against my will, thus I simply cannot risk it, the consequences are FAR too great and my life would turn to utter shit in an instant. Yes, it truly sucks that this is the reality that we face and live with.

Admitting to suicidal thoughts, ideation, or a plan is almost similar to admitting that to a serious heinous crime and also self-incrimination, at least the severity of it is like that (imho). Thus, I see it like, if one wouldn't admit to serious crimes or other taboos, then IRL one would never broach the topic of suicide or death, for the fear of consequences.

I agree completely. In the current socio-political and legal climate admitting to suicidal ideation and especially to having plans and the means amounts to confessing the intention and preparation to commit a crime (even when it technically isn't against unlawful as in forbidden by the criminal law). It will put you in grave danger and you will be made to suffer for it. Your need for secrecy and privacy seems entirely reasonable to me. Protecting one's freedom and privacy is eminently rational and prudent.

A while back I was drinking and generally having fun with one of my oldest friends and we were discussing the subject of mental illness, freedom and involuntary commitment. Which is not unusual as I habitually discuss political and philosophical topics with him. Suddenly he asks me if I entertain the thought of doing it myself...

I was very tempted to tell him as he admitted to having been suicidal himself once and I felt completely alone with this but something inside me remained rational (inspite of the alcohol level in my blood) and I said no. I never felt more alone than at that moment.

Something similar happened when I was dumb enough to show the draft of my essay on antinatalism to a girl I was seeing (it's still not clear whether it'll ever be romantic or just fun) and while we were at a bar she popped the same question: do you ever consider suicide? Again I wanted to confide in her but my rational mind stopped me and I told her no. Of course antinatalism doesn't logically imply suicide or being suicidal but either she thought it did or I gave off a certain vibe.

To me this is incredibly sad and heart-wrenching: in this sick, heartless society you can't admit to deep suffering, hopelessness, intense fear or a perceived inability to cope which are the roots of the desire to die or you will be prosecuted to the fullest of the mental health law(s).

Some day future generations will look upon this barbarity and will recognise it for what it is.

 

[been_there]

Good posts. Sad but true. Society needs to appear civilised (mass hypocricy and self-deceit) and life is an utterly selfish entity.

 

[PatKat]

Psych wards strip all your rights, lock you in, and treat you like a child... that doesnt help the issue. Avoid at all costs!

 

[Jolene40]

Yeah sounds about right. Nothing wrong with telling your doctor your depressed though. They only hospitalize you if you have plans to end your life.

I am astounded this happens. I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen in the U.k. thank goodness. No one gives a stuff so forcibly sectioning someone is abhorrent. It isn't done out of compassion that's for sure. Would they even do this in a case of someone with a terminal illness in the U.S?

 

[GeorgeJL]

I am astounded this happens. I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen in the U.k. thank goodness. No one gives a stuff so forcibly sectioning someone is abhorrent. It isn't done out of compassion that's for sure. Would they even do this in a case of someone with a terminal illness in the U.S?

Yes they would. The reason why is that if they don't then they could be sued by family of the person that took their life.

 

[PatKat]

I am astounded this happens. I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen in the U.k. thank goodness. No one gives a stuff so forcibly sectioning someone is abhorrent. It isn't done out of compassion that's for sure. Would they even do this in a case of someone with a terminal illness in the U.S?

Probaly yes... they even take our phones, and we have like 15 minutes a day to use the phones on the wall. They are prison for the mentally ill.

 

[Jolene40]

Yes they would. The reason why is that if they don't then they could be sued by family of the person that took their life.

Dear God, this is true horror. So someone would be left screaming either physically or mentally for days on end but as long as they're alive eh. People buy into the myth that you get cared for well and that medical profession truly cares. They absolutely don't. It's just bare minimum

 

[BipolarExpat]

Let's not forget the HEFTY bill waiting when one is released....could easily top $10,000.

 

[PatKat]

Let's not forget the HEFTY bill waiting when one is released....could easily top $10,000.

How could I forget that!

 

[GeorgeJL]

Dear God, this is true horror. So someone would be left screaming either physically or mentally for days on end but as long as they're alive eh. People buy into the myth that you get cared for well and that medical profession truly cares. They absolutely don't. It's just bare minimum

On the Doctor Oz show when they were talking about Doctor assisted suicide, they said that someone was screaming at the top of their lungs in the hospital for days and nobody could do anything to help them. Apparently the pain medications were doing nothing.