Fear of non-existing.

[No Unique Abilities]

Hi, is there anyone who can't finally ctb only beceause of fear of nonexisting? a terrifying dark void? Did anyone know anyone who committed suicide and can tell you how these people got over it? Maybe they didn't have these thoughts at all?

 

[bigfishlittlefish]

That fear tells you that you don't really want to be dead. Not really.

 

[Eternal Oblivion]

You can only fear non-existance while alive.

Here is a nice quote by Epicurus:

"Why should I fear death?
If I am, then death is not.
If Death is, then I am not.
Why should I fear that which can only exist when I do not?

 

[fox_wannabe]

Do not make any decisions based on what I said please.

Hi, is there anyone who can't finally ctb only beceause of fear of nonexisting? a terrifying dark void? Did anyone know anyone who committed suicide and can tell you how these people got over it? Maybe they didn't have these thoughts at all?

Void is what you make of it. You project your fear onto it. In near death experiences people call void: peaceful or even blissful. I have been in the void in meditations and It was not scary.

Some people say that you cannot experience anything after death including void because you do not exist and cannot experience anything including void. Think of It as deep sleep without dreams or waking.

Besides void is least scary thing in afterlife. I would enjoy few peaceful eternities in void. Rolling to the side after each one. But what is scary is possibility of going back here. Some people claim to have past lives and can recall them and they match real people or events. That is just a theory. A GAME THEORY

 

[Snake of Eden]

This is how i look at it. When you play a video and press the pause button the frame will freeze until you press play again. The content of the videos are unaffected. The story still plays the same as in if you didnt press the pause button. A character in the video you played will not be acting any different unaware of the pause at all. We are the same, death is a pause button that we will not be aware of what it is like from our point of view. Just bare in mind I am talking about being dead because the dying process is a different story

 

[just_wanna_die]

We all fear death, whether you want to cbt or live as long as you can, we will all die, like it or not. Perhaps the following will be helpful:

Epicurus: Letter to Menoeceus (excerpts) (-Epicurus, 341-270 BC)

Accustom yourself to believe that death is nothing to us, for good and evil imply
awareness, and death is the absence of all awareness.

Foolish, therefore, is the person who says that he fears death, not because it
will pain when it comes, but because it pains in the prospect. Whatever causes no
annoyance when it is present, causes only a groundless pain in the expectation.

Death, therefore, the most awful of evils, is nothing to us, seeing that, when we exist death is not
present, and when death is present we do not exist. It is nothing, then, either to the living
or to the dead, for with the living it is not and the dead exist no longer.


Lucretius: On the Nature of Things (excerpts) (Roman poet, 94-55 BC)

Therefore death is nothing to us, of no concern whatsoever, once it is appreciated that
the mind is mortal.

Just as in the past we had no sensation of discomfort when the
Carthaginians were converging to attack […] so too, when we will no longer exist […]
you can take it that nothing at all will be able to affect us and to stir our sensation – not if
the earth collapses into sea, and sea into sky.

Even if the nature of our mind and the power of our spirit do have sensation after they are
torn from our bodies, that is still nothing to us, who are constituted by the conjunction of body
and spirit.

Or supposing that after death the passage of time will bring our matter back together and
reconstitute it in its present arrangement, and the light of life will be restored to us, even
that eventuality would be of no concern to us, once our self-recollection was interrupted.
Nor do our selves which existed in the past concern us now: we feel no anguish about them.

For if there is going to be unhappiness and suffering, the person must also himself
exist at that same time, for the evil to be able to befall him. Since death robs him of this,
preventing the existence of the person for the evils to be heaped upon, you can tell that
there is nothing for us to fear in death, that he who does not exist cannot be unhappy, and
that when immortal death snatches away a mortal life it is no different from never having
been born.

'No more for you the welcome of a joyful home and a good wife. No more will your children
run to snatch the first kiss, and move your heart with unspoken delight. No more will you be
able to protect the success of your affairs and your dependents. Unhappy man,' they say,
'unhappily robbed by a single hateful day of all those rewards of life." What they fail to add is:
'Nor does any yearning for those things remain in you.' If they properly saw this with their mind,
and followed it up in their words, they would unshackle themselves of great anguish and fear.

 

[TheHatedOne]

I used to have this fear, however after all the bullshit that happened to me in the past 2-3 months I don't care about it anymore. Whatever it is I'll take it, there can't be anything worse than what it is now: life.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

That fear tells you that you don't really want to be dead. Not really.

I am not so sure about that. I think it is impossible to fully get rid of the fear and anxiety over dying.

Some people say that you cannot experience anything after death including void because you do not exist and cannot experience anything including void. Think of It as deep sleep without dreams or waking.

That's the main appeal of dying - to feel nothing, to be nothing. Billions of years passed before you were born and billions of years will pass just as quickly after you are dead. Non-existence is a really hard concept to wrap your mind around. On one hand it offers eternal peace but on the other hand we won't be around to experience it. If I could see myself die from a third person perspective, even for a brief moment, I think I would be more at peace with ctb. It is the uncertainty that makes me hesitate.

 

[Rational man]

Fear of death is a human emotion that has been ingrained into us. As far as im aware, animals do not fear death in the way humans do. Animals have SI like us but humankind has added the notion of religious nonsensical hell and heaven with purgatory as a bargining tool. We fear NOTHINGNESS but we have nothing to fear because we all.die eventually. Ctb is something else. Meanwhile, we live in the current moment. I f we fear death we fear life.

 

[fox_wannabe]

That's the main appeal of dying - to feel nothing, to be nothing. Billions of years passed before you were born and billions of years will pass just as quickly after you are dead. Non-existence is a really hard concept to wrap your mind around. On one hand it offers eternal peace but on the other hand we won't be around to experience it. If I could see myself die from a third person perspective, even for a brief moment, I think I would be more at peace with ctb. It is the uncertainty that makes me hesitate.

You can research what different people think what happens after death. Don't get tied up in any moralizing crazy spiritual-religious people. I heard so much bullshit from them. I mean they interpret experiences as they see fit.

http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html Cool site that I personally enjoyed to read

 

[bigfishlittlefish]

I am not so sure about that. I think it is impossible to fully get rid of the fear and anxiety over dying.




That's the main appeal of dying - to feel nothing, to be nothing. Billions of years passed before you were born and billions of years will pass just as quickly after you are dead. Non-existence is a really hard concept to wrap your mind around. On one hand it offers eternal peace but on the other hand we won't be around to experience it. If I could see myself die from a third person perspective, even for a brief moment, I think I would be more at peace with ctb. It is the uncertainty that makes me hesitate.

I have zero fear or anxiety about dying. It feels like a light at the end of the tunnel, that I'll finally be at peace and free from pain.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

If I were told that I had a terminal illness and would be going to sleep and painlessly never waking up, I would be very relieved.

 

[Anxieyote]

Hi, is there anyone who can't finally ctb only beceause of fear of nonexisting? a terrifying dark void? Did anyone know anyone who committed suicide and can tell you how these people got over it? Maybe they didn't have these thoughts at all?

The fear you are experiencing is your survival instinct kicking in. We have no experience when it comes to non-existence, so naturally, our human brain is resistant to the idea.

It's reacting just as it would to seeing an alien creature that it hadn't encountered before. It doesn't know what the alien's intentions are, or what it could do. Our SI says "RUN." because we know that there are ways in reality to placate our insecurities and fears. Whether that takes the form of a friendship, a movie, or food that you really enjoy.

Our mind is saying, "I can't trust this creature to provide comfort or safety."

But in my opinion…everything our mind is doing to process non-existence won't matter once it's gone. There will be no fear, happiness, or any emotion that you're capable of feeling right now with a human mind.

You might say, "Oh, that sounds awful!" or "That sounds really boring." but feeling awful or being bored Is something your human mind does. These are constructs created in our heads to help our species survive.

Another way of putting it is this:

Imagine being a piece of furniture, like a chair. Is the chair bored of being in the same place each day? Of course not.

Does the chair feel excruciating pain when a large person sits on it? How could it? It doesn't have nerves or anything to process what's happening to it during any given moment.

You might be tempted to say that the chair then is experiencing contentment or satisfaction at it's state of being—but those are all things we do; things we take into account. The chair is neither happy or sad. It just is.

That's the state you'll be in when you die. Any fear or anxiety associated with that "feeling of non-existence" will be erased.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I feel the fear of non existing though I know it is not logic, it is an instinct. I know I will never experience non existing, because nobody and nothing will be there to experience anything when I am not existing anymore.

 

[Julgran]

Void is what you make of it. You project your fear onto it.

This is how I see death as well. If you have seen a lot of movies featuring murders or executions, those murders were never voluntary, and were accompanied by expressions of fear and anxiety.

With this is mind, it could be a little easier to see it all from the perspective that suicide will be different - and may very well be free from such fear and anxiety. For example, scenes that feature people being hanged will show those people trying to set themselves free of the ropes, and they may scream of fear while doing so - but that is not what will happen at the time of suicide. Instead, I at least assume that there is a light sense of fear and anxiety, but not the struggling part of being murdered, at least.

 

[fox_wannabe]

Instead, I at least assume that there is a light sense of fear and anxiety, but not the struggling part of being murdered, at least.

I always heard people feel relieved after loosing body If we talking what people say they felt, after being clinically dead for some time. There might be sense of: "what have I done" for people having second thoughts. But again some people do not have any memories after being clinically dead.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

I always heard people feel relieved after loosing body If we talking what people say they felt, after being clinically dead for some time. There might be sense of: "what have I done" for people having second thoughts. But again some people do not have any memories after being clinically dead.

I know it is not the same thing but I have undergone general anesthesia for surgeries numerous times. The void is an apt description because that chunk of time is just gone. You wake up and for a few seconds you have no clue what is going on, who you are and where you are. It feels much different than just sleeping. I looked into it and general anesthesia is a medically induced coma. I think doctors describe it as sleep so it doesn't freak out the patients.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

The idea of taking anesthesia and never waking up… So quick and easy and painless…

 

[fox_wannabe]

I know it is not the same thing but I have undergone general anesthesia for surgeries numerous times. The void is an apt description because that chunk of time is just gone. You wake up and for a few seconds you have no clue what is going on, who you are and where you are. It feels much different than just sleeping. I looked into it and general anesthesia is a medically induced coma. I think doctors describe it as sleep so it doesn't freak out the patients.

I still do not understand the difference between people who die, go into coma, sleep and loose consciousness. I still suspect that we might never actually spoke with people who really, really died. There are some people who had terrible accidents and their hearts stopped. In that case we can only suspect that brain might have functioned in small way.

But those experiences that are caused by dying brain are super weird, extremely vivid and more real than real. I cannot not talk about them. What is weird about them is how specific they are and somewhat archetypical. Many people describe similar experiences.

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At the end of the day It is something that you choose to believe and what you feel comfortable to believe in. And I say that becasue you can choose one side of story and ignore other one, and maybe you don't want to feel pressure or burden of having to continue after death. I choose to comfort myself before death because I feel her breath on my neck and I can't wait to kiss her on the cheek, something needs to take me out of here after all. I just want to have good death.

 

[xLosthopex]

Yeah, I have all kinds of irrational fears around death
I guess for me it's a fear of the unknown, fear of losing control, as if I'm 'giving up' control of my body to death not knowing what's going to happen/what's on the other side etc. And this is coming from an atheist btw, albeit an atheist with severe OCD, including hypochondria, who overthinks absolutely everything lol
Even having visions of my dead body + others seeing my dead body, going to a morgue, undergoing an autopsy etc. fucking terrifies me… and I know obviously that makes no logical sense because I'll be fucking dead and have no awareness of anything that's even happening but still…
And the thought of non existence in general will sometimes send me into some kind of weird existential crisis… ugh I hate my brain

 

[lonerclown666]

If there is nothing then this life and world is a joke

 

[eternalmelancholy]

And the thought of non existence in general will sometimes send me into some kind of weird existential crisis… ugh I hate my brain

It freaks me out too. I try not to think about it but it still comes up intrusively. I wish I could suppress my thoughts and go autopilot so I can finally ctb. It is so hard. If people only knew what it takes to kill yourself, suicide would not be looked down upon.

 

[MolinaKeyLime]

Do not make any decisions based on what I said please.

Void is what you make of it. You project your fear onto it. In near death experiences people call void: peaceful or even blissful. I have been in the void in meditations and It was not scary.

Some people say that you cannot experience anything after death including void because you do not exist and cannot experience anything including void. Think of It as deep sleep without dreams or waking.

Besides void is least scary thing in afterlife. I would enjoy few peaceful eternities in void. Rolling to the side after each one. But what is scary is possibility of going back here. Some people claim to have past lives and can recall them and they match real people or events. That is just a theory. A GAME THEORY

You made my day with that last "a game theory part" also good post

 

[AreWeWinning]

What scares me most is the lack of existence, which is non-existence by definition. I'm always fascinated by these kind of thoughts and philosophies.

There are two possibilities: We either cease to exist, or we continue to exist after our death in a way or another. I believe it's the former, we just stop existing when we die.

Although if the universe and time are infinite, then there is a chance there is another me somewhere, or there will be one. Another brain that is the exact same as mine. Will that other me be me, or will I 'experience' its existence? If yes, then death will be just a blink of an eye, even if billions of years will have passed, because I won't experience the flow of time while I'm dead. I die, and the next moment I snap into existence sometime somewhere without being aware what happened in between.

The above is interesting to think about, but I don't believe in it. What I believe is that when we die, we die. End of the story. It's a very simple concept, yet it's incomprehensible. That is what's most scary about it, that we cannot comprehend it. Anyway, if it's true, my only chance for experiencing being alive is now. It may not be pleasant, but it's an experience nonetheless.

Sometimes I consider ctb very seriously, and start to plan it out in my head, then the next moment I catch myself feeling sorry for myself, and think "what did I do to deserve being wiped out of existence just like that?". I might as well keep going, even if it's shitty, this is my only chance experiencing this. And I start appreciating life.

And then at another time, I feel like "OK, this is my only chance for life, cool, but thanks but no thanks, I would prefer non-existence please, because it just sucks." So I don't know...

 

[Conker]

You know, it's funnily ironic..

Because in a way, we already do not exist at all. They should call this heartless realm the Skeleton Zone instead of Earth.
But that would burst too many bubbles, and thus the end times madness runs its course dooming everybody to the land of no return.

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[idiotstillwantstodie]

Hi, is there anyone who can't finally ctb only beceause of fear of nonexisting? a terrifying dark void? Did anyone know anyone who committed suicide and can tell you how these people got over it? Maybe they didn't have these thoughts at all?

There is no void. It's just like going to sleep, for forever. You don't exist while you sleep either (unless you dream).

 

[Dragon's Heart]

humankind has added the notion of religious nonsensical hell and heaven with purgatory as a bargining tool.

Yeah, I've always had problems with ideas like this. How can a soul have less choice in death than it had in life?

 

[Aeathelina]

I used to have this fear, however after all the bullshit that happened to me in the past 2-3 months I don't care about it anymore. Whatever it is I'll take it, there can't be anything worse than what it is now: life.

I feel this all too much.
Death and non existence can't be worst than the pain of living

 

[just_wanna_die]

Yeah, I've always had problems with ideas like this. How can a soul have less choice in death than it had in life?

I would highly recommend "Lucretius - On the Nature of Things" by Martin Ferguson Smith (Amazon, softcover, its a mostly black cover with white and red text, also available for Kindle) I chose this author because I found his translation to be easier to read and comprehend than others that I had sampled. It is written in clear, plain English. The section covering death starts on page 66 and goes to page 98. It covers a lot of ground in those 32 pages of relatively small print with footnotes.

Lucretius (99 - 54 B.C.) also talked about souls (or spirits) and how the soul and body are born together and die together. One cannot exist without the other. A body without a spirit is a corpse and a spirit without a body is a ghost. He talked about how silly it is to conceive of the mortal and the immortal being yoked together, sharing each other's feelings and experiences as utterly ridiculous! Asking what could be more preposterous, incongruous, and inharmonious than that of a mortal thing being united with something immortal and imperishable, as the 2 together take on the pitiless storms of this life? He asks how do these souls choose to enter which body? Do they have a fight? Well, that wouldn't make sense. How do 2 immortal beings fight or injure each other? How would they declare a victor? Or do they have some agreement of "first come first served"? I mean, it is all so silly when you think of it logically. (It was actually Plato who is credited with the idea of an immortal soul, and he probably got that from something earlier, like the story of "The Odyessy" by Homer (not Simpson).

Anyway, the fact is, Lucretius would be in harmony with Genesis 2:7 -- "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul." This is saying we humans are the soul when we are alive, not that we have a soul (an immortal ghost) that animates us and is trapped inside our fleshly body that will leave us when the body dies. And so I have come to the conclusion that the word "spirit" literally means the life within us. And a soul is what we are as living beings. Therefore we possess no other attributes that make us Human. There is no conscious, ghostly form that leaves the body and goes directly to either Heaven or Hell. By the way, Lucretius covers hell too by basically telling his readers that all the horrible fairytales that we are told that happens in hell actually happen here on earth when we are alive, not after we die. In fact, the Bible nowhere teaches that heaven is the reward of the saved or that an ever-burning hell is the destiny of condemned souls.

After death a person: returns to dust (Genesis 3:19, Psalms 104:29), knows nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:5), possesses no mental powers (Psalms 146:4), has nothing to do with anything on earth (Ecclesiastes 9:6, 12:7), does not live (2 Kings 20:1), is in the grave (Job 17:13), and continues not (Job 7:9, 14:10, 12).

Let's ask this question just for fun -- Is suicide a sin?

Many people assume the Bible condemns taking one's own life. However, even a careful reader will search in vain for any explicit prohibition of self-killing in the Bible. In fact, the biblical attitude toward suicide ranges from ambivalence to praise. There are seven unambiguous examples of suicide in the Bible: Abimelech, mortally wounded by a millstone, ordered his armor-bearer to dispatch him to avoid the suggestion he had been slain by the woman who had thrown the stone (Judg 9:52-54); the prophet Ahithophel hanged himself after betraying David (2Sam 17:23); Zimri burned down his house around himself after military defeat (1Kgs 16:18); and the more familiar stories of Saul and his armor-bearer (1Sam 1:1-6; 1Chr 10:1-6), Samson, (Judg 16:28), and, of course, Jesus' disciple Judas—although it is only in Matthew's Gospel where he kills himself (Matt 27:3-5; compare with Acts 1:18). There is nothing in any of these stories to suggest that the biblical narrators disapprove of the characters' suicides.

Suicide in the ancient world did not carry the same negative connotations as it does today. For Greco-Roman philosophers, suicide in correct circumstances constituted a "noble death." Socrates (469-399 B.C.E.) chose to drink hemlock rather than endure exile, a choice enthusiastically endorsed by most of the philosophical schools at the time. If carried out for country or friends, or in the face of intolerable pain, incurable disease, devastating misfortune or shame, or to avoid capture on the battlefield, suicide constituted a noble death. Each of the instances of suicide found in the Bible fits comfortably with noble-death ideals.

I was shocked too when I came across that because we in Western culture have all been raised directly or indirectly by Christianity. The Judeo-Christian condemnation of suicide does not, therefore, begin in the Bible. Although the commandment against killing (Exod 20:13) is commonly believed to include killing oneself, there is simply no evidence in either the Hebrew Bible or the New Testament to sustain any moral condemnation of suicide.

 

[samsaragothands]

it helps me to kind of disassociate and remember my mind is as disposable as my body is. if my mind creates fear, the fear will be gone when the mind is. knowing it's something i can't even conceive of is kind of comforting.