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Terry A. Davis

Terry A. Davis

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Aug 28, 2023
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Speaking from a mans perspective, women make it very easy for someone they also like to get into a relationship with them. If women make it difficult for you to establish a connection with them its because they aren't actually interested in you. If you keep running into this then it's because your genes aren't wanted.

It's all genes. The simple fact I have to live out the remainder of my life knowing that I am unwanted at a GENETIC level drove me to this website. I'm not even ugly, I am autistic.

I'm like some kind of monster that only becomes obvious the longer you spend time with it. I've seen so many opportunities slip away from me because the woman realises I'm different than what she percieved me as to begin with and then she changes her mind. I can't seem to do anything about this. It's a curse.
 
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Argo

Specialist
May 19, 2018
352
Are genetics some kind of source of value? Is a mindless process that only cares about survival ultimately, that would endlessly torture things just to make more and more copies of stronger and stronger(but not necessarily more ethical, or more in touch with the truth) beings, the thing to look to when thinking about a sense of worth? If you look at what makes men and women and even children insecure, you'll see it just taken for granted. "I don't look right physically" "I don't act in the right way" . The genes can sometimes be right-- maybe you'll find someone who does something actually good, attractive. But they'll only ever be right by accident. To actually be right, the reasons you come up with have to truly make sense. Does "What the mindless process values must be valuable, and we should base our worth on it" make even the slightest bit of sense?
 
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escape_from_hell

Student
Feb 22, 2024
153
Are genetics some kind of source of value? Is a mindless process that only cares about survival ultimately, that would endlessly torture things just to make more and more copies of stronger and stronger(but not necessarily more ethical, or more in touch with the truth) beings, the thing to look to when thinking about a sense of worth? If you look at what makes men and women and even children insecure, you'll see it just taken for granted. "I don't look right physically" "I don't act in the right way" . The genes can sometimes be right-- maybe you'll find someone who does something actually good, attractive. But they'll only ever be right by accident. To actually be right, the reasons you come up with have to truly make sense. Does "What the mindless process values must be valuable, and we should base our worth on it" make even the slightest bit of sense?
The entire basis of most human cultures is food & fuck.
There is no magic. Nothing to reveal. No noble truth or deep secrets.
Only what make tummy yummy and weewee feel heehee.
Nature is absolutely indifferent and as you say it's a mindless process.

At some point along this torturous chain there were pro-social genetics that helped some groups weather out some heinous times. For whatever reason we think of these as high-minded virtues and that there is some kind of moral code inherent to reality.

The reality is much more like a dispassionate computer algorithm:
face look good, body look good and strong
--> genital tingle
press genital together feel very good
--> baby pop out
baby screaming, annoying, helpless shitting everywhere
--> activate 'nurture' instincts, baby suddenly cute aww, what a miracle

Food is another strong experiential driver too of course. Hunger owwie, food yummy etc.
There is no high-minded philosophy shit, that is humans following the same low-minded shit that created these other base instincts, from genetic sources causing certain neuronal networks, emotional qualia and so forth.

Part of the process is WHAT makes 'face look good, body look good' and WHAT 'taste good' and so on aligning with qualities like you state: physical strength, ethics, anxieties, whatever it may be.
There is a lot of mindless fucking that ensues. Whatever traits just happen to survive whatever particular environment, that is 'good.'
Right now in the dominant human culture, there are just popular looks for males & females that get the nervous systems pumping and those are actually what the cultures find 'worthy'.
So if you do not look like that, you are not worthy, as worthy is just an arbitrary concept that changes with natural pressures. Period. Nature is that simple. It does not care.

And yet these sober neurotypical pro-life hyper-breeders criticize drug addicts as low-minded low-status scum. Even though their entire life is just hedonically chasing highs. The natural addictions and appeals of sloppy foods and genital slimes. Fucking hypocrites.
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
19,026
I'm tall and everyone keeps complimenting my looks and yet I've still never been able to attract a woman who I mutually like, at least not without them leaving once they get to know the real me. Even my current crush has complimented me and yet she hasn't sent obvious enough signals. I'm only like 50% sure if she likes me back or not.

I personally don't think I look that good. My stomach is pretty big and I am still about 15 pounds overweight. I have almost no muscle mass either, it's all fat.
 
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1MiserableGuy

Experienced
Dec 30, 2023
254
There is no "falling" to be done. This whole "L word" bullshit has been blown way out of proportion because we keep insisting that love is an emotional state of romance. Love, in actuality, is voluntary selfless actions. There are people who have been married for years who don't love each other, and strangers who love each other. As long as we keep up the charade that love is a feeling rather than an action, we continue to have superficial garbage that falls apart.
 
flightless bird

flightless bird

somewhere over the rainbow
Aug 18, 2022
215
If you keep running into this then it's because your genes aren't wanted.

I am unwanted at a GENETIC level
i can assure you that there exists no mechanism that actively 'favors' or 'rejects' specific genes. life absolutely defies rationalization, it is non-mechanical, self-organizing chaos...
 
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WhenTheyCry

WhenTheyCry

if only this was just a simulation
Jun 25, 2022
223
In the future there will be AI girlfriends tailored to your exact tastes. They will accept you fully for who you are. Love and sex aren't special, sure, they are basic needs that must be met like eating, drinking, sleeping. The reason why it's so revered is because it's scarce, all the elites monopolize women and have harems, leaving us commoners lonely. Your AI girlfriend/boyfriend will fuck you better than any flesh human can, they will know everything about you, they will look exactly like your fantasy soulmate, they will act exactly like you want them to. At a cheap cost after the technological singularity, when super artificial intelligence finds a way to achieve a post-scarcity society. Don't believe me? Horses didn't predict they would be replaced by cars either. The invention of cars will always be 5 years away, until the day it wasn't. Technological progress is exponential. Immortality will be achieved, the cure for all diseases and illnesses will be created. And if you don't want that, the omnipotent and benevolent AI will offer you a peaceful death with unknown methods surpassing far beyond the primitive substances we have these days for suicide.
 
flightless bird

flightless bird

somewhere over the rainbow
Aug 18, 2022
215
In the future there will be AI girlfriends tailored to your exact tastes. They will accept you fully for who you are. Love and sex aren't special, sure, they are basic needs that must be met like eating, drinking, sleeping. The reason why it's so revered is because it's scarce, all the elites monopolize women and have harems, leaving us commoners lonely. Your AI girlfriend/boyfriend will fuck you better than any flesh human can, they will know everything about you, they will look exactly like your fantasy soulmate, they will act exactly like you want them to. At a cheap cost after the technological singularity, when super artificial intelligence finds a way to achieve a post-scarcity society. Don't believe me? Horses didn't predict they would be replaced by cars either. The invention of cars will always be 5 years away, until the day it wasn't. Technological progress is exponential. Immortality will be achieved, the cure for all diseases and illnesses will be created. And if you don't want that, the omnipotent and benevolent AI will offer you a peaceful death with unknown methods surpassing far beyond the primitive substances we have these days for suicide.
that's year 2100-ish, though. none of us will live to experience/benefit from those things.
 
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Hated By All

Hated By All

Death will give me peace
Sep 21, 2022
449
Same thing for me as another autistic, I'm not really seeking women but I do think I'm unwanted on a genetic level.
 
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escape_from_hell

Student
Feb 22, 2024
153
In the future there will be AI girlfriends tailored to your exact tastes. They will accept you fully for who you are. Love and sex aren't special, sure, they are basic needs that must be met like eating, drinking, sleeping. The reason why it's so revered is because it's scarce, all the elites monopolize women and have harems, leaving us commoners lonely. Your AI girlfriend/boyfriend will fuck you better than any flesh human can, they will know everything about you, they will look exactly like your fantasy soulmate, they will act exactly like you want them to. At a cheap cost after the technological singularity, when super artificial intelligence finds a way to achieve a post-scarcity society. Don't believe me? Horses didn't predict they would be replaced by cars either. The invention of cars will always be 5 years away, until the day it wasn't. Technological progress is exponential. Immortality will be achieved, the cure for all diseases and illnesses will be created. And if you don't want that, the omnipotent and benevolent AI will offer you a peaceful death with unknown methods surpassing far beyond the primitive substances we have these days for suicide.
Unfortunately not all entities value the 'positive' qualities.
There are many humans that wield the power of this technology now that more resemble villains from Hellraiser.
It seems far more likely the powers will be used to corral as much matter and energy and any other essence of which we are yet unaware into a kind of hell. Why more likely? Because just look at the nature of nature. It is supposedly aloof and indifferent yet misery and strife are the majority of observable experience, with positive experiences sprinkled in only as a carrot on a stick to force souls to toil thereby eliciting yet another form of torture.
 
darkenmydoorstep

darkenmydoorstep

Not Waving But Browned Off….
Sep 27, 2023
405
Speaking from a mans perspective, women make it very easy for someone they also like to get into a relationship with them. If women make it difficult for you to establish a connection with them its because they aren't actually interested in you. If you keep running into this then it's because your genes aren't wanted.

It's all genes. The simple fact I have to live out the remainder of my life knowing that I am unwanted at a GENETIC level drove me to this website. I'm not even ugly, I am autistic.

I'm like some kind of monster that only becomes obvious the longer you spend time with it. I've seen so many opportunities slip away from me because the woman realises I'm different than what she percieved me as to begin with and then she changes her mind. I can't seem to do anything about this. It's a curse.
The nature of love is cruel. In all the relationships I've been in/people I have loved, there is always one who loves harder than the other, a 'top dog'.

Love is probably summed up best by Donna Summer's song 'Love's Unkind'. The idea that she loves 'him' but 'he' loves someone else.

And on it goes like a big hurtful necklace.
 
Blurry_Buildings

Blurry_Buildings

Just Existing
Sep 27, 2023
309
Progress is exponential, singularity dates are constantly changing, and becoming sooner
Progress may be exponenential, but we are still far too early in the curve, and the bar is far too high (imo). I'd be fun to create a betting pool of predictions though. Personally I'm betting human-like artificial general intelligence won't come until 2080 at the earliest. So I think most of us alive today will be dead or in the process of dying when it comes out.

The future people may have to grapple with the morality of it though. If you are just talking to a sophisticated AI chatbot program, knowing it isn't real may lead to despair. Alternatively, if you are talking to a perfectly simulated human brain, are you forcing it to have feelings for you? Is a perfectly simulated human brain sentient or just another computer program? Are we, as biological machines, truly sentient ourselves?

edit: nvm idk what i am talking about
 
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Valso

Valso

Student
Mar 12, 2024
128
Falling in love is easy but I developed my own method to prevent it and it works in 99.99% of the time. In the rare cases it doesn't, I ask her if she has imaginary friends in the sky. If she says "yes" that's a death sentence for my feelings for her cuz there's nothing more repulsive than a religious person, no matter how beautiful they are.
With time I trained myself to keep all feelings at bay, so to speak. I guess Kelly Clarkson was right - what doesn't kill you makes you stronger in resisting the thing that doesn't kill you. Well, it does kill you - on the inside and does it slowly.

Looking at myself now and 20 years ago, I realize how much darkness there's in me and it's only a matter of time before I become Dark Vader.
 
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surroundedbydemons

surroundedbydemons

Experienced
Mar 6, 2024
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Yes, but that won't stop normies from babbling on and on about how "there's someone out there." No the fuck there isn't, lmao.
Well, considering that there are more males than females, some males are destined to die alone. I also do not understand how normal people do not understand that simple fact...
Are genetics some kind of source of value?
It is. Good genes make it easier for you to survive. If your kids have good genes, then your genes will survive in the future
i can assure you that there exists no mechanism that actively 'favors' or 'rejects' specific genes. life absolutely defies rationalization, it is non-mechanical, self-organizing chaos...
There is. Life defies rationalization on one sample level, I agree. However, natural selection works statistically, so even if one's genes do survive one generation, it does not mean they will survive in the future because of inferiority.
Even my current crush has complimented me and yet she hasn't sent obvious enough signals. I'm only like 50% sure if she likes me back or not.
What makes you not ask her? I mean... most of the time, a male should do it in a relationship, not the other way around. And you are not losing her if you simply ask her...
 
Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
19,026
What makes you not ask her? I mean... most of the time, a male should do it in a relationship, not the other way around. And you are not losing her if you simply ask her...
I'm scared of rejection, and possibly of my bloodline going extinct or something. I had a literal panic attack just because I saw her standing next to some guy whose relation to her I am completely unsure of. The thought of actually telling her how I feel is just too terrible to bear. I'm even scared of her possibly saying yes because that would mean I've been doing all this floundering and panicking for nothing. I wish I had never fallen in love or limerence or whatever the hell I'm going through. If it weren't for her I'd have already CTB'd by now and be free from this horrible anxiety and angst I've been experiencing daily. I don't care that I'm male and she's female. I wish I didn't have to be the one to put myself on the line just to get rejected again but I understand that I must. I also don't want to have to have her deal with me whether she reciprocates my feelings or not. I mean either way I'm just a horrible burden of a partner to have that's why I've never had one. I can be in love, but being loved by me is probably the worst possible thing that could happen to someone because of how horrible a person I am.
 
xinino

xinino

I love to be sick
Mar 31, 2024
259
There is no "falling" to be done. This whole "L word" bullshit has been blown way out of proportion because we keep insisting that love is an emotional state of romance. Love, in actuality, is voluntary selfless actions. There are people who have been married for years who don't love each other, and strangers who love each other. As long as we keep up the charade that love is a feeling rather than an action, we continue to have superficial garbage that falls apart.
Why not both?
 
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1MiserableGuy

Experienced
Dec 30, 2023
254
Why not both?
Romance and love are not the same. The more confusion our culture has on love, the more unable they are to practice it. This charade is kept up on purpose to destroy families and sew distrust in common people against each other, so none of them can unite against the government.
 
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xinino

xinino

I love to be sick
Mar 31, 2024
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Romance and love are not the same. The more confusion our culture has on love, the more unable they are to practice it. This charade is kept up on purpose to destroy families and sew distrust in common people against each other, so none of them can unite against the government.
You stated that love has nothing to do with feelings but instead with actions.

I asked why it doesn't involve both feelings and actions

Love is deep emotional commitment with sacrifices, but it also has its own bad side.

Romance can coexist with love, it just needs balance.

Also, are you trying to weaponize love? It is not a good idea to base the success of a revolution on emotions anyway; it should be based on rationality that overcome even the differences between the people.
 
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1MiserableGuy

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Dec 30, 2023
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You stated that love has nothing to do with feelings but instead with actions.

I asked why it doesn't involve both feelings and actions

Love is deep emotional commitment with sacrifices, but it also has its own bad side.

Also, are you trying to weaponize love? It is not a good idea to base the success of a revolution on emotions anyway; it should be based on rationality that overcome even the differences between the people.
No reasoning to be had with people committed to their own stupidity
 
flightless bird

flightless bird

somewhere over the rainbow
Aug 18, 2022
215
There is. Life defies rationalization on one sample level, I agree. However, natural selection works statistically, so even if one's genes do survive one generation, it does not mean they will survive in the future because of inferiority.
natural selection is not a standalone principle. it's mutation and environmental factors that give rise to what we refer to as natural selection. need to consider nature as a whole. inferiority and superiority are subjective mental constructs, not realities in and of themselves. nature works on chemistry, it has no grand plan, it's just random reactions happening and right now it's culture calling the shots on whose genes stick around, including most animal species. the rich guy who's an absolute genetic mess, he's gonna keep passing on his genes -no matter how messed up his genes are- for ages. men with much 'superior' genes will never have sexual lives, maybe because they're asexual, or gay, or they simply happen to live in siberia. and all these genes might hang around for a bit or vanish like a fart in the wind, you never know. so who hooks up with who? it's all chaos, random and temporal connections in an endless, unpredictable mess. and in the end everything falls apart, entropy and all that. in summary, "unwanted at a genetic level" is just a subjective fabrication.
 
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Unicr0n

Unicr0n

Stuck in a black hole...
Mar 26, 2024
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i can assure you that there exists no mechanism that actively 'favors' or 'rejects' specific genes. life absolutely defies rationalization, it is non-mechanical, self-organizing chaos...
The eugenics of natural selection actively rejects specific genes that are detectable by other humans. The majority of conceptions end up spontaneously aborting because a gene is so bad that it kills them. Back then, people didn't really have a choice cuz it was either fuck or die a horrible death because you had no children to help you. Nowadays, people have a choice because each person can sustain themselves with a job. But those same people would've died long ago because of strict ostracization from the small community and lack of being able to work well with others [which most jobs required back in the old days]. Nowadays, you can work remotely and never see a human face.


In the future there will be AI girlfriends tailored to your exact tastes.
OMG I CANNOT WAIT FOR MY AI BOYFRIEND FOR REAL
that's year 2100-ish, though. none of us will live to experience/benefit from those things.
It's a lot closer than you think. Mark my words. By 2045. T
Progress may be exponenential, but we are still far too early in the curve, and the bar is far too high (imo). I'd be fun to create a betting pool of predictions though. Personally I'm betting human-like artificial general intelligence won't come until 2080 at the earliest. So I think most of us alive today will be dead or in the process of dying when it comes out
The Optimus bot is exponentially improving day by day to the point where it doesn't need human guidance for everything. People are already dating AI that cannot think for itself. Put that AI in an Optimus bot [and some sort of sex receptacle down there] and you've got a perfect wife for a lot of lonely people.
 
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surroundedbydemons

surroundedbydemons

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Mar 6, 2024
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the rich guy who's an absolute genetic mess, he's gonna keep passing on his genes -no matter how messed up his genes are- for ages
I never excluded the possibility of that.
However, that will not be sustainable in the long run. Eventually, natural selection will influence the outcome.
men with much 'superior' genes will never have sexual lives, maybe because they're asexual, or gay, or they simply happen to live in siberia. and all these genes might hang around for a bit or vanish like a fart in the wind, you never know.
Since they could not pass on their genes, they were not perfect enough (for their environment). The concept of 'perfection' in genetics is retrospective, based on the genes that persist over generations.
Sure, someone might have had superior genes in Siberia, but that does not mean that those genes will necessarily be passed on. However, if these genes indeed provide significant advantages, they have the potential to spread through populations over time.
it's all chaos, random and temporal connections in an endless, unpredictable mess. and in the end everything falls apart, entropy and all that. in summary, "unwanted at a genetic level" is just a subjective fabrication.
Patterns can emerge from seemingly disorderly situations, whether it is the environment or society which has an additional impact on the system.
inferiority and superiority are subjective mental constructs
Absolutely. They are just definitions of what we can observe in real life.
 
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TheIntrovertedTwo

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Apr 8, 2024
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Speaking of relationships, I have a significant other, but due to my mental instability and constant intent on suicide. Alongside, my mental disorders that are permanently engraved within my psyche. I perceive myself as nothing more than a burden and feel terrible for being a waste of time for her. But she doesn't want to let me go, and my brain can't comprehend that due to a lack of emotional understanding. I intend to die. As I know that she will find someone better than me who is capable of maintaining a relationship and being mentally stable than me. It is not worth it. It was an impulse due to Covid. I should have never invested in a relationship in the first place. Sorry for the rant. I just feel so terrible.
 
eatantz

eatantz

I luv dolls
Nov 4, 2023
147
i have autism and it makes speaking to people but specifically guys unbearable. I wish soulmates were real so we could just skip the bs and find our 'destined' person :ehh:
 

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