Fail on SN

[Leo47]

What could be the consequences if you fail on sn?

 

[ausboy96]

If you're saved, none other than probably getting put in a psych ward for a short while. If you're not saved you'll CTB.

 

[MsM3talGamer]

Every single article and testimony I've read said that if you get saved you don't suffer long-term effects. This seems to make it "safer" over other methods.

 

[Jodes]

Every single article and testimony I've read said that if you get saved you don't suffer long-term effects. This seems to make it "safer" over other methods.

Sounds too good to be true. I guess if it was, it would be censored anyway. How does sn actually work? Sorry, I havent read anything on sn yet myself

 

[MsM3talGamer]

Sounds too good to be true. I guess if it was, it would be censored anyway. How does sn actually work?

It prevents your blood cells from carrying oxygen around the body and body gets starved of oxygen. Hence you end up with a greenish-blue corpse.

 

[Jodes]

It prevents your blood cells from carrying oxygen around the body and body gets starved of oxygen. Hence you end up with a greenish-blue corpse.

So it does the same thing as a gradual CO poisoning? Or more sudden? Sorry, I'm going to be a real pain

 

[MsM3talGamer]

So it does the same thing as a gradual CO poisoning? Or more sudden? Sorry, I'm going to be a real pain

LOL. I'm the wrong person to ask. @gingerplum knows more than me.

 

[ausboy96]

I just googled what methemoglobinemia looks like and now I feel sick and I'm scared to go with SN rip

 

[Cody111]

I just googled what methemoglobinemia looks like and now I feel sick and I'm scared to go with SN rip

If it works it doesnt really matter how you look. But yeah isnt somthing id want to google... again..

 

[gingerplum]

LOL. I'm the wrong person to ask. @gingerplum knows more than me.

Hey there. Keep in mind that I'm largely speculating... I'm not a chemist or an expert on poisons.

I know that in Methemoglobinemia, the hemoglobin in your blood cells has oxidized and is unable to carry oxygen. Theoretically, this should result in drowsiness and loss of consciousness, similarly to when a plane depressurizes and everyone falls asleep before they even realize what is happening.

Now, CO poisoning acts similarly, taking the place of O2 in your blood. However, this supposedly gives you more of a warning, in the form of headache, nausea & vomiting, and shortness of breath.

 

[JohnDoe1]

It can have severe consequences, like any other suicide method. It mostly depends upon how much damage is done. you could be lucky, and come out scot-free, Or, worst-case scenario, if a large portion of brain is deprived of oxygen, and you don't die. It could lead you in a persistent vegetative state.

 

[ausboy96]

It can have severe consequences, like any other suicide method. It mostly depends upon how much damage is done. you could be lucky, and come out scot-free, Or, worst-case scenario, if a large portion of brain is deprived of oxygen, and you don't die. It could lead you in a persistent vegetative state.

Is there any evidence of this?

 

[gingerplum]

It can have severe consequences, like any other suicide method. It mostly depends upon how much damage is done. you could be lucky, and come out scot-free, Or, worst-case scenario, if a large portion of brain is deprived of oxygen, and you don't die. It could lead you in a persistent vegetative state.

This is possible, but as long as it's a big enough dose, I think the chances of a "rescue" are pretty slim. It's a pretty short window; 15-20 min to kick in, then after 10 min of O2 deprivation you're done. Plus, unless you told them what you had ingested, I guarantee both EMS and the attending physician are going to be initially scratching their heads, trying to figure out what's going on.

 

[JohnDoe1]

Is there any evidence of this?

It's basically common sense. Look up, cerebral hypoxia. That's how most people end up in a vegetative state, by damage to the brain, as a result of lack of oxygen reaching it. It's pretty unlikely, if you take the required dose, don't vomit, or are not rescued at the wrong time, but it's still a risk.

 

[Gainax]

This is possible, but as long as it's a big enough dose, I think the chances of a "rescue" are pretty slim. It's a pretty short window; 15-20 min to kick in, then after 10 min of O2 deprivation you're done. Plus, unless you told them what you had ingested, I guarantee both EMS and the attending physician are going to be initially scratching their heads, trying to figure out what's going on.

The ppeh observation case was based on 15g SN on a 45kg person, since SN works on the blood can you tell me do overweight/obese people have a greater blood volume than a normal bmi person with the same height ?

do you think 15g sn will be enough for obese people or 20g or more is better?

 

[gingerplum]

The ppeh observation case was based on 15g SN on a 45kg person, since SN works on the blood can you tell me do overweight/obese people have a greater blood volume than a normal bmi person with the same height ?

do you think 15g sn will be enough for obese people or 20g or more is better?

A handy-dandy BV calculator, just for you!

https://www.easycalculation.com/medical/blood-volume.php

I guess I would err on the side of too much and do 20g. This is all pretty foreign territory for me.

 

[Shewaitsforme]

Overweight people do technically have a higher blood volume but poorer perfusion because of the increased adipose tissue. 20g should be more than adequate. Treatment for SN is Methylene blue and its not something we carry on ambulances or rapid response vehicles majority of cases that were treated using this happened in the ED so basically O2 and fluid administration during transport to hospital. Unless you tell them what youve taken thats about all they can do and alert the hospital to have the Methylene blue on standby

 

[Kingkelly]

This is possible, but as long as it's a big enough dose, I think the chances of a "rescue" are pretty slim. It's a pretty short window; 15-20 min to kick in, then after 10 min of O2 deprivation you're done. Plus, unless you told them what you had ingested, I guarantee both EMS and the attending physician are going to be initially scratching their heads, trying to figure out what's going on.

Should 8 hr window be given before someone can find you? Or will you pass well before that?

 

[gingerplum]

Should 8 hr window be given before someone can find you? Or will you pass well before that?

You'll pass out in 20-30 min, max. A one-hr window should be fine.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

It prevents your blood cells from carrying oxygen around the body and body gets starved of oxygen. Hence you end up with a greenish-blue corpse.

doesnt this mean it has similar affects on the brain like drowning, co poisoning or hanging ?

it prevents oxygen from arriving the brain with the known consequences..so i. would assume if you get "rescued" during the process or simply dont take enough you could end up with brain damage, blindness and/or other organ failures

 

[MsM3talGamer]

Hey there. Keep in mind that I'm largely speculating... I'm not a chemist or an expert on poisons.

I know that in Methemoglobinemia, the hemoglobin in your blood cells has oxidized and is unable to carry oxygen. Theoretically, this should result in drowsiness and loss of consciousness, similarly to when a plane depressurizes and everyone falls asleep before they even realize what is happening.

Now, CO poisoning acts similarly, taking the place of O2 in your blood. However, this supposedly gives you more of a warning, in the form of headache, nausea & vomiting, and shortness of breath.

doesnt this mean it has similar affects on the brain like drowning, co poisoning or hanging ?

it prevents oxygen from arriving the brain with the known consequences..so i. would assume if you get "rescued" during the process or simply dont take enough you could end up with brain damage, blindness and/or other organ failures

If you read up on it, people who are saved suffer no long-term consequences. I really have no idea why as I'm not a doctor or nurse. I haven't done much research on the aftermath because it's not my method.

 

[Shewaitsforme]

Methemoglobinemia by SN interfers with the unloading of oxygen, its not a super quick process the methemoglobin rising to a level where its at death level but effects on reduced oxygen availability will have passed out by then hopefully. By passing out your body will automatically start to reduce its work load already in essence buying you abit of time. So if your found in as ive read in studies 1hour after, O2 on, fluids running to bring you BP up etc and the methylene blue (which actually reduces the half life of SN pretty quick) the normal working of the body should improve. Methemoglobinemia is at cellular level and there are a hell alot of cells in tje body so its gonna take time to irreversibly damage organs etc. Thats the beauty and curse of the human body, it will save itsself as best it can, adult bodies compensate very well, children compensate then a second later crash.

 

[gingerplum]

If you read up on it, people who are saved suffer no long-term consequences. I really have no idea why as I'm not a doctor or nurse. I haven't done much research on the aftermath because it's not my method.

In all fairness, we don't know if they'll suffer long-term consequences, just that they were brought back. They'd have to have pretty extensive testing compared to their baseline health for years to see if they sustained lasting injuries.

 

[MsM3talGamer]

In all fairness, we don't know if they'll suffer long-term consequences, just that they were brought back. They'd have to have pretty extensive testing compared to their baseline health for years to see if they sustained lasting injuries.

Oh, that had never occurred to me. I wonder if there are studies on this.

 

[gingerplum]

Methemoglobinemia by SN interfers with the unloading of oxygen, its not a super quick process the methemoglobin rising to a level where its at death level but effects on reduced oxygen availability will have passed out by then hopefully. By passing out your body will automatically start to reduce its work load already in essence buying you abit of time. So if your found in as ive read in studies 1hour after, O2 on, fluids running to bring you BP up etc and the methylene blue (which actually reduces the half life of SN pretty quick) the normal working of the body should improve. Methemoglobinemia is at cellular level and there are a hell alot of cells in tje body so its gonna take time to irreversibly damage organs etc. Thats the beauty and curse of the human body, it will save itsself as best it can, adult bodies compensate very well, children compensate then a second later crash.

Would you initiate pressors, or run the IV wide ope

Oh, that had never occurred to me. I wonder if there are studies on this.

Doubt it. SN is relatively obscure. I did find this:

The effects of certain kinds of severe generalized hypoxias may take time to develop. For example, the long-term effects of serious carbon monoxide poisoning usually may take several weeks to appear. Recent research suggests this may be due to an autoimmune response caused by carbon monoxide-induced changes in the myelinsheath surrounding neurons.[31]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_hypoxia

So, I guess the upshot is, just because they bring you back doesn't mean they're won't be some latent effects.

 

[Shewaitsforme]

Id just run it open @gingerplum my reasoning would be get it all in quick lessen the delay of methemoglobinemia and passing out. Plus if its burning or imconvulsing i may rip the IV out before all of its in.

With the SN i have ive always planned on drinking it, i dont want to mess around with IVs as i have no idea what consentration id need to be successful.

 

[gingerplum]

Id just run it open @gingerplum my reasoning would be get it all in quick lessen the delay of methemoglobinemia and passing out. Plus if its burning or imconvulsing i may rip the IV out before all of its in.

With the SN i have ive always planned on drinking it, i dont want to mess around with IVs as i have no idea what consentration id need to be successful.

Oh yeah, I know. SN should be oral, I can't imagine IV

 

[MsM3talGamer]

Oh yeah, I know. SN should be oral, I can't imagine IV

Someone mentioned doing an SN enema. Any ideas on that? I won't be going the SN route but I found his comment quite bizarre. I wonder if it would work.

 

[gingerplum]

Someone mentioned doing an SN enema. Any ideas on that? I won't be going the SN route but I found his comment quite bizarre. I wonder if it would work.

I don't care what Brett Kavanaugh says, this isn't a great idea.

Yes, you can absorb drugs & alcohol via mucosal tissue, like in your rectum. That's why there's meds like Promethazine that come in suppository form. However-- and this is a big caveat-- an enema of any kind will make you immediately start cramping and need to expel it with a desperate sense of urgency. Bottom line (punny!) is that you wouldn't be able to hold it in long enough.

 

[MsM3talGamer]

I don't care what Brett Kavanaugh says, this isn't a great idea.

Yes, you can absorb drugs & alcohol via mucosal tissue, like in your rectum. That's why there's meds like Promethazine that come in suppository form. However-- and this is a big caveat-- an enema of any kind will make you immediately start cramping and need to expel it with a desperate sense of urgency. Bottom line (punny!) is that you wouldn't be able to hold it in long enough.

Oh gosh. I'm imagining an SN waterfall gushing out of someone's ass now.