Exit Bag Nitrogen Success

[SadCryingBunny]

I just tried the exit bag with Nitrogen by getting a rubbish bin bag and sealing it around my neck and sticking a hose through. The sensation is completely different from a full face scuba mask. Firstly after getting to the point of almost passing out, I didn't get that exploding head feeling that I got from a full face mask. When I took the bag off, I still however had that rapid pulsing feeling through my body. After 30 seconds once I was about to pass out, I started feeling a sensation of the urge to breath. Anyway to solve that? The bag method is the way to go for all those considering the nitrogen method. I turned the valve open really far on my 10L nitrogen cylinder. So flow rate was very very high, probably like 100L a minute or something. I still didn't pass out even after 30 seconds. So any recommendations would be appreciated. When it's time to go, I will get the tank refilled and use heavy sedation like sleeping pills. Any other recommendations of medications to use? Thank you

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Yes. This is exactly what I, and a number of others, explained to you several times; that the exit bag is the only way to go with inert gas, and that your mask was what was causing your issues. It was so difficult getting that through to you. However, you shouldn't even be conscious after 30 seconds. But, hold on, you're simply opening the valve? You're not setting it to flow at the recommended rate with a flowmeter? If not, why? It's only supposed to flow at 15lpm. May I ask why you want it to flow at 100lpm, a completely different rate from what's recommended? I suspect that your exit bag isn't set up properly and that's why you aren't just passing out.
Ok, the more I read this the more problems I find with every last detail. A bin bag? With a hose stuck through? Where is your tape? The bag cannot be sealed. If it was sealed, that answers your question, because the co2 that you exhaled would have been sealed in for you to inhale in again.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

Yes. This is exactly what I, and a number of others, explained to you several times; that the exit bag is the only way to go with inert gas, and that your mask was what was causing your issues. It was so difficult getting that through to you. However, you shouldn't even be conscious after 30 seconds. But, hold on, you're simply opening the valve? You're not setting it to flow at the recommended rate with a flowmeter? If not, why? It's only supposed to flow at 15lpm. May I ask why you want it to flow at 100lpm, a completely different rate from what's recommended? I suspect that your exit bag isn't set up properly and that's why you aren't just passing out.
Ok, the more I read this the more problems I find with every last detail. A bin bag? With a hose stuck through? Where is your tape? The bag cannot be sealed. If it was sealed, that answers your question, because the co2 that you exhaled would have been sealed in for you to inhale in again.

At 15L I feel like I'm suffocating. I will be setting it to 40L flow rate. I just tested it with a higher flow rate as I don't have a flow meter yet. Need to buy one. I used a bin bag as I'm still waiting for my turkey bag to arrive. The bag wasn't sealed on my neck, when the gas built up, it exhaled through the bottom around my neck.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

When done properly at 15lpm, it will cause no feelings of suffocation (but with a flowmeter, that number will be different because of the conversion from argon). This isn't a sign that you need to set it higher, it's a sign that something is off with the bag or similar. Perhaps not all of the air was pushed out of it before it was filled. One last detail: exit bags are NOT meant to be used lying down. The Peaceful Pill Handbook is very clear about this, they have it underlined. If you're dead set on doing this on the beach, you'll need something to prop you up, but doing it in a car, for example, slightly reclined, would be a better bet. I recommend taking more time to review everything about the method before proceeding.

 

[Jello Biafra]

When done properly at 15lpm, it will cause no feelings of suffocation (but with a flowmeter, that number will be different because of the conversion from argon). This isn't a sign that you need to set it higher, it's a sign that something is off with the bag or similar. Perhaps not all of the air was pushed out of it before it was filled. One last detail: exit bags are NOT meant to be used lying down. The Peaceful Pill Handbook is very clear about this, they have it underlined. If you're dead set on doing this on the beach, you'll need something to prop you up, but doing it in a car, for example, slightly reclined, would be a better bet. I recommend taking more time to review everything about the method before proceeding.

"Exit bags aren't meant to be used lying down".

Do you have any idea what the reason for this is?

While I'm not using an exit bag and continuous flow setup like those done with inert gasses, my concern was always that cerebral hypoxia often causes convulsions and straightening of the limbs which could possibly disrupt a delicate setup that includes a number of variables. Unfortunately I'm too much of a worry wart to risk something getting bumped or jarred loose and I regain consciousness only with possible brain damage.

For that reason (and a few others) I decided on N2O in a closed system - ie., filling a bag with N2O and sealing it. N2O takes over both oxygen and co2 in the lungs, and has also been shown to attenuate both the feeling of shortness of breath and hypercapnia. This is why most people who asphyxiate from N2O do it on accident - as there is no feeling of panic or having to breathe harder. It's also an anxiolytic, which certainly helps.

That was a long way of asking if you know anything of why, physiologically, Exit declares exit bags shouldn't be used lying down? Does it have something to do with the inert gasses themselves and the way they work?

The reason I ask is I was originally going to ctb with nitrous while laying down in bed, but I'm wondering if that might not be a good idea. I suppose regardless, I can just do it sitting on my couch just to be safe.

 

[BullsDon'tFly]

That was a long way of asking if you know anything of why, physiologically, Exit declares exit bags shouldn't be used lying down? Does it have something to do with the inert gasses themselves and the way they work?

I think that's more linked to spasms and bigger chance to move the setup.
Lying down creates friction between head, bag and pillow/couch, so if the head is moving unconsciously, it is easier for the bag to loosen or move in a way that the common air can enter. Also, N2 and He are lighter than air, so having the opening of the bag below it and not on its side makes it harder for air to enter the bag and easier for residual CO2 from the lungs to exit.

 

[Jello Biafra]

I think that's more linked to spasms and bigger chance to move the setup.
Lying down creates friction between head, bag and pillow/couch, so if the head is moving unconsciously, it is easier for the bag to loosen or move in a way that the common air can enter. Also, N2 and He are lighter than air, so having the opening of the bag below it and not on its side makes it harder for air to enter the bag and easier for residual CO2 from the lungs to exit.

Thanks for the reply - that makes sense.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Thanks for the reply - that makes sense.

Yes, my understanding of it is that gravity is working with the gas to push everything down & out, but if you're working with a closed system that should not be a concern. And it's not a concern when using inert gas with a mask either, it only applies to the open exit bag.