Venting Everyone is ALREADY receiving medically assisted dying

[KillingPain267]

At least those with access to doctors. Everyone is going to die and for most people that is a long painful process when old, most often ending in horrible experiences such as air hunger, chest pains, numbness and panic, on top of that a horrified grieving family who witnesses it.

But doctors and hospitals assist these "naturally" dying people with sedatives, pain relief and artificial air supply. They do this when they sense that the person, due to old age, has given up. We all have to come to a point where we are defeated by nature and entropy anyway. In fact, pro-euthanasia campaigns target mostly the elderly because they know there is little objection to helping the elderly infirm give up and go peacefully. But these same groups reject young people.

Nobody is telling a 98 year old that "it gets better" or "you will miss out on yummy pizza if you let yourself die now". No, even pro-lifers HAVE to accept defeat at some point ANYWAY. So there is not much difference in practice to a suicidal younger person. I have given up. I had a great life until a few years ago. Some struggles but good support... but then it all went to bunkum.

Now I have nothing to look forward to except finding something to distract me from mental pain every waking minute of every goddamn day. And I have no point in continuing. No goals that are meaningful enough as an anchor to life. I have accepted defeat and therefore it's time to go. But I'm denied a peaceful way to go just because I'm not 98 yet.

What a load of old hypocritical codswallop!

What's so wrong in accepting defeat? Even the Nazis and Samurais with their fanatical warrior fight-to-the-end spirit knew when to call it quits and chewed cyanide or speared their abdomen through.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

"Everyone is going to die and for most people that is a long painful process when old, most often ending in horrible experiences such as air hunger, chest pains, numbness and panic, on top of that a horrified grieving family who witnesses it."

that's all true.

it also depends of what doctor or nurses you get when old. you are totally dependent on them .if they don't decide to upgrade your pain medecine if any you have no option they have total power over you . some pain even the most fentanyl or morphine won't help but they are getting more reluctant to opiods especialy in the not minute quantities recomended which imo doesn't help the worst pain.. i don't know why anyone would want to let others have power over them but that's what happens in old age to many or most .i worked in a nursing home. they are helpless and need help with dialy tasks , some immobile need to be turned every few hours if not skin sores develop. if the nursing assitant slips up , doesn't care or whatever the incurable skin sores develop same for other types of care you are totally dependent on others doing what you want or need all the time which is a hell on it's own . you are a capitve and have to follow orders and have enough mental capacity to kiss ass to these medical overlords and workers and other patients and hope they all like you won't get tired of you get to hate you and so torture you more. as we all know it's very difficult to get everyone to like you and do what you want but you are hellpless old and or disabled in an nursing home and can't even do much for yourself.

and fuck yummy pizza, the worst pain is much more intense and longer lasting than any fucking pleasure addiction

 

[KillingPain267]

it also depends of what doctor or nurses you get when old. you are totally dependent on them .if they don't decide to upgrade your pain medecine if any you have no option they have total power over you . some pain even the most fentanyl or morphine won't help but they are getting more reluctant to opiods especialy in the not minute quantities recomended which imo doesn't help the worst pain.. i don't know why anyone would want to let others have power over them but that's what happens in old age to many or most .i worked in a nursing home. they are helpless and need help with dialy tasks , some immobile need to be turned every few hours if not skin sores develop. if the nursing assitant slips up , doesn't care or whatever the incurable skin sores develop same for other types of care you are totally dependent on others doing what you want or need all the time which is a hell on it's own . you are a capitve and have to follow orders and have enough mental capacity to kiss ass to these medical overlords and workers and other patients and hope they all like you won't get tired of you get to hate you and so torture you more. as we all know it's very difficult to get everyone to like you and do what you want but you are hellpless old and or disabled in an nursing home and can't even do much for yourself.

Yeah, but they still get some assistance in dying, even if it is a little morphine. It's not like people over age 65 are turned away from hospitals due to the possibility that their illness might be part of the inevitable death process. My point is that if they give at least a little help in dying, why not go all the way and allow anyone who has given up being alive assisted medical dying?

 

[Hotsackage]

Yes my dad went naturally, I saw his last concsicous experience, he went through pretty much what you said. They didn't give him anything to sedate him, asshats. Neway I relate to what you're saying.