"Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" -
This one is really stupid. First off there is no foundation to base this assumption on. Some problems are permanent, such as autism, retardation, some medical conditions etc. Even if ALL problems were temporary it doesn't mean they just end. If a person can predict a future full of suffering, the fact the his problems are changing does not negate the fact he's going to suffer and he'll still be unable to utilize his life and existence. If a person is swarmed by problems and hardships and suffers throughout his entire life it means he's always suffering, be it by one or a thousand different problems. Suffering is the parameter that matters for considering suicide, not the quantity of problems.
"What about your parents and family?" -
Well, my parents have brought me to this world and forced me to exist and thus initiated my suffering, they do not own me. As far as family in general goes, it is unfortunate but it applies to everything. Will you tell a judge not to send a person to jail just because his parents will be devastated by it? And if he killed dozens of people, will you prevent just from being made just for the mere comfort of certain people? Again, making people uncomfortable and sad is caused by many things, both just and unjust. It can not be used as an argument.
"Maybe his life will improve!" -
This one has some truth to it. I don't believe every single person, at least now I don't, should just kill himself for no reason. However, I do fully support at least considering suicide when a person's path looks dark and full of future suffering. The point about suicide is stopping suffering, stopping the pain.
Sometimes it is true, but not always. If a person has for example a severe illness that is not yet known to be curable and HAS suffered for 40 years with that said illness(he's 40 years old), in that case he's statistically finished about half of his life, more or less depending on various statistics according to countries. All he's known is suffering, and it is unlikely he'll be able to solve it as modern medicine does not allow it.
In his case it is a FACT that he's known a lot of suffering, it is not a fact he will not suffer and it is actually likely he will continue to do so until his very own death. Likewise, not everybody completes challenges.
Will you blame a person for not fighting in war to achieve something? Let me ask you this, if a person has to suffer immensely for two full years and as a result he will indulge and enjoy for 90 years afterwards, but at the time of his suffering - He will have to go through things like actual torture, terrifying real life nightmares and others horrendous forms of suffering. Will you blame that said person for failing and for giving up? (but he'll enjoy!) Well, it's too much.
If you've any counter-points to add you may do so.
This one is really stupid. First off there is no foundation to base this assumption on. Some problems are permanent, such as autism, retardation, some medical conditions etc. Even if ALL problems were temporary it doesn't mean they just end. If a person can predict a future full of suffering, the fact the his problems are changing does not negate the fact he's going to suffer and he'll still be unable to utilize his life and existence. If a person is swarmed by problems and hardships and suffers throughout his entire life it means he's always suffering, be it by one or a thousand different problems. Suffering is the parameter that matters for considering suicide, not the quantity of problems.
"What about your parents and family?" -
Well, my parents have brought me to this world and forced me to exist and thus initiated my suffering, they do not own me. As far as family in general goes, it is unfortunate but it applies to everything. Will you tell a judge not to send a person to jail just because his parents will be devastated by it? And if he killed dozens of people, will you prevent just from being made just for the mere comfort of certain people? Again, making people uncomfortable and sad is caused by many things, both just and unjust. It can not be used as an argument.
"Maybe his life will improve!" -
This one has some truth to it. I don't believe every single person, at least now I don't, should just kill himself for no reason. However, I do fully support at least considering suicide when a person's path looks dark and full of future suffering. The point about suicide is stopping suffering, stopping the pain.
Sometimes it is true, but not always. If a person has for example a severe illness that is not yet known to be curable and HAS suffered for 40 years with that said illness(he's 40 years old), in that case he's statistically finished about half of his life, more or less depending on various statistics according to countries. All he's known is suffering, and it is unlikely he'll be able to solve it as modern medicine does not allow it.
In his case it is a FACT that he's known a lot of suffering, it is not a fact he will not suffer and it is actually likely he will continue to do so until his very own death. Likewise, not everybody completes challenges.
Will you blame a person for not fighting in war to achieve something? Let me ask you this, if a person has to suffer immensely for two full years and as a result he will indulge and enjoy for 90 years afterwards, but at the time of his suffering - He will have to go through things like actual torture, terrifying real life nightmares and others horrendous forms of suffering. Will you blame that said person for failing and for giving up? (but he'll enjoy!) Well, it's too much.
If you've any counter-points to add you may do so.
