Doxylamine compared to other sleeping pills?

[Rumi]

The method I am interested in attempting requires sleeping pills to work, and I am thinking of using doxylamine as it can be purchased OTC.

How would doxylamine compare to prescription sleeping pills (Ambien, benzos, etc.) in its ability to put someone into a deep sleep?

Has anyone ever taken any of these pills and can compare them? Is there another kind of sleeping pill I could try?

Thanks.

 

[Huntfish34]

Hmmm, I'm not Exactly sure but I Believe some of the cough medicine I used to abuse backk in the day included doxy. Was an Overall dirty / uncomfortable feeling.

I wish you the best and hope you can find something better than doxy If at all possible. Xanax/ Valium; Would be my top 2 suggestions to relax / knock you out .

Godspeed-

 

[locked*n*loaded]

What role will the sleeping aids play in your CTB?

Today's OTC drugs, including OTC sleeping aids, have been engineered so as to pose the very smallest of risk for OD, even if a large quantity is taken. It's not the same today as it was, say, back in the 1970s when much more toxic substances were used in every day store-shelf medication. You are likely to only damage internal organs, like your kidneys and liver, but remain very much alive, only in much worse shape since you'll have to now deal with (more) medical conditions along with whatever is driving you to CTB in the first place.

 

[Rumi]

What role will the sleeping aids play in your CTB?

Today's OTC drugs, including OTC sleeping aids, have been engineered so as to pose the very smallest of risk for OD, even if a large quantity is taken. It's not the same today as it was, say, back in the 1970s when much more toxic substances were used in every day store-shelf medication. You are likely to only damage internal organs, like your kidneys and liver, but remain very much alive, only in much worse shape since you'll have to now deal with (more) medical conditions along with whatever is driving you to CTB in the first place.

I am not using the pills themselves to CTB, just to knock me out while my method takes effect.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I am not using the pills themselves to CTB, just to knock me out while my method takes effect.

OK. Don't expect some instantaneous or overpowering knockout with OTC meds. BTW, if you care to share, what is your method for CTB?

 

[Rumi]

OK. Don't expect some instantaneous or overpowering knockout with OTC meds. BTW, if you care to share, what is your method for CTB?

I will tie 240liter trash bag around head immediately after taking sleeping pills.

 

[Shadowlord900]

I will tie 240liter trash bag around head immediately after taking sleeping pills.

Chances are any sleeping pills you can get OTC will not be strong enough even when OD'd on to keep you unconscious when your body begins to panic due to suffocation.

I think only something as strong as a barbiturate will work for this method, as that is what the Heaven's Gate cult did with Phenobarbital. Nowadays barbiturates are almost (if not absolutely) never prescribed in western countries. Your best chance of getting a barbiturate is through the dark web.

 

[Rumi]

Chances are any sleeping pills you can get OTC will not be strong enough even when OD'd on to keep you unconscious when your body begins to panic due to suffocation.

I think only something as strong as a barbiturate will work for this method, as that is what the Heaven's Gate cult did with Phenobarbital. Nowadays barbiturates are almost (if not absolutely) never prescribed in western countries. Your best chance of getting a barbiturate is through the dark web.

The Coroners Office of Ontario described 110 cases of suffocation by plastic bags over a four year period. Diphenhydramine was the most common drug found at autopsy, and no cases using barbituates were reported.

Here's the link

OTC meds can clearly do the job, it's just a matter of chosing the best option available.

 

[Shadowlord900]

The Coroners Office of Ontario described 110 cases of suffocation by plastic bags over a four year period. Diphenhydramine was the most common drug found at autopsy, and no cases using barbituates were reported.

Here's the link

OTC meds can clearly do the job, it's just a matter of chosing the best option available.

Okay true so I was wrong about barbiturates being the only drug that you can do it, but I think you forgot 2 important parts from the same article you posted:

Benzodiazepines, diphenhydramine and antidepressants were the most common drugs found, with diphenhydramine the most common drug present at an elevated concentration.

It says diphenhydramine was the most common drug present, does not mean that it was the only drug present. It also includes Benzodiazepines. Now benzos I can buy you could probably get away with CTBing on in certain situations. Apparently people have died drowning in their bath tub overdosing on benzos and alcohol (yes I'm only just remembering this ;>___>), but even that method I consider rather unreliable unless if it was a lake deeper than your standing height.

Benzos you definitely cannot get OTC, same with antidepressants, and the latter I find unreliable for with any kind of method. Urgo, OTC meds are useless on their own for trying to CTB with. Combining with prescription or illegal drugs? Sure I guess you can, but with diphenhydramine in particular, you're only gonna increase your odds of vomiting, with the drawbacks likely outweighing the benefits the drug can give. You'd be better off using it as an additional antiemetic (i.e. don't overdose on it) in combination with another more powerful antiemetic like metoclopramide, domperidone, zofran or olanazpine.

Edit: Okay so various sources (including Wikipedia) say there apparently is a lethal dosage for diphenhydramine, I still don't trust it because if it was still that easy to CTB over an OTC drug, we'd be seeing way more suicide reports with those drugs than we currently have.

 

[Rumi]

It says diphenhydramine was the most common drug present, does not mean that it was the only drug present.

Good point. I hadn't considered that.

Benzos you definitely cannot get OTC, same with antidepressants, and the latter I find unreliable for with any kind of method.

I don't think I'll need Benzos, and I can't get them anyway. As for anti-depressants, I imagine they were only present in therapeutic doses.

Okay so various sources (including Wikipedia) say there apparently is a lethal dosage for diphenhydramine, I still don't trust it because if it was still that easy to CTB over an OTC drug, we'd be seeing way more suicide reports with those drugs than we currently have.

I should have clarified in the original post that I am not attempting to OD; I'm using the pills in combination with a plastic bag to asphyxiate. All that is required is that the drugs override my hypercapnic response, so that I am unconscious while I suffocate.

I have found another study that looks convincing; apparently, 25-50mg of doxylamine was more effective as a hypnotic than 100mg of secobarbital ( a drug that is very similar to N).

 

[Shadowlord900]

I have found another study that looks convincing; apparently, 25-50mg of doxylamine was more effective as a hypnotic than 100mg of secobarbital ( a drug that is very similar to N).

;^^ Admittedly I forgot about that. If you don't plan on taking a toxic dose, I guess it wouldn't hurt too much to attempt your method.

Just be warned though if in case your Doxylamine + bag trick don't work out, diphenhydramine overdose effects can be nasty. I can't remember how much mg it was, but I only took about a dozen or so Nytol tablets mixed with alcohol. That was enough to not only make me throw up over most of my bedroom (while asleep), the hallucinations of spiders was nasty.

 

[Rumi]

;^^ Admittedly I forgot about that. If you don't plan on taking a toxic dose, I guess it wouldn't hurt too much to attempt your method.

Just be warned though if in case your Doxylamine + bag trick don't work out, diphenhydramine overdose effects can be nasty. I can't remember how much mg it was, but I only took about a dozen or so Nytol tablets mixed with alcohol. That was enough to not only make me throw up over most of my bedroom (while asleep), the hallucinations of spiders was nasty.

Yeah, I probably won't take more than 200 mg - higher doses actually make it more difficult to sleep.

 

[PV Wickramaratne]

How long does like 20 doxylamine tablets take to make you unconscious and in very deep sleep?