Discussion Don't be afraid of death

[TheQ22]

@color_me_gone
@TheQ22
@peacefullpainless

For once I don't really know what to write.

thank you

I feel really honored by your words. Even if they are of course not entirely fair to everyone else. But I don't want to be petty now so shortly before my death and gladly accept the compliment.

And to be honest, I think it's a shame that I won't be part of this family in almost exactly 2 weeks. If I could miss something in death, then it would be this forum

You're one of the most awesome dudes I've ever known, even though I've never met you. [fixed English for better explanation]

 

[color_me_gone]

a shame that I won't be part of this family in almost exactly 2 weeks

Yes, SS really IS a family, a loving family.
We will really miss you too @LetzteAusfahrt .

 

[endergames]

From an atheist's point of view

I am asked again and again why I have such a relaxed relationship with death, why I will intentionally take SN without medication in order to remain conscious as long as possible and experience my dying with a clear mind. Why I am not afraid of it and am really looking forward to it.

I see my dying as something beautiful that I can unfortunately only experience once. The thought of it makes me happy, so I want to be able to enjoy the process. The knowledge that my body is poisoned and will soon no longer work, which is commonly described as dead.

I can't remember ever being afraid of death. At the age of 15 it was already clear to me that I would kill myself and not die of old age.

As long as I can remember I have been aware of what life and death are. That life has nothing to do with God or soul or a higher power. That nothing comes after life, including death.

Life ends with the destruction of my brain because that's where my life takes place. As a perfect interplay of biological, electrical and chemical processes.

Like everyone else, I always knew that one day I would die. So I did a lot of it and didn't suppress it. The thought of death has accompanied me all my life, has become a friend to me.

That's how I dealt with life. What it actually is, what the meaning of life is.

Life has no meaning, except for the preservation of the human species, which I am absolutely not interested in. Humans are just one of many biological ways of life that developed by chance.

So life has no meaning for me, no value. The effort to make something like this pointless is not worth the return because there is no return.

I cannot take anything with me, not even the knowledge that I am dead. As with all higher living beings, the parents have fulfilled their task as individuals after the conception and rearing of enough offspring.

That man became so intelligent that he considered himself too valuable for this simple task and looked for important reasons for his existence, was not planned.

It is therefore not surprising that every "normal" person believes he knows very well that life is the most valuable thing he has. But no one can provide a meaningful explanation for what is so valuable in life.

When I die I don't lose anything because life is worthless.

When I die, I gain nothing because nothing more comes, nothing is anymore.

So I don't exchange anything for anything, but I don't have to struggle with the meaningless life anymore.

That's why I have no problem with very young people killing themselves. I have to admit, it hurts me infinitely 5 when a teenager kills himself. But that's just a brief flare-up of instincts in me that are difficult to control.

Once I have realized this instinct and have it under control through rational thinking, I see the happiness that has come to them. That they are not caught and tortured in their meaningless life for years or decades and then die after all.

You're truly, my friend! It's an honor.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

And to be honest, I think it's a shame that I won't be part of this family in almost exactly 2 weeks. If I could miss something in death, then it would be this forum

That's the most sad thing about every goodbye thread we've ever seen. Most of us are so supportive of each other that it's easy to become attached, but the goodbye threads bring us back to our sad reality and it reminds all of us that it will be our turn soon enough.

Also, I really like the things you have said in this thread, but I don't have that certainty that death (or in my case what comes after) isn't something to fear. I've been an atheist in the past, but the nagging feeling that I could be wrong prevents me from letting go of theism. I really hope that you are right, but even if it turns out to be incorrect, I admire the courage that you have to find out for sure.

 

[Infinite Conscious]

I was also an atheist for almost 3 decades.

And then I tried DMT, LSD, mushrooms and ayahuasca.
After those experiences, one cannot remain an atheist.
Unfortunately.
It would be great if there was nothingness afterwards.
But... there are signs of a higher intelligence on every fucking corner.

 

[rancho]

I'm not really afraid of dying. I'm afraid of messing up and being worse off. That's what keeps stopping me now.

I was also an atheist for almost 3 decades.

And then I tried DMT, LSD, mushrooms and ayahuasca.
After those experiences, one cannot remain an atheist.
Unfortunately.
It would be great if there was nothingness afterwards.
But... there are signs of a higher intelligence on every fucking corner.

Any insights into what is ahead for somebody who ctb?

 

[rt1989526]

I was also an atheist for almost 3 decades.

And then I tried DMT, LSD, mushrooms and ayahuasca.
After those experiences, one cannot remain an atheist.
Unfortunately.
It would be great if there was nothingness afterwards.
But... there are signs of a higher intelligence on every fucking corner.

So, after those experiences, what do you think happens to someone who commits suicide?

 

[Infinite Conscious]

So, after those experiences, what do you think happens to someone who commits suicide?

My conclusion is that the answer is no single religion... all organized religion is destructive, 3 western ones more than 2 eastern ones.
After A LOT of research and those experiences, I think we will have to reincarnate, at least those of us who commit suicide, with the next time being a bit even more difficult... In those experiences (especially ayahuasca which lasts for hours, even days), one talks to entities who seem omniscient, although themselves maybe not omnipotent (they are not God). They all say the same message: "Infinite/unconditional Love is the only truth, everything else is illusion".

Now, what they probably mean by Love is Infinite Consciousness, The One, of which we are all parts of.
We come to this world so that Divine Consciousness can have a human experience, though all kinds of emotions, good and bad.

We all have a mission and lessons to learn... when we end our life, we failed the mission, so we have to go again through the same "grade", like in school.
There is no Hell as Christians see it, but there is a place that could be called so, where souls go VOLUNTARILY, and are not forced to.
Just like some of us in this world choose the more difficult paths, like addictions and greed.

There is NO escape. That is the most sad thing.
The cards that are dealt to us are determinism, while the way we play the game is free will.

 

[rt1989526]

My conclusion is that the answer is no single religion... all organized religion is destructive, 3 western ones more than 2 eastern ones.
After A LOT of research and those experiences, I think we will have to reincarnate, at least those of us who commit suicide, with the next time being a bit even more difficult... In those experiences (especially ayahuasca which lasts for hours, even days), one talks to entities who seem omniscient, although themselves maybe not be omnipotent (they are not God). They all say the same message: "Infinite/unconditional Love is the only truth, everything else is illusion".

Now, what they probably mean by Love is Infinite Consciousness, The One, of which we are all parts of.
We come to this world so that Divine Consciousness can have a human experience, though all kinds of emotions, good and bad.

We all have a mission and lessons to learn... when we end our life, we failed the mission, so we have to go again through the same "grade", like in school.
There is no Hell as Christians see it, but there is a place that could be called so, where souls go VOLUNTARILY, and are not forced to.
Just like some of us in this world choose the more difficult paths, like addictions and greed.

There is NO escape. That is the most sad thing.
The cards that are dealt to us are determinism, while the way we play the game is free will.

Thanks for your input. I really hope you're wrong though. I am so sick of this shit.

Are you going to proceed to ctb despite these beliefs?

 

[Huntfish34]

I've had numerous Ego death experiences with LSD and mushrooms.... And boy howdy Lemme Tell ya something... With Some of those experiences,. I'd Love to be right back in that blissful place. While others were a Complete and utter bloody Nightmare I wouldn't even wish upon my Worst enemy. So who knows... Just my .02.

 

[color_me_gone]

there are signs of a higher intelligence on every fucking corner

This is how I feel...
BUT...
I don't subscribe to all the crap that (any) religion teaches.
Religion is man made, self serving and hypocritical.
For all I know, this higher power left us to our own devices,
and is off creating something better, somewhere else.

I think we will have to reincarnate

I sure hope you are wrong on that one.

 

[Infinite Conscious]

Are you going to proceed to ctb despite these beliefs?

Yes. Fuck it. There is always a chance we as individual conscious beings don't reincarnate, even though every death brings another birth.
But people have been dealing with life for ages before me/us, so they may as well continue without me/us.
Also, I may have learned my lessons and finished my mission... as a young child I KNEW I was going to do drugs and kill myself.
Maybe that is my destiny, my road less taken, my 5 cents to the Infinite Consciousness.

I've had numerous Ego death experiences with LSD and mushrooms.... And boy howdy Lemme Tell ya something... With Some of those experiences,. I'd Love to be right back in that blissful place. While others were a Complete and utter bloody Nightmare I wouldn't even wish upon my Worst enemy. So who knows... Just my .02. ❤

Yes, ego is fully lost with mushrooms, LSD and ketamine... BUT - DMT and ayahuasca are an entire level above, the last one probably two levels.
DMT is btw produced by our brains when we die.
All in all, hallucinogenic (psychedelic) experience should be a part of every life... like having sex or dreams.

This is how I feel...
BUT...
I don't subscribe to all the crap that (any) religion teaches.
Religion is man made, self serving and hypocritical.
For all I know, this higher power left us to our own devices,
and is off creating something better, somewhere else.

I sure hope you are wrong on that one.

Agree 100%.
I never ever go to church.
But we all pray when the shit hits the fan.
What are the odds of all this perfection coming out of coincidences? Non-fucking-existent.
Most of what we are thought in traditional schools about science and history is pure bullshit.
I also hope I'm wrong about coming back to this "playground" (because this whole thing IS a game, and we often take it too seriously).

 

[color_me_gone]

What are the odds of all this perfection coming out of coincidences? Non-fucking-existent.

the odds are 1: googolplex

Googolplex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

from wiki: One googol is presumed to be greater than the number of atoms in the observable universe,

 

[DeadButDreaming]

I admire your sense of conviction.

I agree that logic points toward the athiest viewpoint of the universe. Unfortunately, I was born to a religious mother, whom I get along with very well actually, and religion was introduced into my life at a very early age. I didn't learn about the theory of evolution until I was 17.

Since I spent the first 2 decades of life as a devout Christian there will always be a kernel of doubt. My CTB won't be a peaceful one, not psychologically anyway.

Don't be afraid to delay your departure. Life can take an unpredictable path.

 

[CarbonMonoxide]

I see my dying as something beautiful that I can unfortunately only experience once. The thought of it makes me happy, so I want to be able to enjoy the process. The knowledge that my body is poisoned and will soon no longer work, which is commonly described as dead.

These words touched something deep within my soul. I value your presence on ss and will miss you greatly when you're switched off, as you say. We need more beautiful souls on this site to inspire other users and pour shame on the prolifers that work against us. I'm not an atheist but I really appreciate hearing diverse views. This was nicely worded, if only I could hear it in the original language and understand.

We agree on one major truth, life is indeed experienced in the brain and death brings about its permanent ending. Although I believe that some will be brought back, I'm happy to say that I believe you'll be one of those that get to rest forever. Thank you for this thread.

 

[RC90]

As a visitor before I've read a lot of your posts. 2 weeks huh? Hope you find the peace you're looking for.

 

[nitroautnz]

From an atheist's point of view

I am asked again and again why I have such a relaxed relationship with death, why I will intentionally take SN without medication in order to remain conscious as long as possible and experience my dying with a clear mind. Why I am not afraid of it and am really looking forward to it.

I see my dying as something beautiful that I can unfortunately only experience once. The thought of it makes me happy, so I want to be able to enjoy the process. The knowledge that my body is poisoned and will soon no longer work, which is commonly described as dead.

I can't remember ever being afraid of death. At the age of 15 it was already clear to me that I would kill myself and not die of old age.

As long as I can remember I have been aware of what life and death are. That life has nothing to do with God or soul or a higher power. That nothing comes after life, including death.

Life ends with the destruction of my brain because that's where my life takes place. As a perfect interplay of biological, electrical and chemical processes.

Like everyone else, I always knew that one day I would die. So I did a lot of it and didn't suppress it. The thought of death has accompanied me all my life, has become a friend to me.

That's how I dealt with life. What it actually is, what the meaning of life is.

Life has no meaning, except for the preservation of the human species, which I am absolutely not interested in. Humans are just one of many biological ways of life that developed by chance.

So life has no meaning for me, no value. The effort to make something like this pointless is not worth the return because there is no return.

I cannot take anything with me, not even the knowledge that I am dead. As with all higher living beings, the parents have fulfilled their task as individuals after the conception and rearing of enough offspring.

That man became so intelligent that he considered himself too valuable for this simple task and looked for important reasons for his existence, was not planned.

It is therefore not surprising that every "normal" person believes he knows very well that life is the most valuable thing he has. But no one can provide a meaningful explanation for what is so valuable in life.

When I die I don't lose anything because life is worthless.

When I die, I gain nothing because nothing more comes, nothing is anymore.

So I don't exchange anything for anything, but I don't have to struggle with the meaningless life anymore.

That's why I have no problem with very young people killing themselves. I have to admit, it hurts me infinitely 5 when a teenager kills himself. But that's just a brief flare-up of instincts in me that are difficult to control.

Once I have realized this instinct and have it under control through rational thinking, I see the happiness that has come to them. That they are not caught and tortured in their meaningless life for years or decades and then die after all.

Myself too I accept death at a very young age, i never cry when a family member die, it's not that i wasn't sad, it just how it is, we all have to go one day. I always wanted to know the exact moment of my death, for being able to reflect on my life, and being able to leave this world with a smile, knowing i wouldn't have changed anything. No matter how hard it as been, i wouldn't be the person i am today.

2 weeks only uh? i read some of your post and as much as i dont know you that well, i will miss you nonetheless and be sad i couldn't know more of you

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

I was also an atheist for almost 3 decades.

And then I tried DMT, LSD, mushrooms and ayahuasca.
After those experiences, one cannot remain an atheist.
Unfortunately.
It would be great if there was nothingness afterwards.
But... there are signs of a higher intelligence on every fucking corner.

My conclusion is that the answer is no single religion... all organized religion is destructive, 3 western ones more than 2 eastern ones.
After A LOT of research and those experiences, I think we will have to reincarnate, at least those of us who commit suicide, with the next time being a bit even more difficult... In those experiences (especially ayahuasca which lasts for hours, even days), one talks to entities who seem omniscient, although themselves maybe not omnipotent (they are not God). They all say the same message: "Infinite/unconditional Love is the only truth, everything else is illusion".

Now, what they probably mean by Love is Infinite Consciousness, The One, of which we are all parts of.
We come to this world so that Divine Consciousness can have a human experience, though all kinds of emotions, good and bad.

We all have a mission and lessons to learn... when we end our life, we failed the mission, so we have to go again through the same "grade", like in school.
There is no Hell as Christians see it, but there is a place that could be called so, where souls go VOLUNTARILY, and are not forced to.
Just like some of us in this world choose the more difficult paths, like addictions and greed.

There is NO escape. That is the most sad thing.
The cards that are dealt to us are determinism, while the way we play the game is free will.

If there are signs of higher intelligence on every fucking corner, please give me a few.

But please a few real signs, no subtle pro-life blabla, that I always hear from you.

Facts, not religious wisdom.
I was born an atheist and luckily I wasn't manipulated into belief. I could decide for myself and will die a happy atheist who doesn't have to be afraid of it

I apologize for my unpleasant words, but I just had to shout it.

 

[MariV]

Afraid of death? how? it's life where the suffering is. i cant wait to leave this body riddled with chronic pain and this cruel and inhumane society

 

[Nutmeg]

THIS IS BY FAR THE GREATEST POST EVER WRITTEN.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

I was also an atheist for almost 3 decades.

And then I tried DMT, LSD, mushrooms and ayahuasca.
After those experiences, one cannot remain an atheist.

Mind altering drugs that mess with your brain are not reliable methods for knowing if gods or spirits exist. All it shows is how easily the brain can be manipulated into seeing or experiencing things, which demonstrates that experiences of supernatural things can be unreliable as well. Seems like a good reason to remain an atheist to me. Just sayin.

 

[checkouttime]

1. as a young child I KNEW I was going to do drugs and kill myself.
Maybe that is my destiny, my road less taken, my 5 cents to the Infinite Consciousness.

2.Yes, ego is fully lost with mushrooms, LSD and ketamine... BUT - DMT and ayahuasca are an entire level above, the last one probably two levels.
DMT is btw produced by our brains when we die.
All in all, hallucinogenic (psychedelic) experience should be a part of every life... like having sex or dreams.

In regards to your 1st commented do you think you felt this way DUE to doing the drugs in the 1st place??? Like i imagine all of us feel really low and shitty after a session on drugs, some worse than others?

In regards to the thing on LSD,shrooms etc the experiences we have etc on them are down to the effects the drugs have on our brain's. I mean the things we see are sometimes to with experiences in life we have had, but also alot of just random things aswell.

I am not being judgemental of your thoughts or perspective(entirely upto you what you believe) I have done ALOT of drugs and most of the ones you have named myself, I think they have caused problems for me. In fact i won't lie, I KNOW they have caused problems for me!

Just wondered what you thought on the matter!

 

[BitterlyAlive]

Very well said. I'll try to remember to read this every one or two days bc it's so good. Thank you, and peace be with you.

 

[Hazelnut]

Thank you so much, OP. I will make sure to read your post again before CTB. It's weirdly conforting.

 

[Shinkansen]

don't be afraid of death: when death comes, you leave this world forever.

 

[Redrum]

From an atheist's point of view

I am asked again and again why I have such a relaxed relationship with death, why I will intentionally take SN without medication in order to remain conscious as long as possible and experience my dying with a clear mind. Why I am not afraid of it and am really looking forward to it.

I see my dying as something beautiful that I can unfortunately only experience once. The thought of it makes me happy, so I want to be able to enjoy the process. The knowledge that my body is poisoned and will soon no longer work, which is commonly described as dead.

I can't remember ever being afraid of death. At the age of 15 it was already clear to me that I would kill myself and not die of old age.

As long as I can remember I have been aware of what life and death are. That life has nothing to do with God or soul or a higher power. That nothing comes after life, including death.

Life ends with the destruction of my brain because that's where my life takes place. As a perfect interplay of biological, electrical and chemical processes.

Like everyone else, I always knew that one day I would die. So I did a lot of it and didn't suppress it. The thought of death has accompanied me all my life, has become a friend to me.

That's how I dealt with life. What it actually is, what the meaning of life is.

Life has no meaning, except for the preservation of the human species, which I am absolutely not interested in. Humans are just one of many biological ways of life that developed by chance.

So life has no meaning for me, no value. The effort to make something like this pointless is not worth the return because there is no return.

I cannot take anything with me, not even the knowledge that I am dead. As with all higher living beings, the parents have fulfilled their task as individuals after the conception and rearing of enough offspring.

That man became so intelligent that he considered himself too valuable for this simple task and looked for important reasons for his existence, was not planned.

It is therefore not surprising that every "normal" person believes he knows very well that life is the most valuable thing he has. But no one can provide a meaningful explanation for what is so valuable in life.

When I die I don't lose anything because life is worthless.

When I die, I gain nothing because nothing more comes, nothing is anymore.

So I don't exchange anything for anything, but I don't have to struggle with the meaningless life anymore.

That's why I have no problem with very young people killing themselves. I have to admit, it hurts me infinitely 5 when a teenager kills himself. But that's just a brief flare-up of instincts in me that are difficult to control.

Once I have realized this instinct and have it under control through rational thinking, I see the happiness that has come to them. That they are not caught and tortured in their meaningless life for years or decades and then die after all.

Very beautifully put

 

[Mixo]

I really love this post, OP. You've reached a health balance of acceptance, rationality, and understanding as you are heading towards death. I too have reached a point where I understand the finite value of human life and how much a life is really worth when your quality of life is so low. Please keep us updated before you go, it's great to read your thoughts.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

THIS IS BY FAR THE GREATEST POST EVER WRITTEN.

Thank you for these big words.

And yet, like me, the post will soon be forgotten. Just like everything is lost in death

I really love this post, OP. You've reached a health balance of acceptance, rationality, and understanding as you are heading towards death. I too have reached a point where I understand the finite value of human life and how much a life is really worth when your quality of life is so low. Please keep us updated before you go, it's great to read your thoughts.

I do my best, but the time just doesn't want to participate, it just runs out of me.

 

[color_me_gone]

there are holes and exceptions all over your words

Life itself is one big contradiction, which is partly the reason we are all here.
It's OK to have conflicting thoughts, since none of us have the answers.
He even said in response my reply, "I hope I'm wrong too."
He is doing what he feels is best for him, in spite of his thoughts.

 

[Invisible 73]

this is a really interesting post, I have day's were I fear death, and the unknown, then day's were it the thought of it, causes great calm and contentment.

This part right here!!!!!