Discussion Does The Many Suicide Failures On Here Put You Off?

[WoNkEy_DoNkEy]

A few users on here that I'm familiar with have failed to cancel/unschedule a GBT

One SN user was discovered after taking it, another two couldn't bring themselves to do it.

One hanger bailed out when he couldn't make it work. Numerous other people have had to abandon partial hanging to the point now where it infuriates me seeing pointless threads asking about a 1 in 50 method.

I know people on here do die but if I'm honest I see so many more failures for whatever reasons and this just really isn't encouraging when you know you wanna die. By which I mean that it instills anxiety for your own attempts. In some ways I almost want someone I know on here to actually CBT just to prove that it can be done. You only get to die once.

 

[willitpass]

It is anxiety inducing, however just like any media platform, things seem more prevalent simply because you're hearing about them. People attempt and fail every day but they don't tell anyone. People succeed every day but it only makes it to the local paper, if that. Social media and media in general create an inflated sense of everything just through broadcasting.

 

[boddibo]

I know people on here do die but if I'm honest I see so many more failures for whatever reasons and this just really isn't encouraging when you know you wanna die.

You only know the stories about those who post on here, how many just decided to CTB without writing a goodbye thread and successfully die? How many never wrote on here but successfully CTB too? We'll never know.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I don't expect anyone who starts a goodbye thread to follow through. I created one a few months ago and I'm still here.

 

[UKscotty]

The opposite, makes me make sure I am well informed about proper methods.

Serious, well planned methods rarely fail.

I'm not saying people are not trying enough but things like popping 30 paracetamols, cuttings wrists with a gillette or tying a bed sheet around a weak door handle are very likely to fail.

Poisons like SN, pentobarbital (Aka Nembutal) or sodium azide are all liable for people to vomit or call for help due to guilt kicking in.

 

[Aprilfarewell4]

It's hard to know what's going on with those people. I don't usually believe it when anyone says they're going to do it, especially if they're talking about partial hanging. You can tell with some, that they are serious with their a goodbye threads, but I think many who suicide don't make a thread about it. I'm not going to. I'm dead already.

 

[notevenhere]

it's off-putting but I think the goodbye threads that doesn't get updated is what sticks to me the most. There's still successful stories here, I only see a few about SN because it's SN.

I'm still afraid of taking SN. knowing how depressed I am, I wouldn't have the motivation or will to follow up with everything like finding antiemetic prescriptions and benzodiazepines to calm down. They're needed to be a successful SN but my dumbass will convince myself I need SN only. I haven't bought the SN, I need to make sure I have the other tools first so I don't impulsively do attempt and fail again. I need this one to succeed. I'm running out of time.

 

[Redleaf1992]

Assuming you mean me by one of the SN users. Don't forget I always mentioned in group that I wasn't sure cos of family when we were waiting for SN.

You have always been more certain, and think you will find it easier than me. Just don't have a 200iq dog like the other case lol.

 

[LaughingGoat]

Not personally since I put more stock in statistics and what the data shows is the most reliable methods. Since the method I have planned has such a minuscule rate of failure, I'm not concerned.

 

[Socrates Respecter]

It's hard to know what's going on with those people. I don't usually believe it when anyone says they're going to do it, especially if they're talking about partial hanging. You can tell with some, that they are serious with their a goodbye threads, but I think many who suicide don't make a thread about it. I'm not going to. I'm dead already.

True, I think some people just want attention.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Still concerned from time to time but who isn't.

 

[Forveleth]

Nah. Some threads are from people making impulse attempts with poorly researched methods, some are from people who were found, some people just can't do it. If anything it's taught me a successful attempt takes time and planning and that killing yourself is in fact, very difficult.

I also find it comforting how supportive everyone is when an attempt fails, no matter the reason.

 

[Linda]

A few users on here that I'm familiar with have failed to cancel/unschedule a GBT

One SN user was discovered after taking it, another two couldn't bring themselves to do it.

One hanger bailed out when he couldn't make it work. Numerous other people have had to abandon partial hanging to the point now where it infuriates me seeing pointless threads asking about a 1 in 50 method.

I know people on here do die but if I'm honest I see so many more failures for whatever reasons and this just really isn't encouraging when you know you wanna die. By which I mean that it instills anxiety for your own attempts. In some ways I almost want someone I know on here to actually CBT just to prove that it can be done. You only get to die once.

This is why proper planning is important. A properly planned attempt is much more likely to succeed. And proper planning also includes thinking through what it will actually be like, and whether you will be able to go through with it in reality.
My own method, when my time comes, will be designed so it can't fail. I will take a long trip into the wilderness, a long way from other people, in cold weather. By the time the cold starts to get to me, I will be too far out to be able to return even if I were to change my mind. I won't have the strength to return.

 

[Lakavi]

Huh? Are we shaming people for failing or not using methods with high chances of success now?
Taking your own life is hard and the stats bear that out; there's more attempts than successes, in here and outside it.
Sure, that's a hard pill to swallow but it would have been true with or without all the posts of failed attempts here.

 

[WoNkEy_DoNkEy]

Assuming you mean me by one of the SN users. Don't forget I always mentioned in group that I wasn't sure cos of family when we were waiting for SN.

You have always been more certain, and think you will find it easier than me. Just don't have a 200iq dog like the other case lol.

Actually she just left the dog out for too long and didn't take into account the dog would naturally wanna eventually come back in

Yes I meant you ya bloody failure @Redleaf1992 JOKING

No @Lakavi no, shaming at all. Just concern.

 

[Hotsackage]

Partial is definetly hit or miss

 

[EyesOfNight]

This is why proper planning is important. A properly planned attempt is much more likely to succeed. And proper planning also includes thinking through what it will actually be like, and whether you will be able to go through with it in reality.
My own method, when my time comes, will be designed so it can't fail. I will take a long trip into the wilderness, a long way from other people, in cold weather. By the time the cold starts to get to me, I will be too far out to be able to return even if I were to change my mind. I won't have the strength to return.

It's really important to imagine yourself attempting. With that a person can get a taste of what it would feel like, whether they want to perform a certain method, and what feelings will arise. It gives a head start to process those feelings.

 

[Orange Cat]

Not really. Whether someone else succeeds or fails in their attempt doesn't increase or decrease your chance of success. They aren't you. They may have a different method than you, They may may have acted impulsively or planned their attempt poorly. It doesn't mean that you will make the same mistakes that they did.If anything it's made me realize how important it is to pick a reliable method and carefully plan every detail out ahead of time and not to leave anything to chance.

 

[lqpbxeuh]

I want to ctb by partial hanging and yeah seeing a bunch of fails and people constantly asking for help (me included) makes me lose hope. Especially since this is the only method available for someone with no independence.

 

[Abyssal]

It gives me peace of mind knowing that I'll get to speak with them again. There are certainly many people I've met who never came back that I wish I could've said goodbye to.

 

[ropearoundatree]

no

 

[Saturn_]

I'm actually very much comforted by reading a lot of the failed SN attempts on here -- not BECAUSE of failure, but because of its seemingly high reversibility in comparison to other methods. A reason why I don't want to do night-night or hang myself is because I don't want to end up completely brain dead or in a vegetative state if something goes wrong or someone finds me. I feel like my mom would be the kind of person to keep me on life support as my body slowly rots away, which is fucking terrifying to me.

I also feel bad for thinking this way, but I always have a gut feeling that a lot of goodbye threads which get frequently updated and don't amount to anything aren't completely serious and are somewhat made as a cry for help/attention. Which isn't at all a bad thing. Human warmth and attention are what make life worthwhile, and people want someone to talk to in times of crisis. Who am I to judge how serious an attempt is, really? I can't ever be certain, and everyone has a right to making those threads, regardless of intent or failure. I just can't rationally bring myself to believe that they will do it.

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

Huh? Are we shaming people for failing or not using methods with high chances of success now?
Taking your own life is hard and the stats bear that out; there's more attempts than successes, in here and outside it.
Sure, that's a hard pill to swallow but it would have been true with or without all the posts of failed attempts here.

This. I'm not sure what the exact stat is but I've heard that for every successful attempt, there are 20 failed ones. People on here are no different. Suicide is no small feat and it's to be expected that most attempts will fail. These experiences can nonetheless be very impactful in someone's life, even if they come out (physically) unscathed. I am certainly not the same person I was before attempting; deliberately taking an action that you believe has a real chance at ending your life, regardless of whether that's actually true, amounts to crossing a line that you can never uncross.

 

[Little_Suzy]

By humanizing suicide, goodbye threads educate us. It allows the person saying goodbye to spend their final moments on Earth in dignity. They often explained why and if it was avoidable. The message that praying to Jesus or talking with someone can prevent suicide is dangerous propaganda.

Some people are now staging goodbye threads and acting out suicide methods. They pretend to die for applause. As the curtain rises, the actor bursts into tears, thanking the audience for their kind words and attendance. Please give Cluster B its own Meryl Streep flair! lol

 

[Illegal Preclear]

If you zero in and focus on the failed attempt stories here, than yes. BUT that's only because the failure stories are more VISIBLE than the success stories. Keep in mind, not everyone who comes to this site is SURE they want to CTB, some come here to figure out if it's for them and decide it isn't. There are some people who aren't ready to commit yet. And there are plenty of success stories on here too! The problem with the success stories is they're naturally less VISIBLE, since most of them DON'T post goodbye threads. There are probably a lot of folks here who've made like 3 posts and gone on to successfully CTB. So given all that - the failures are far more visible than the successes, which makes it APPEAR they're more prevalent, but that's only the appearance.

But you know what? The failure stories are important. Without the failure stories, I probably would have tried partial hanging and failed at it. If I didn't know that SI was this weird instinctive thing wired into your reptilian brain (which I learned here! Didn't know it before!) I might have tried to jump off a bridge, choked, then got pulled back by some busybody and locked in a Psychiatric prison for the umpteenth time. I think they're important to read, even if disheartening.

Of course - given all this, this is why I think it's important to have multiple sources when it comes to CTB research. It may make me sound like a deranged monster, but I also have a site I look at that's nothing but confirmed CTB success videos. At the risk of sounding like a freak - it definitely gives me hope and encouragement that balances out the way I feel reading failure stories on here. There I've seen that full suspension hanging will make you VERY, VERY DEAD. It feels like it would be against the rules to post such links, but type "suicide videos" into Yandex and you'll find it. I write about this because I think it's important to know EXACTLY what you're in for with a CTB method before you commit to it, and what death looks like before you decide it's something you desire.

 

[WoNkEy_DoNkEy]

This is why proper planning is important. A properly planned attempt is much more likely to succeed. And proper planning also includes thinking through what it will actually be like, and whether you will be able to go through with it in reality.
My own method, when my time comes, will be designed so it can't fail. I will take a long trip into the wilderness, a long way from other people, in cold weather. By the time the cold starts to get to me, I will be too far out to be able to return even if I were to change my mind. I won't have the strength to return.

@Linda some say that you've been so kind to people on here and probably irl that god (if he exists) wouldn't let the life pass from you in such a way. I do wonder if there is a will of god in such things

I want to ctb by partial hanging and yeah seeing a bunch of fails and people constantly asking for help (me included) makes me lose hope. Especially since this is the only method available for someone with no independence.

I'd give up right now on partial. I'm a donkey so not far off but partial is like flogging a dead horse.....naaaaayyyy
@lqpbxeuh

There I've seen that full suspension hanging will make you VERY, VERY DEAD. It feels like it would be against the rules to post such links, but type "suicide videos" into Yandex and you'll find it. I write about this because I think it's important to know EXACTLY what you're in for with a CTB method before you commit to it, and what death looks like before you decide it's something you desire.

@Illegal Preclear put links in a spoiler (if you know how to do that) and you can post/add them.

Besides how do you know the product is really SN or N.

Purity tests and source reliability. Never knock SN
@Rolo

Yes. The fact that the outcome of ctb is unknown and not guaranteed puts me off. I wish I knew beforehand whether I would be successful or not. It's such a big risk. I'm most scared of failing an attempt and being left with permanent damage. The fact that people have failed makes me nervous to attempt, and I'm not sure if I will ever have the courage to. It gives me immense anxiety because there's always a possibility for failure

@sserafim If you live until 25 then at the rate you're posting at you might actually have drawn level with @FuneralCry by then. Sorry FC I know you value your numbers.

 

[Rolo]

Not personally since I put more stock in statistics and what the data shows is the most reliable methods. Since the method I have planned has such a minuscule rate of failure, I'm not concerned.

What method do you have planned?

Personally I don't like the poison methods because it takes too long before effective. In the mean time one could get SI but the action is irreversible. Besides how do you know the product is really SN or N.

My method would be Nitrogen + suicide bag. Though the execution of the prisoner in Alabama makes me doubt a bit. That said a exit bag I think is more safe than a mask.

 

[sserafim]

Yes. The fact that the outcome of ctb is unknown and not guaranteed puts me off. I wish I knew beforehand whether I would be successful or not. It's such a big risk. I'm most scared of failing an attempt and being left with permanent damage. The fact that people have failed makes me nervous to attempt, and I'm not sure if I will ever have the courage to. It gives me immense anxiety because there's always a possibility for failure

 

[LaughingGoat]

What method do you have planned?

Personally I don't like the poison methods because it takes too long before effective. In the mean time one could get SI but the action is irreversible. Besides how do you know the product is really SN or N.

My method would be Nitrogen + suicide bag. Though the execution of the prisoner in Alabama makes me doubt a bit. That said a exit bag I think is more safe than a mask.

Shotgun to the brain, done properly has a near zero chance of failing.

 

[Rolo]

Shotgun to the brain, done properly has a near zero chance of failing.

Ah yes that would be an effective method I think but for me it's impossible to get a gun here. Besides I wonder if I would find the courage to pull the trigger.

I have also thought about stopping with eating and drinking. It seems painless but I need my medicine for my neurological problems so I need water to take my pills. It also takes 3 to 4 weeks before you die.