Does N always work?

[Life interrupted]

Does anyone know if one can fail using N to ctb? I don't want to fail this time. I suffered enough. If you know any stories pls share

 

[ineedtoctb]

Does anyone know if one can fail using N to ctb? I don't want to fail this time. I suffered enough. If you know any stories pls share

Gonna follow this thread bc Im interested in this as well

 

[watchingthewheels]

Does anyone know if one can fail using N to ctb? I don't want to fail this time. I suffered enough. If you know any stories pls share

Anything can fail, if done incorrectly. There's a risk with anything.
But if done correctly, and if your liver isn't shot, and your brain isn't jaded from medicaton abuse, it's a miniscule risk of failure.
Most failures are due to intervention, being found and revived.

Instead of finding the ways it can fail, why not count the ways it can succeed?

Coz I'm paranoid

Aren't we all?
If one is serious, one simply would have to overcome that.
Otherwise, you'd be paranoid with ANY method, then, and would never take any action in life.

 

[freelifexit]

I have seen a post where attempt with N failed because of vomiting after losing consciousness.

 

[watchingthewheels]

I have seen a post where attempt with N failed because of vomiting after losing consciousness.

And...? How does this help? ( I mean, I saw a UFO once, but what does that tell others? ) Where is the post? What did it say?

( If true, its probably because they didn't use an AE, as advised, or because they drank alcohol first, or mixed it with something, as others have suggested they will do themselves, contra the PPH...)

 

[Life interrupted]

I have seen a post where attempt with N failed because of vomiting after losing consciousness.

Exactly my fear

 

[watchingthewheels]

Exactly my fear

Have you read the PPH? Have you learned the correct protocol? Are you familiar with anti-emetics and the recommendation to eat a light meal beforehand?

Or are you just looking to have your fears validated?

If so, you may not be ready for this. If not, there's no shame in that. Perhaps you should look into recovery threads/how to improve your situation?

 

[Life interrupted]

Have you read the PPH? Have you learned the correct protocol? Are you familiar with anti-emetics and the recommendation to eat a light meal beforehand?

Or are you just looking to have your fears validated?

If so, you may not be ready for this. If not, there's no shame in that. Perhaps you should look into recovery threads/how to improve your situation?

I failed before and I'm in chronic pain. There is nothing wrong with investigating
It's my life I'm planning to take if you know what I mean

 

[watchingthewheels]

I failed before and I'm in chronic pain. There is nothing wrong with investigating
It's my life I'm planning to take if you know what I mean

There's nothing wrong with investigating. But that's not the same as looking to invalidate a method out of fear and paranoia, as you are doing, here.

If you're investigating, then I ask again: Have you read the PPH? Are you familiar with the protocol? Are you familiar with the anti-emetics, and the light meal recommendation? And to not mix N with juice or yogurt, etc?

What have you investigated, exactly?

 

[Life interrupted]

There's nothing wrong with investigating. But that's not the same as looking to invalidate a method out of fear and paranoia, as you are doing, here.

If you're investigating, then I ask again: Have you read the PPH? Are you familiar with the protocol? Are you familiar with the anti-emetics, and the light meal recommendation? And to not mix N with juice or yogurt, etc?

What have you investigated, exactly?

I know all that. Still anything can go wrong. Even MAID have a back up plan. I'm asking so I can have my back up plan too. For example buying double the dose I need.

 

[watchingthewheels]

If you know that, and if you know that anything can fail (you knew the risk of vomiting before you asked the question), then the question has already been answered. You will already know that there's a risk in ANY method, that nothing is 100% guaranteed. So why ask for stories about failure? You already know the answer, and you'll either have to accept the risk or continue living with the chronic pain.

But then you move beyond the vomit risk to say, "still, anything can go wrong." Not quite true. Demons won't fly out of your stomach, the world won't reverse its polar field, and it won't rain fire. ;) But seriously, that's just paranoia talking. If you're looking to invent reasons for it to fail, then you aren't ready, and that's ok.

But if you're asking about a back-up plan, that's a different story.

One would take precautions, follow the protocol, take the anti-emetics, eat a light meal. Maybe eat a little bit of chocolate and an alchoholic drink as a chaser for the taste, and to speed up the unconsciouness. And be sure to not be found, to allow adequate time for the desired results.

As to the dosage: One bottle is said to be enough, but two is advised if one is large/overweight, or to speed up the process. 3 is usually not advised, unless really obese. If there are liver problems, the process will be delayed, so even more time not being found will be needed, but 3 bottles is said not to help in that case, just time.

But for most people, the risk is minimal if you follow the protocol. That's what it's there for. If you've read the PPH, then you now this, already. No need to "reinvent the wheel." Anything else is really just over-analyzing and complicating the matter. Simple as that.

You already know the answer, then, and the risk, then, and that there's a slight possibility of failure (with any method). But the odds are in your favor with this method, which the most peaceful and reliable. (Notice the original question was "Does N always work, not "does N always fail"?, which acknowledges that it does, in fact, work. And the emphasis on "always" acknowledges its reputation for reliability.) Whether or not you can overcome your self-admitted paranoia, and whether the risk is acceptable to you or not is up to you. I wish you well.

 

[lmon]

I know all that. Still anything can go wrong. Even MAID have a back up plan. I'm asking so I can have my back up plan too. For example buying double the dose I need.

is that MAIDs only back up plan?

 

[Pw81]

Anything can fail, if done incorrectly. There's a risk with anything.
But if done correctly, and if your liver isn't shot, and your brain isn't jaded from medicaton abuse, it's a miniscule risk of failure.
Most failures are due to intervention, being found and revived.

Instead of finding the ways it can fail, why not count the ways it can succeed?

Aren't we all?
If one is serious, one simply would have to overcome that.
Otherwise, you'd be paranoid with ANY method, then, and would never take any action in life.

What do you mean "if your liver isn't shot"?

 

[ornitier199]

What do you mean "if your liver isn't shot"?

Would it be if I failed is the question.

 

[watchingthewheels]

What do you mean "if your liver isn't shot"?

Read the PPH.

(from the 2018 version):

"In some of the analyzed cases, the long comatose phase was associated with the prolonged use of anti-psychotic medication or chronic heavy alcohol use, prior to taking the barbiturate. It is presumed the induction of liver enzymes by these drugs causes increased degradation of the Nembutal, lowering the concentration in the brain. In these situations, increasing the quantity of drug taken (eg. to 2 bottles, 12gm) may not necessarily hasten the death."

 

[Red Scare]

is that MAIDs only back up plan?

No, I think they have a doctor ready to go with a syringe full of a few more grams of the stuff in case drinking it doesn't produce death right away.

In these situations, increasing the quantity of drug taken (eg. to 2 bottles, 12gm) may not necessarily hasten the death."

FML

 

[watchingthewheels]

No, I think they have a doctor ready to go with a syringe full of a few more grams of the stuff in case drinking it doesn't produce death right away.

FML

Doesn't say it won't work, just that it will prolong the process...someone else may have more in-depth information on that, though, more than I can provide.

 

[freelifexit]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-bizarre-story-failing-with-n.74532/

 

[Lost Magic]

Yes it can fail, but it has a higher percentage rate of not failing compared to many other methods. It has to be done with the correct protocol and tbh overthinking it (like you and so many others do) does not help. In fact it may even may cause you to fail because you would panic more and cause your self to be sick because of all the extra worry of it all. Even Exit founder, Philip Nitschke, spoke about this at one of his seminars I saw.

 

[lostmylove]

I feel like most people who failed n do that thing where they go do the attempt but leave a small window for them to be 'saved' as a way of getting over SI.

For example doing it in public, or in a hotel with checkout time in 15 hours and stuff like this. May help get people over the issue to do it but you've got to realise. If you pretty much prepare not to be found for 2 days + the likelihood of failing is <1%.

 

[8AEM]

I feel like most people who failed n do that thing where they go do the attempt but leave a small window for them to be 'saved' as a way of getting over SI.

For example doing it in public, or in a hotel with checkout time in 15 hours and stuff like this. May help get people over the issue to do it but you've got to realise. If you pretty much prepare not to be found for 2 days + the likelihood of failing is <1%.

I thought 1 (or a few) hour(s) was enough to guarantee death?

 

[lostmylove]

I thought 1 (or a few) hour(s) was enough to guarantee death?

It is in most cases but there's outliers always depends on how much Is taken, and how long found after. It's advisable to not be found within 24 hours

 

[Hercules]

The chances of failing with N if you follow the proper protocol are very small. N is not a half baked method. Back in the day when N was prescribed regularly for insomnia, people accidentally OD on it all the time. That is why it is rarely prescribed anymore.

There are only a few medically documented cases of people surviving a large overdose of N. They àre the exception, not the rule. The only reason these people survived is because all of them were either found immediately after taking N, or they panicked and called for help immediately after taking N. They all received medical help in less than 30 minutes. Even so, they were put on life support and almost didn't make it.

So to answer your question, if someone follows the protocol in the. PPH and makes sure they aren't found for 24 hours, they won't fail.

 

[Veraln]

Stumbled upon this recent article about a 19yo SS reader failing with about 3 quarters of Dolethal (about 15g from the leftover pic) but rescued early

Survival after pentobarbitone overdose confirmed through Prescription, Recreational and Illicit Substance Evaluation (PRISE) programme in Australia

Deaths caused by barbiturate overdoses have increased in the past decade, especially as a result of suicide attempts. Pentobarbitone is a central nervous system depressant used for sedation and eut...

www.tandfonline.com

About the 24 hours' mark, let's be cautious. Extracts from this forum

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-failure-from-final-exit-question.85404/

Max time to death reported here, 41 hours, although it may well come from Phenobarbital instead of Pentobarbital, we don't know



Max 104 hours here

 

[peace is good]

然后呢这有什么帮助？（我的意思是，我曾经看到过 UFO ，但这告诉了其他人什么？）邮局在哪里？上面写了什么？

（如果是真的，可能是因为他们没有使用 AE ，建议，或因为他们喝了酒，或混合的东西，因为其他人建议他们自己做，反对 PPH

然后呢这有什么帮助？（我的意思是，我曾经看到过 UFO ，但这告诉了其他人什么？）邮局在哪里？上面写了什么？

（如果是真的，可能是因为他们没有使用 AE ，建议，或因为他们喝了酒，或混合的东西，因为其他人建议他们自己做，反对 PPH 。。。）

what is AE？

 

[hankbank3928]

Stumbled upon this recent article about a 19yo SS reader failing with about 3 quarters of Dolethal (about 15g from the leftover pic) but rescued early

Survival after pentobarbitone overdose confirmed through Prescription, Recreational and Illicit Substance Evaluation (PRISE) programme in Australia

Deaths caused by barbiturate overdoses have increased in the past decade, especially as a result of suicide attempts. Pentobarbitone is a central nervous system depressant used for sedation and eut...

www.tandfonline.com

About the 24 hours' mark, let's be cautious. Extracts from this forum

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-failure-from-final-exit-question.85404/

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Max time to death reported here, 41 hours, although it may well come from Phenobarbital instead of Pentobarbital, we don't know

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Max 104 hours here

What do you think about taking Dilantin to Remove the extended coma? (As stated in the PPH).