Does anyone here believe in God?

[Aap]

I don't understand the premise that the existence of God is incompatible with suffering.

 

[Blue Portal]

Now does suicide fare in this scenario?

I thought I already answered that generally speaking. I'll give another shot at it from a different perspective.

If you study astral projection, near death experiences, out of body experiences, even dmt, psychedelics, meditation, you'll find that out of body experiences are very common. And we live in a multidimensional universe.

When you die all you do is transition into another vibrational energy field. The physical is a very harsh place, but its the dimension that has the most potential for gowth.

 

[RileyTanaka]

I thought I already answered that generally speaking. I'll give another shot at it from a different perspective.

If you study astral projection, near death experiences, out of body experiences, even dmt, psychedelics, meditation, you'll find that out of body experiences are very common. And we live in a multidimensional universe.

When you die all you do is transition into another vibrational energy field. The physical is a very harsh place, but its the dimension that has the most potential for gowth.

I don't know how I picked up this idea, but I have heard that people who commit suicide end up in a much lower plane vibrationally. Or that we are already in a lower place vibrationally. It might be scare mongering from the person who told me, but it still made me really think. As awful as it sounds, even if that could be true, I'd still be likely to go through with it anyway if it meant being free of bodily suffering.

 

[Puppy]

I believe in God 110% and always will I just want to be in Heaven with him

 

[Blue Portal]

I don't know how I picked up this idea, but I have heard that people who commit suicide end up in a much lower plane vibrationally. Or that we are already in a lower place vibrationally. It might be scare mongering from the person who told me, but it still made me really think. As awful as it sounds, even if that could be true, I'd still be likely to go through with it anyway if it meant being free of bodily suffering.

Let's put it this way.

Lets say you have two people that die. One dies a Christan alcoholic and he abused many drugs. The other commited suicide when he was 18 because he was disabled. He used the most peaceful method, nembutal. Which died in a lower vibration? Obviously the christian. In this example its easy to see whols going to a lower vibrational field in the afterlife. The energy doesnt lie.

 

[RileyTanaka]

Let's put it this way.

Lets say you have two people that die. One dies a Christan alcoholic and he abused many drugs. The other commited suicide when he was 18 because he was disabled. He used the most peaceful method, nembutal. Which died in a lower vibration? Obviously the christian. In this example its easy to see whols going to a lower vibrational field in the afterlife. The energy doesnt lie.

I understand now. In the same vein of thought, I once spoke to a counselor on a crisis hotline who was working the 3 am shift, away from his colleagues so he was able to be more frank with me about my situation. He was raised a buddhist, but some kind of southeast asian sect of buddhism.

He told me that if I were to end my life on the grounds of health issues that it would be different than someone who was killing themselves out of revenge, like a murder suicide for example. He said that according to this particular buddhist belief system, the method in which one dies does have an impact on where a spirit/soul ends up later and to go non-violently. He also said that how you feel before you go also matters a great deal. He obviously wasn't encouraging me to do it and expressed sadness at my circumstances and choice (if anyone questions his motives, it wasn't nefarious). It's been ages since I thought of that, although I don't know how to weigh in on that belief. Thanks for your comment.

there are many idiots here, unfortunately

I'm not loving your comment. If you want to contribute something useful, please do so or kindly leave the thread.

 

[Blue Portal]

I understand now. In the same vein of thought, I once spoke to a counselor on a crisis hotline who was working the 3 am shift, away from his colleagues so he was able to be more frank with me about my situation. He was raised a buddhist, but some kind of southeast asian sect of buddhism.


He told me that if I were to end my life on the grounds of health issues that it would be different than someone who was killing themselves out of revenge, like a murder suicide for example. He said that according to this particular buddhist belief system, the method in which one dies does have an impact on where a spirit/soul ends up later and to go non-violently. He also said that how you feel before you go also matters a great deal. He obviously wasn't encouraging me to do it and expressed sadness at my circumstances and choice (if anyone questions his motives, it wasn't nefarious). It's been ages since I thought of that, although I don't know how to weigh in on that belief. Thanks for your comment.

Yes i also got that belief too from buddhists and hindus and jains even astral projectors back up this idea. They all know that the vibration of your body when you go to the afterlife determines where you go. That may not be an absolute truth but I'm sure there is some truth to it I'm sure.

Even if you look at a atheist nde by Howard Storm he died an agnoizing death and he went not into the lower realms but the middle realm. But he was dupped by negative beings into following them into the heavy vibrational dimensions of darkness where they tormented him for a long time.. He got saved when he called out to jesus. And jesus came and saved him and brought him out of there. Jesus took him to heaven eg the upper dimensions. He asked the angels what religion is the best religion and they said the religion that brings you closed to God. I read his book. Hes the real deal.

 

[Jumper Geo]

Yes i also got that belief too from buddhists and hindus and jains even astral projectors back up this idea. They all know that the vibration of your body when you go to the afterlife determines where you go. That may not be an absolute truth but I'm sure there is some truth to it I'm sure.

Even if you look at a atheist nde by Howard Storm he died an agnoizing death and he went not into the lower realms but the middle realm. But he was dupped by negative beings into following them into the heavy vibrational dimensions of darkness where they tormented him for a long time.. He got saved when he called out to jesus. And jesus came and saved him and brought him out of there. Jesus took him to heaven eg the upper dimensions. He asked the angels what religion is the best religion and they said the religion that brings you closed to God. I read his book. Hes the real deal.

I read something similar and I met a few yoga teachers in Thailand who astral project and say they are trying to raise there vibration so when they die they can go straight into the higher realms, I did practice for a week but I couldn't do it they gave me some relaxing religious music to listen to they said go to be set the alarm for say 5 hours sleep and when you wake up get up do a few things and then lay on your bed, eyes closed and listen to the tape and the trick is not to fall a sleep but to imagine you are floating, anyway I kept falling a sleep so I gave up, I worked with a girl who was also a yoga teacher and she told me she atral projects she was quite and not flash or anything, there was no reason not to believe her but no matter what realm you go into, it will suit your vibration, you can visit other realms for short periods to see family but you won't enjoy it staying to long as they are of a higher vibration so the goal is to keep raising your vibration to move up. I find it hard you can't trust anyone in life and death.

 

[Blue Portal]

I read something similar and I met a few yoga teachers in Thailand who astral project and say they are trying to raise there vibration so when they die they can go straight into the higher realms, I did practice for a week but I couldn't do it they gave me some relaxing religious music to listen to they said go to be set the alarm for say 5 hours sleep and when you wake up get up do a few things and then lay on your bed, eyes closed and listen to the tape and the trick is not to fall a sleep but to imagine you are floating, anyway I kept falling a sleep so I gave up, I worked with a girl who was also a yoga teacher and she told me she atral projects she was quite and not flash or anything, there was no reason not to believe her but no matter what realm you go into, it will suit your vibration, you can visit other realms for short periods to see family but you won't enjoy it staying to long as they are of a higher vibration so the goal is to keep raising your vibration to move up. I find it hard you can't trust anyone in life and death.

There is a shortcut to raising your vibration and going to heaven. It's DMT. Look it up. nnDMT AKA DMT is known as the spirit molecule, and 5-meo-dmt is known as the God molecule.

 

[voltage268]

I'm not loving your comment. If you want to contribute something useful, please do so or kindly leave the thread.

hypocrite much

 

[RileyTanaka]

hypocrite much

Bro, you came onto a suicide forum where there are people suffering from terminal disease and illness, asking how to contract a terminal illness. Pretty shitty thing to talk about when those some of these folks would do absolutely anything to regain their health and you're talking about it like a fantasy. If that's not the definition for a lack of self-awareness, I don't know what is. Girl bye.

 

[voltage268]

Bro, you came onto a suicide forum where there are people suffering from terminal disease and illness, asking how to contract a terminal illness. If that's not the definition for a lack of self-awareness, I don't know what is. It's not my issue if you can't take critical feedback. Back onto the ignore list you go.

Ironically then you missed the serious post I made to this thread, see it first and let me know your thoughts as I come from a christian background.

My thread was not the first ever made for people looking for different methods of putting death in motion. As anyone can clearly see I apologised in the thread if it came across as silly or insensitive, and ultimately you can't claim lack of self-awareness when this is ultimately a pro suicide forum, where people who are hurt and confused come to have their throughts straightened out. Count yourself lucky you haven't experienced serious mental illness. Your post would have been 'critical feedback' if you gave your reasoning and allowed me to respond.

 

[RileyTanaka]

Ironically then you missed the serious post I made to this thread, see it first and let me know your thoughts as I come from a christian background.

My thread was not the first ever made for people looking for different methods of putting death in motion. As anyone can clearly see I apologised in the thread if it came across as silly or insensitive, and ultimately you can't claim lack of self-awareness when this is ultimately a pro suicide forum, where people who are hurt and confused come to have their throughts straightened out. Count yourself lucky you haven't experienced serious mental illness. Your post would have been 'critical feedback' if you gave your reasoning and allowed me to respond.

I have experienced mental illness so I see and experience both dimensions of suffering. And yeah, I didn't see your clarifying posts after that because frankly as a chronically ill person, I found it upsetting. Let's both of us move on and not derail this thread. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

 

[DyslexicForeigner]

I believe in God 110% and always will I just want to be in Heaven with him

He loves you so much

But, you can't be with Him for an eternity... b'coz he wants you to keep coming back over and over again... to this really beautiful and magnificent dimension that He created in just six days :)

 

[voltage268]

I have experienced mental illness so I see and experience both dimensions of suffering. And yeah, I didn't see your clarifying posts after that because frankly as a chronically ill person, I found it upsetting. Let's both of us move on and not derail this thread. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

Agreed, but I would say for users on a pro-suicide board, those seeking terminal illness are doing so fear of hurting their families and not implying direct suicide, willing to go through the pain, not to offend others here who are suffering, I'll think again to phrase it in a less offensive way.

Would still be interested to hear your thoughts to my account as it's not often I can talk with a christian on a pro-suicide board(!)

 

[RileyTanaka]

Agreed, but I would say for users on a pro-suicide board, those seeking terminal illness are doing so fear of hurting their families and not implying direct suicide, willing to go through the pain, not to offend others here who are suffering, I'll think again to phrase it in a less offensive way.

Would still be interested to hear your thoughts to my account as it's not often I can talk with a christian on a pro-suicide board(!)

I'm agnostic, actually but I was raised Christian. I only posted about this because I am genuinely curious as to how a Christian who is deeply suicidal would be able to reconcile the belief that suicide is considered a sin.

 

[gymletethnicel]

No, I used to be a practicing Muslim though. Used to be very religious, would attend the mosque, pray 5 times a day. I'm not religious anymore though.

I'm a genetic monstrosity. Two chronical illnesses. Short. Ugly. And barely have any money, while there are people with a 100 billion dollars.

Either God is a sadistic malevolent piece of shit or he's fake.

 

[voltage268]

I'm agnostic, actually but I was raised Christian. I only posted about this because I am genuinely curious as to how a Christian who is deeply suicidal would be able to reconcile the belief that suicide is considered a sin.

Fair enough, I'm agnostic as well now, I'm glad I called you out anyway haha. It's a torment basically, no-one wants to jump from the frying pan into the fire. The reason hell is more feared for the christian suicidal, is that their mind is already prone to a more pessimistic and hopeless state fearing the worst; it doesn't make sense that someone who apparently loves you unconditionally would sentence you to eternal pain because you wanted out from a painful life, but logic goes out the window when you're banking on your (eternal) life.

However nowadays, at least from an evangelical background, there's much more of an effort from the church to acknowledge depression as a real illness and not just 'spiritual attacks from the devil', and even some stating that suicide does not necessarily = hell, and that god is merciful. There have been a few prominent christian suicides by pastors in the news over the years, and I'm personally encouraged when I see the facebook comments from other christians in response, showing compassion and understanding, although you do get the odd one saying they must be burning in hell.

 

[Krash1990]

I absolutely know God is real.

the premise of pain and suffering not lining up with Christian ideology comes from ignorance(no offense!) and is opposite of what the Bible teaches.

Hell, God sent his son to be beaten, tortured, and killed in an incredibly violent way. Almost all of the disciples of Christ faced similar demises.

The Bible tells us we will suffer in this world because it is fallen and "controlled" by demons and Satan.

The thing that showed me the proof I needed was a sermon called "The Bible; The Book of Ages" by Adrian Rogers.

I tend to lean far more logically and scientifically and that was a tipping point for me. This guy goes through the scientific proofs that the Bible is real and it was mind blowing. There are things in the Bible that will astound you to know. Things that goat farmers 2000 years ago(or even 500 years ago) could not have known and yet God told them these things.

I'm not sure what God actually is, but he/she/it is something far greater than we are and he promises a paradise at the end of this life.

 

[BitterlyAlive]

Does anyone here believe in God? Did anyone here used to believe in the Christian God?

If so, how do you reconcile your beliefs with the suffering that you experience which has brought you here? Many here wrestle with the question of what happens after death, but not many discuss their relationship to a higher power in the context of suicide. If you are here, it is very likely that any prior belief in a God is at least compromised now, but for some, it may be a mitigating factor for actually going through with it.

I would love to hear from any Christians on the board. Please be kind, non-judgemental, and allow open discussion. It's easy to be dismissive as so many of us here are atheists, agnostics, or devoid of spiritual belief in general. Thanks.

I do believe in God. I must admit, I haven't really read my bible as often as I should, so please don't be upset if I can't debate. It's my own fault.

I just think the world we live in is sick and twisted. That doesn't mean all people are bad or twisted. But suffering and pain is simply an inevitable part of life. It sucks. Some people unfortunately get an especially raw deal from life.

I think God understands the hearts of those who are suicidal/die by suicide. I don't believe that we are sent to Hell just because we kill ourselves. I don't think God condemns us for being this way.

I've discussed this with a user before, but my faith does make things more difficult. I was supposed to die when I was born. Yet things worked out "perfectly". Despite the odds, I'm physically fine aside from minor effects of my birth such as poor vision. It's a miracle, I suppose. My mother is convinced that God has a purpose for me and that I'll be fine. I don't disagree that there's a purpose to my life, because every human being has purpose and meaning - it just may not be some grand, ideal purpose like we're often led to believe. That's okay.

I don't agree with my mom that I'll be fine. That's okay. Some people are just...meant to suffer more, I guess.

I just feel a bit bad because I could be throwing away some greater plan that God has for me. But, like I said, I think God understands our hearts and our pain. Sometimes the pain is just too much. It's nothing to be ashamed of (lol despite my overwhelming shame and guilt).

I don't know if this helps anyone, but this is just what I believe.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

I believe in God, but in a different one each day of the week.

Mondays, I believe in Jehova.
Tuesdays in Zeus.
Wednesdays I believe in Odin and
Thursdays in the sun god Ra.
Fridays, I usually believe in Kahōʻāliʻi,
Saturdays in Jabru and on
Sundays I believe in Kanye West

 

[whitetea]

I grew up going to church most weeks with my best friends family. I think I forced myself to believe it because I was desperate to belong somewhere and church just accepts everyone but I wouldn't consider myself Christian. Now I believe there must be a higher being than us and I pray etc but I struggle to make sense of the injustices so I struggle with it in my head.

 

[azdertex1598]

Why should a god cares about humanbeing , he's much bigger than that , after nihilism logic no ; nobody in earth have the accretion about it and in our daily life we are not in contact with anything else exept physics and psychologie ( psycho-logic) + interactions in our minds and body ( pragmatic ) , also in human history (scientifics ) they didn't find any powerfull impact . At the end we are all agnostics by nature and also obligated to that

 

[Jumper Geo]

I have come across a few video's that are so tragic and have a happier ending.

Could it be a Miracle.




But then you have the Pollock twins



Cheers

Geo

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Why should a god cares about humanbeing , he's much bigger than that , after nihilism logic no ; nobody in earth have the accretion about it and in our daily life we are not in contact with anything else exept physics and psychologie ( psycho-logic) + interactions in our minds and body ( pragmatic ) , also in human history (scientifics ) they didn't find any powerfull impact . At the end we are all agnostics by nature and also obligated to that

Uhm I don't think we are obligated to be agnostics. We can believe in anything we like

 

[azdertex1598]

I have come across a few video's that are so tragic and have a happier ending.

Could it be a Miracle.




But then you have the Pollock twins



Cheers

Geo

it can be a logic analyzing fot it ..

Uhm I don't think we are obligated to be agnostics. We can believe in anything we like

of course you can if that makes you feel comfort

 

[_Minsk]

if god exists i think we would be all part of him, i really don't like the concept of religion in general, why would he prefer his "own" son 'jesus' more than other human beings, maybe i misunderstood parts of the christian view on "their" god. but there are so many 'gods' out there, and each of them wants you to do something completely different. some want you to convince others that there this 'specific' god is, while others want you to blow up buildings and kill others..
maybe "all' religion points to the same god and some people just use religion to rule people.. one of the bad thing i see in religion is that they separate us humans, which god would want separation and conflicts?

i don't see god as separate being, if an god exists, it must be us, the whole universe, basically all that exists must be god then i believe. no separate being, no separate entity. im not sure how a god wants us to experience suffering tbh. maybe there is more out there we dont know yet or its all just meaningless.
maybe we come from an place where no concept of time exists, i love the idea of an soul and afterlife. maybe this earth is just a place to learn, as some spiritual people claim. a place where souls are being reincarnated to learn lessons, which you couldnt experience in a spiritual realm, in case this would exist. life might be an simulation to learn all that stuff, like love and so on but.. it gives me a headache tbh, i wish i would know what life is about in case its about something..

 

[stunnednaddled]

I used to, though the thought still holds me back at times. It's hard because I'm afraid of hell but also my previous view of god wasn't the shitty one everyone makes him out to be. I just think it's stupid when people think he's in control of every move and you can just pray pain away liek my grandma does.

 

[ssaaahmo]

i was curious about the christian god but never believed in it
now i believe in anamadim and the mongolian death worm

 

[TonyThat2003]

Thank god i dont believe in god