does anyone ever worry about reincarnation?

[mangomango]

hi everyone!

so as I near closer and closer to my suicide, i've been worrying a bit about reincarnation. I'm not a religious person, nor do i believe in an omnipotent, caring god. i think, if there really is a god, he/she/they/it is probably sadistic, uncaring and unfeeling. anyway, i sometimes worry that i will kill myself, only to come back to the earth and continue suffering. you know? like, what if death isn't even an escape?? what if there is no escape?? sometimes i think this existence is hell so there has to be something better after this. but other times i wonder if life is just an infinite cycle of suffering that just changes from one genre of suffering to the next.

what do you all think? is death an escape from suffering of is the afterlife a continuation of suffering? or is it neither? i would also love to hear if anyone has had any paranormal experiences that have influenced your beliefs about death/the afterlife.

thank u! :)

 

[stupidlife666]

yes i fear reincarnation.

fk that shit. i read somewhere a theory that says something about where you die has an impact on where you will be reincarnated.
So people who believe that ctb in rich places like manhattan.

if reincarnation exist , this existence is an even bigger sick joke.

 

[xLosthopex]

I'm an atheist but even still, when I was about to go through with my last ctb attempt I started having racing obsessional thoughts about reincarnation and/or the after life, I guess it was due to my SI
So annoying and frustrating because logically I know that's not what I actually believe, but ugh.. SI is such a bitch

 

[Before26]

hi everyone!

so as I near closer and closer to my suicide, i've been worrying a bit about reincarnation. I'm not a religious person, nor do i believe in an omnipotent, caring god. i think, if there really is a god, he/she/they/it is probably sadistic, uncaring and unfeeling. anyway, i sometimes worry that i will kill myself, only to come back to the earth and continue suffering. you know? like, what if death isn't even an escape?? what if there is no escape?? sometimes i think this existence is hell so there has to be something better after this. but other times i wonder if life is just an infinite cycle of suffering that just changes from one genre of suffering to the next.

what do you all think? is death an escape from suffering of is the afterlife a continuation of suffering? or is it neither? i would also love to hear if anyone has had any paranormal experiences that have influenced your beliefs about death/the afterlife.

thank u! :)

I was raised in a Muslim household. In Islam, they literally say that if you commit suicide you're tortured in the hellfire for eternity with the mode of your suicide. If you shoot yourself, you're made to shoot yourself over and over etc. I thought I wasn't religious but the closer I get to dying the more fearful I am that it is going to be the reality, similar to you, the feeling that we will continue to suffer even though we tried to escape suffering. I think I need to remember that all religions are against suicide, and religious people are those who still have hope. We obviously wish that heaven exists because what a dream but there may be nothing, which is also scary to think about, but I hope whatever there is it is an ease from suffering and not additional torture for those who were tortured in this life, that doesn't seem like kindness from a being that so many look up to.

 

[stupidlife666]

I'm an atheist but even still, when I was about to go through with my last ctb attempt I started having racing obsessional thoughts about reincarnation and/or the after life, I guess it was due to my SI
So annoying and frustrating because logically I know that's not what I actually believe, but ugh.. SI is such a bitch

Your problem is not SI.

You are afraid of death. / Like living too much to see it end.

Ive been on this forum long enough and ive seen your posts a lot.

I was raised in a Muslim household. In Islam, they literally say that if you commit suicide you're tortured in the hellfire for eternity with the mode of your suicide. If you shoot yourself, you're made to shoot yourself over and over etc. I thought I wasn't religious but the closer I get to dying the more fearful I am that it is going to be the reality, similar to you, the feeling that we will continue to suffer even though we tried to escape suffering. I think I need to remember that all religions are against suicide, and religious people are those who still have hope. We obviously wish that heaven exists because what a dream but there may be nothing, which is also scary to think about, but I hope whatever there is it is an ease from suffering and not additional torture for those who were tortured in this life, that doesn't seem like kindness from a being that so many look up to.

Thats just a tactic to make your fearful and to control you into living a full life and have kids.

 

[mangomango]

I'm an atheist but even still, when I was about to go through with my last ctb attempt I started having racing obsessional thoughts about reincarnation and/or the after life, I guess it was due to my SI
So annoying and frustrating because logically I know that's not what I actually believe, but ugh.. SI is such a bitch

oh wow. excuse my ignorance, but what is SI?

 

[stupidlife666]

oh wow. excuse my ignorance, but what is SI?

Survival instinct.

She is mistaking the concept for her fear of death. A lot of users here do the same. They don't understand the true meaning of "Survival Instinct".
Like they honestly believe that whats holding them back is the SI when it's really their fear of dying. But they can't admit that. No. Because that would hurt their ego and sense of "self". Much easier to blame it on something ... like SI.

But it's understandable since it's harder to go past your first understanding of things.

 

[Before26]

Survival instinct.

She is mistaking the concept for her fear of death. A lot of users here do the same. They don't understand the true meaning of "Survival Instinct".
Like they honestly believe that whats holding them back is the SI when it's really their fear of dying. But they can't admit that. No. Because that would hurt their ego and sense of "self". Much easier to blame it on something ... like SI.

But it's understandable since it's harder to go past your first understanding of things.

Fear of death could still come under survival instinct. As it is so unknown, and goes against survival, we are ingrained to fear death. So I'm unsure if you can truly separate the two. Those who no longer fear death, and make peace with it, are those who are able to CTB most successfully. Survival instinct I feel is when the human body feels intense fear and kicks into fear to stop you. I see your point though but I think I would argue the two concepts do overlap

 

[byebyeburdee]

Nope. I no longer have any fears about any kind of afterlife for two reasons:

The one time I did medically die, it was completely peaceful, like a very heavy nap.

Also, I cannot emphasize enough how much peace of mind it gave me to go through this (long and very brainy) YouTube playlist on death. A Yale moral philosophy professor gets really into the details of why and how humans came to think of death as a body/soul, life/afterlife duality. And his conclusions are very comforting for those of us seeking rest and peace.

 

[squidgirl]

looks very useful. i will watch it, thanks

 

[aprilshowers]

If reincarnation is real, then the next few eternities of life and death are reeaaally going to suck. How can I transcend ignorance if I am chained to humanity even after suicide?

 

[GentleJerk]

Survival instinct.

She is mistaking the concept for her fear of death. A lot of users here do the same. They don't understand the true meaning of "Survival Instinct".
Like they honestly believe that whats holding them back is the SI when it's really their fear of dying. But they can't admit that. No. Because that would hurt their ego and sense of "self". Much easier to blame it on something ... like SI.

But it's understandable since it's harder to go past your first understanding of things.

Self-preservation is probably a more accurate term. But I think that's what is usually meant by SI. And It's a powerful involuntary response which includes fear.

 

[stupidlife666]

Self-preservation is probably a more accurate term. But I think that's what is usually meant by SI. And It's a powerful involuntary response which includes fear.

Most girls are scared of death. I've talked to a couple of girls face to face that has been sometimes under the influence and they confessed to me that they were so scared of death that they started crying.

Living things like to live.

 

[mangomango]

Nope. I no longer have any fears about any kind of afterlife for two reasons:

The one time I did medically die, it was completely peaceful, like a very heavy nap.

Also, I cannot emphasize enough how much peace of mind it gave me to go through this (long and very brainy) YouTube playlist on death. A Yale moral philosophy professor gets really into the details of why and how humans came to think of death as a body/soul, life/afterlife duality. And his conclusions are very comforting for those of us seeking rest and peace.

omg thank you for this! i can't wait to watch

 

[GentleJerk]

Most girls are scared of death. I've talked to a couple of girls face to face that has been sometimes under the influence and they confessed to me that they were so scared of death that they started crying.

Living things like to live.

I think most warmblooded organisms are. It's one of the main reasons you and I are not dead right now.

 

[xLosthopex]

Fear of death could still come under survival instinct. As it is so unknown, and goes against survival, we are ingrained to fear death. So I'm unsure if you can truly separate the two. Those who no longer fear death, and make peace with it, are those who are able to CTB most successfully. Survival instinct I feel is when the human body feels intense fear and kicks into fear to stop you. I see your point though but I think I would argue the two concepts do overlap

Agreed

 

[Squidbits]

I wouldn't fear reincarnation, if it were true. It would be a clean slate at the start. And there's no guarantee you would even come back as a human. It's possible you could come back as an animal and not have these torturous thoughts. Or you could reincarnate into a different dimension (if you believe in that kind of stuff), where our understanding of things don't even apply.

I dunno. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but if reincarnation were true and our consciousness does go on indefinitely, then numerically speaking every life can't be suffering. I understand why people would despair over thought of being awake forever, but a lot of reincarnation theories state that you only keep reliving the cycle until your soul achieves enlightenment. So you would earn your sleep eventually.

Either way, I wouldn't stress about it. Reincarnation is only one out of hundreds of afterlife theories. We'll all find out which one's true someday.

 

[GentleJerk]

To the OP: I'll put something here that I wrote elsewhere.

Religion seems to be opposed to suicide, but in all original religious texts you will find some degree of understanding towards it. The least accepting seems to be the Torah and the Quran, and yet they both have more than one mention of suicide that is considered acceptable under certain circumstances.

Aside from the two well known references to suicide in the Buddhist Dharma, there are the self immolations. Over 150 Tibetan monks just since 2009. The most well known is the Vietnamese monk who recited a prayer for Amitabah Buddha before setting himself on fire as a protest against Catholic rule. The argument is that this was an act of self-sacrifice, death for the sake of others aimed at moving the hearts of the oppressors and calling attention to the suffering of the people.

This is interesting to consider for a chronically ill suicidal person, who has a tendency towards Buddhism and belief in reincarnation... They might consider their condition is such that he/she cannot sufficiently gain merit and help others. They might believe that they are unable to move further along their path due to the diseases debilitating effects. They may wish to ctb either in order to relieve the burden of others out of compassion, or find their way to another existence were they can gain merit and begin to help others once again. In this way it can be thought of as a self sacrifice for the greater good. I know some people just think its all bull, but for someone with a tendency towards these beliefs Its something worth considering.

@Before26 so in Islam's version of hell for suicide, someone who takes a barbiturate and falls asleep before dying peacefully would be in for a way better eternity than other methods!

 

[Sherri]

Personally I hope there's no such thing, I def dont wanna come back to this place ever again when I'm gone.

 

[GentleJerk]

I wouldn't fear reincarnation, if it were true. It would be a clean slate at the start. And there's no guarantee you would even come back as a human. It's possible you could come back as an animal and not have these torturous thoughts. Or you could reincarnate into a different dimension (if you believe in that kind of stuff), where our understanding of things don't even apply.

I dunno. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but if reincarnation were true and our consciousness does go on indefinitely, then numerically speaking every life can't be suffering. I understand why people would despair over thought of being awake forever, but a lot of reincarnation theories state that you only keep reliving the cycle until your soul achieves enlightenment. So you would earn your sleep eventually.

Either way, I wouldn't stress about it. Reincarnation is only one out of hundreds of afterlife theories. We'll all find out which one's true someday.

The usual idea is that reincarnation involves actions generating higher or lower rebirths, suicide is typically thought to be an action that results in negative consequences such as rebirth into lower states that suffer more.

Hence why a few posts up I pointed out that there are many who believe in reincarnation that say a suicide can be positive, or that some self-killings are not suicide but self sacrifice, which those particular supporters argue brings merit and a higher rebirth. the 'self-sacrifice buddhist monk immolations' is a good example. Or a soldier throwing himself onto a live grenade to save his buddies.

There are many who argue that no good can come from destroying oneself. But from a karma perspective, I have the idea that if you are limited in this life to do good things and help others, or creating suffering for others by being a burden maybe due to illness- and you anticipate the next life to be a chance to once again do good deeds and be of service to others. Then this could be thought of as self sacrifice for the greater good and distinctly different from suicide simply to escape one's own suffering.

 

[Before26]

To the OP: I'll put something here that I wrote elsewhere.


@Before26 so in Islam's version of hell for suicide, someone who takes a barbiturate and falls asleep before dying peacefully would be in for a way better eternity than other methods!

I really like the way you think haha!

 

[Shiv15]

As someone who is spiritual, I think I can give my 2 cents. I was going to use another word but chose "spiritual" instead. I had the pleasure of communicating with a spirit once. A very knowledge being filled with wisdom. Quite popular but I don't want to reveal his name.

I asked him if he could kill me, he declined. He said I am not evil. And he just cannot strike me to death. It's the evil deities who are brought down low.
By this, I'm assuming there will be repercussions for any heavenly being who kills an innocent human.

He also said that if I do commit suicide, I will have to reincarnate again or I will become a wanderer. The way he phrased it led me to believe I will have a choice on what path to take after my suicide.



----x----

Though ps he said another profound thing that really resonated with me. I remember asking a question relating to a proverb in the text of Bhagavad Gita. I failed to comprehend it. Anyhow, after asking him a question, he opened up the exact page where the proverb was written and told me that "suffering is not the same as pleasure and hell is not heaven. My suffering might be pleasurable to some. And my pleasure might be suffering to others. The world is vice versa."

This being I speak about was beautiful. He had an elephant head. Very nice too. If I receive positive feedback on this I may disclose his name.


----x----

I forgot to mention. About this reincarnation thing. If you die a normal death in which suicide wasn't involved, then you won't be forced to reincarnate. It does depend on your karma and whatnot but usually and for most people, you just go to your ancestors after your death. This was told to me by the same being.

 

[9kevinngannou]

In my own belief, reincarnation is a real thing but it isn't something mandatory, more so, something a lot of us are deceived into agreeing post death. There's a theory that this world is a prison planet, where souls pretty much come here to suffer to feed energy to beings known as archons.

We are free to do whatever we want post death. Karma, reincarnation and all of that is just concepts created to enslave you IMO. You can check out somebody called Akvile Sava on youtube if you wish, she is somebody who is a very avid out of body-traveler and can pretty much astral project at will (if you believe in that sorta stuff). She really helped my understanding of life post death.

 

[ChaseIt]

According to reincarnation there is no punishment per se for suicide, but you will eventually be faced with the same issues that caused you to CTB before, in other words you are forced to deal with these same things again until you deal with it and 'pass' the test in order to evolve on a soul level. No one can say for sure what exactly is true, but due to various experiences I have had lead me to believe there is something more going on than we can see. Personally I wish/hope this is all there is and death is the end. I fear it is not.

 

[lost_ally]

I don't know if anyone knows of Jürgen Ziewe? His works have helped me understand a lot. Jürgen regularly visits the other side through meditation/astral projection. He wrote the book "How to enjoy life when you're dead" and. mentions that suicides actually go through a lot of therapy to heal. He also wrote the book Multidimensional Man.
Truly fascinating what he writes about..
Of course, this is one person's account, so it's hard to say what's the truth. But worth reading How to enjoy life when you're dead. It reminded me a bit on the old book, A wanderer in the spirit lands.

 

[FuneralCry]

Reincarnation is a horrifying thought but I believe it is a fictional concept. The thing that I am worried about is this life we already live in as there is unlimited potential for suffering and there is no limit as to how bad things can get. I believe there is nothing after this, once I die I will never have to experience anything and I will be at peace.

 

[GentleJerk]

According to reincarnation there is no punishment per se for suicide, but you will eventually be faced with the same issues that caused you to CTB before, in other words you are forced to deal with these same things again until you deal with it and 'pass' the test in order to evolve on a soul level. No one can say for sure what exactly is true, but due to various experiences I have had lead me to believe there is something more going on than we can see. Personally I wish/hope this is all there is and death is the end. I fear it is not.

This seems a lot more fair on people who live pleasurable lives and then die sudden unexpected deaths, than people with lives of great suffering or long drawn out illness and disease.

 

[IsntItOver]

I was raised pentecostal christian so I'm afraid of hell, but practiced Buddhism for over a decade so I'm afraid of reincarnation or rebirth too.

I'm also scared of just nothing.

I'm trying to ctb today but these fears are holding me back. I hate being so scared. I don't want to change my mind again & be stuck living this miserable life anymore...

 

[user_name_here]

Survival instinct.

She is mistaking the concept for her fear of death. A lot of users here do the same. They don't understand the true meaning of "Survival Instinct".
Like they honestly believe that whats holding them back is the SI when it's really their fear of dying. But they can't admit that. No. Because that would hurt their ego and sense of "self". Much easier to blame it on something ... like SI.

But it's understandable since it's harder to go past your first understanding of things.

you come across as one of these predatory people that signs up just to goad people into CTB while you sit back with your tub of popcorn.

 

[stupidlife666]

you come across as one of these predatory people that signs up just to goad people into CTB while you sit back with your tub of popcorn.

It's kind of offensive to throw around such accusations...