Does anyone else hate the vast majority of humans?

[Oppenheimer]

I don´t hate people. I hate the Human Race and what it became.

I know some very good, sensitive, honest, selfish, humble people and I know some that are rotten to the core.

But as a hole the Human Race is just awful. We kill for sport, we let people starve, we destroy the goddammit planet we live in, we torture animals for food and clothing... and we do it from the start.

The planet would be better off without us.

 

[seekingoblivion]

I don't really hate people so much as I just don't hold them in high regard. I hate myself though. I hate myself so much I want to kill me.

 

[ThisIsTheLastNight]

Can anyone relate? Honestly, I just think most people are rotten at the core.

Absolutely right. Many people would cheat others if they have an advantage that is big enough. In this world, you have to be selfish and always think about yourself otherwise you go under. This must be taught as a small child by his parents. Egoists and people who make the most of themselves achieve more in life. All others are simply selected by nature. Other people are not partners but first and foremost competitors. Unless, of course, the friend. That's just what I experienced.

 

[Jean Améry]

Can anyone relate? Honestly, I just think most people are rotten at the core. I've seen and experienced some really depraved shit in my life, but not only that; typical interactions and observation yields a similar conclusion. I'm horribly desensitised and bitter towards pretty much everyone. I feel like we genuinely all don't deserve to be here, all we seem to do is fuck things up, hurts ourselves and others.

And no one seems to realise the most dangerous drug controls everything you do, others, and the world. Money talks.

Social media has completely fucked us sideways, hook up and selfie culture is a cancer that needs removing. I could go on and on about what's wrong with the world and how no matter what, human nature will never change and thus all outcomes significantly suboptimal and include God knows how much rape, genocide, bigotry, ignorance, greed and envy.

And please, don't mistake this post as envy. If I had all the money in the world I'd honestly still feel this way, I've experienced being comfortable with money and struggling, for every issue money solves it creates one to take its place, or more.

Just needed a little /vent, apologies. Tldr; society and human nature cause mental health and suicidal ideation and intent.

How does one hate people one doesn't even know? I do believe it would be best if humanity died out in a controlled, peaceful manner but that's based on compassion, not hate.

No need to apologize for expressing yourself. That's what this place is for.

 

[Psilo]

Can anyone relate?

Oh yes, but I hate myself the most.

I wished I could leave civilization and spend my last days in wilderness Alaska or something...

But I can't I'm stuck in this hell hole.

 

[Lilith]

Eu também odeio

 

[Jolene40]

I hate people for being healthy and having no clue of the suffering some people have to endure.
People are inherently selfish and i think its only got worse with social media and the increase in these absolutely vile types of people on Instagram taking non stop selfies!

 

[Deleted member 1768]

A lifetime of mainly experiencing the bad side of people and rarely the good has made me misanthropic. I was always pessimistic and cynical (living in poverty and in poor health didn't help). A lifetime of being an outcast and experiencing bullying and mistreatment has only fueled that, now I just do my best to avoid others and live a solitary life. Being isolated has left me feeling more indifferent than hateful. I feel much sadness and empathy for the outcasts, loners and suicidal. The so-called dregs of society that don't fit in anywhere. I guess because I know how it feels. I go back and forth between being full of anger and despair. I know it's not the healthiest choice but avoidance is what works best for me. I already felt alone being around others anyways. I realize that it's natural for all living things to bully and that it won't ever change, which is why I want to leave this world. I hate the very nature of how this cruel world operates, of course my opinion isn't important. The natural order of this world has always been the same since the beginning of time and will remain so long after I'm dead and gone. I hate myself most of all, though.

It seems to me that sentient beings are multifaceted. Each animal, which includes humans, have aspects which are highly admirable and just as many faults. Someone helping another without being asked, carrying groceries, holding open a door, caring for the sick/injured are wonderful things, and I encounter this in others every day. They are often small events, but they are also cumulative...smile.

 

[JadedGray]

How does one hate people one doesn't even know? I do believe it would be best if humanity died out in a controlled, peaceful manner but that's based on compassion, not hate.

No need to apologize for expressing yourself. That's what this place is for.

I can only speak for myself, but it's not hating people as individuals per se but rather as a collective society. It's more hating human nature than actual humans. I've come to believe that we humans don't have as much control over ourselves or self awareness as we would like to think, and that we are not much different from animals, as far as following instincts (a combination of individual instincts determined by DNA and life experiences and group instincts determined by location and society). Humans hate other humans they don't know. Humans are naturally judgmental (whether negatively judging people they don't know, which comes from a feeling of dislike or unfamiliarity, or even positively judging people they don't know, usually people who posses traits we find admirable and wish we had ourselves). My life experiences dealing with humans' cruelty and apathy (growing up in an abusive broken home, being treated like a labrat by uncaring doctors who destroyed what little health I had, to fill their pocketbooks and then throwing me to the wayside when there was nothing more they could do for me, and being bullied regularly by peers and complete strangers who despite not knowing me felt they had the right to treat me like garbage for their own amusement and having others either watch indifferently or blame me... all of this brought on a lot of hatred, but now I feel that it's pointless because it's nature, and not just humans either, but all living creatures. It's the natural order of things, although it's not as bothersome when animals do it because they don't put on charades about how they are, the way humans do, but again maybe that is also a human instinct). Being mistreated and hurt by both the people who are supposed to love and care for you and complete strangers a like can make you cynical of others and the human race as a whole. I guess it just comes from life experiences for the most part although reading through history and what humans have done since the beginning of time won't leave you with a positive view of humans or make you think that they are good for the planet.

To be honest the only living things that are the closest to selflessness on this earth are trees. They give life (oxygen, food, shelter, resources) to all creatures and get little in return.

It seems to me that sentient beings are multifaceted. Each animal, which includes humans, have aspects which are highly admirable and just as many faults. Someone helping another without being asked, carrying groceries, holding open a door, caring for the sick/injured are wonderful things, and I encounter this in others every day. They are often small events, but they are also cumulative...smile.

I agree that humans are multifaceted but being a pessimist I feel the harm they cause this world overall outweighs the positive.

The above is just my opinion though, which is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Abrtract poverty is going down world wide. Steven Pinker wrote a book and did a video about how violence world wide is declining. Cheap products have made even poverty level living much better with smart phones, microwave ovens, etc.

I would not tell those without homes, the hungry, the injured/diseased. There are no cheap products for those who are consistently without the means to survive. Every penny must be used for survival, and if things are bad enough theft and violence will always prevail. Given the billions living with; severe, debilitating illness, hungry, homeless, unable to get the help needed to bring them out of dire poverty the level of need will rapidly rise throughout the world.
Add to this the inevitable loss of jobs due to automation and disaster strikes. If your family, especially children, are living under a bridge or in a car you have no choice but to fight back. As most on this site know si is very difficult to override. How much more so when others depend on you for their very lives.

 

[Idorus]

I can relate. It's an overall feeling you automatically get after many many many suffered misfortunes. Time after time hating all the ones you're close to because of their unceasing insensitivities and there's no way out cause you love them as well and even worse: you need them to escape an even more deep-seated hatred against humanity. An eternal dance of dazzling highs and crushing lows against your will, how inspiring.

 

[JadedGray]

It also stems from self-hatred a lot of times. Being mistreated over and over again by those around you makes you evaluate yourself and makes you think that it's you that is the problem since time and time again wherever you go you experience others' dislike of you... so then you begin to hate them for making you hate yourself even more then you already did, especially since you didn't ask to be this person and brought into this world in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I can only speak for myself, but it's not hating people as individuals per se but rather as a collective society. It's more hating human nature than actual humans. I've come to believe that we humans don't have as much control over ourselves or self awareness as we would like to think, and that we are not much different from animals, as far as following instincts (a combination of individual instincts determined by DNA and life experiences and group instincts determined by location and society). Humans hate other humans they don't know. Humans are naturally judgmental (whether negatively judging people they don't know, which comes from a feeling of dislike or unfamiliarity, or even positively judging people they don't know, usually people who posses traits we find admirable and wish we had ourselves). My life experiences dealing with humans' cruelty and apathy (growing up in an abusive broken home, being treated like a labrat by uncaring doctors who destroyed what little health I had, to fill their pocketbooks and then throwing me to the wayside when there was nothing more they could do for me, and being bullied regularly by peers and complete strangers who despite not knowing me felt they had the right to treat me like garbage for their own amusement and having others either watch indifferently or blame me... all of this brought on a lot of hatred, but now I feel that it's pointless because it's nature, and not just humans either, but all living creatures. It's the natural order of things, although it's not as bothersome when animals do it because they don't put on charades about how they are, the way humans do, but again maybe that is also a human instinct). Being mistreated and hurt by both the people who are supposed to love and care for you and complete strangers a like can make you cynical of others and the human race as a whole. I guess it just comes from life experiences for the most part although reading through history and what humans have done since the beginning of time won't leave you with a positive view of humans or make you think that they are good for the planet.

To be honest the only living things that are the closest to selflessness on this earth are trees. They give life (oxygen, food, shelter, resources) to all creatures and get little in return.


I agree that humans are multifaceted but being a pessimist I feel the harm they cause this world overall outweighs the positive.

The above is just my opinion though, which is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I disagree with your hypothesis re. animals, other than humans, do play charades. It is shown in every expression of all the living that this is so. I might also add that your opinions are important to me. Anyone who can provide me with a new perspective increases my ability to open my mind. Selfish I know but, thank you.

 

[Misanthrope]

My misanthropy is not so much about hatred. I think individualistically people can be alright. My own experiences though have made it so every person I meet starts out in deficit of trust. I view us all as animals with a veneer of being civilised. Until a base need is threatened or advantage can be secured for whatever tribe you put value in at the expense at the 'other stranger tribe.' Then it is down to red of tooth and claw.

It is also hard to not feel immense disgust at how much knowledge we are squandering. How little we learn from history even though this is the information age and we could be choosing a better way based on ample hindsight. How we are selling out the future of children for the sake of shareholder value with little regard for wellbeing, environment or even a fulfilling existence. It is very hard to not feel universal disgust and sorrow at many of the ideologies that are not founded in logic or evidence-based approaches that lead to atrocity, depraved indifference, or keep harmful systems in place unchallenged. My hatred comes from those who suppress an informed society ever developing so we would focus on mitigating pain for the benefit of all. Consistently dividing us into ever more extreme divided tribes. Not simply people who all bleed the same, hunger the same and would prefer to breathe clean air, eat safe food and drink clean water.

I am aware I am a disappointed idealist.

 

[Quinlor]

I don't hate anyone because I think all people are subverted by life. The problem is that I don't fit in this "life dynamics" I don't follow the others. In this senses, I don't hate me or the society. I just suffering a lot.

 

[spanishguy22]

I don't hate anyone because I think all people are subverted by life. The problem is that I don't fit in this "life dynamics" I don't follow the others. In this senses, I don't hate me or the society. I just suffering a lot.

We got short end. In my case just one decision I made a small boy changed my life to depression. Now I must die

 

[JadedGray]

I disagree with your hypothesis re. animals, other than humans, do play charades. It is shown in every expression of all the living that this is so. I might also add that your opinions are important to me. Anyone who can provide me with a new perspective increases my ability to open my mind. Selfish I know but, thank you.

I guess what I meant was animals as an entire species don't have as much awareness as humans as far as how they are perceived to each other or to us (they probably don't notice us or give us as much thought as we do them). In nature shows, you'll see the ugly side of animals in plain view, there is no hiding it, dressing it up or pretending that they are any more than what is front of you. Animals don't have the pretenses that humans do. There is no rationalizing their behavior because they can't, as far as we can tell. Of course if they had the ability I don't pretend that they wouldn't end up like humans.

Thank you for appreciating my meanderings. I value your responses too as it gives me time to think a little more about my perspective (which is always changing) and learn from you and others on here. I'm glad we have a place where we can have rational conversations and share our different opinions without bickering.

 

[GeorgeJL]

I would not tell those without homes, the hungry, the injured/diseased. There are no cheap products for those who are consistently without the means to survive. Every penny must be used for survival, and if things are bad enough theft and violence will always prevail. Given the billions living with; severe, debilitating illness, hungry, homeless, unable to get the help needed to bring them out of dire poverty the level of need will rapidly rise throughout the world.
Add to this the inevitable loss of jobs due to automation and disaster strikes. If your family, especially children, are living under a bridge or in a car you have no choice but to fight back. As most on this site know si is very difficult to override. How much more so when others depend on you for their very lives.

Evidence please.

Here's my evidence.
Extreme poverty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_poverty

 

[TAW122]

I used to 'hate' a lot of humanity, but nowadays, I'm rather just indifferent to them. It is mostly not (directly) their fault for what they are as they are brainwashed by the media and other influences into buying the mentality of 'life is great' and death is always bad. Personally, I don't think of it in those terms. In fact, I see it more as life is a negative involuntary imposition that everyone has been given while death is a net zero, where it is neither good nor bad. Now of course, death can be a negative if said person wants to 'live' but life was cut short for said person.

As far as money, yes I feel the same way too as my family is middle class and I don't view money as a solution to ALL problems, there are some things that money just can't replace or substitute. In fact, money really is just a means to an end, and when there are things that money can't solve, then that is where things are fucked.

 

[Lefty]

Yeah I like this. I'm misantrhope as well.

 

[KadathianStr1d3r]

Nah dude, most humans are fine. It's those at the tops that I dislike the most though and the way they fucked humanity over big time! I believe humanity is still capable of good and being saved, it's just that I won't be alive when the time comes. However I will do everything possible to make life less shit for the few that got rejected and I hope one day in the near future I can help assist in stopping thugs with guns across the sea yo! I don't aim to the be the hero of mankind or some wack ass hollywood shit like that, I just want to be the guy that makes life less miserable.

 

[favourite]

I don't hate people, I hate circumstances that made me fucked up.

 

[Ruffian]

It's hard to objectively assess the entire human race when I'm steeped in depression and self-loathing. How much of my plight was a role of the cosmic dice and how much did I self-inflict? That's what I pay my analyst to determine, and the answer isn't always clear to either of us, from my lifetime experience of mixed results from therapy and medication. I certainly don't blame myself for the chronic physical pain, but the emotional and mental? I don't know. I don't live in extreme poverty, but I am by no means successful if I compare myself to my peers from similar backgrounds.

What I do know is this is the first place I've ever felt free to pretty much be myself. And as someone else said, to be able to express myself freely without being judged. I thank everyone here for that. How strange that a group of people with suicidal urges have given me strength to hold on to life a little longer. That sounds really cheesy, I know.

 

[Alan James]

In my case it is very easy to determine exactly who is to blame. I have bad genes: I just lost the genetic lottery, I was not lucky. There are no technologies capable of changing genes so there is no cure for me at all.
But society and the goverment are to blame for the fact that such as I do not have the right to euthanasia or assisted suicide. This is a clear and precise indicator that we are all slaves and society is not civilized. And for that, I hate both myself and society to the extreme.

 

[GeorgeJL]

Can anyone relate? Honestly, I just think most people are rotten at the core. I've seen and experienced some really depraved shit in my life, but not only that; typical interactions and observation yields a similar conclusion. I'm horribly desensitised and bitter towards pretty much everyone. I feel like we genuinely all don't deserve to be here, all we seem to do is fuck things up, hurts ourselves and others.

And no one seems to realise the most dangerous drug controls everything you do, others, and the world. Money talks.

Social media has completely fucked us sideways, hook up and selfie culture is a cancer that needs removing. I could go on and on about what's wrong with the world and how no matter what, human nature will never change and thus all outcomes significantly suboptimal and include God knows how much rape, genocide, bigotry, ignorance, greed and envy.

And please, don't mistake this post as envy. If I had all the money in the world I'd honestly still feel this way, I've experienced being comfortable with money and struggling, for every issue money solves it creates one to take its place, or more.

Just needed a little /vent, apologies. Tldr; society and human nature cause mental health and suicidal ideation and intent.

I am not that pessimistic about society. Yes I do acknowledge that shits more messed up than people realize, but many people just can't handle the truth so that is why they stay in ignorance.

OK so let's start with number one. Social media, yes social media is fucking things up but in the grand scheme of things, this is a very new problem so we must learn through many decades how to evolve past it. As bad is social media is today it's nothing compared to the media of the past. Like over 100 years ago. Are you kidding me? This is child's play compared to the evil propagated by people 100 500 1000 2000 3000 years ago. They didn't even know how to think back then, many of them. Sure there were exceptions to the rule but generally most of the population were feed BS.

As far as hook up culture, well that is good because it's allowing us to be more picky for marriage and learn what we really want in our partner. Unlike people years ago which felt compelled to marry for survival reasons.

As far as selfies goes, well selfies are fine in moderation just like everything else. As a millennial myself I have very rarely taken a selfie and I suspect that many have not. And even if I were to take many selfies a day that is just fine as long as I am successful in life. Nobody suffers when someone takes selfies in moderation. LOL

At the end of the day your focusing too much on one aspect of the many aspects to look at something. Yes people are rotten to the core, but the only way forward to success is to focus mostly on peoples strengths and help bring that out of them. Can you imagine a parent telling their children that they are rotten to the core and sinful what that would do to the child. We must be very forgiving that is the only path to success in our society.

And things are getting better as we are entering a new age of abundance through information, science, and technology. Abstract poverty is going down world wide. The highly respected Steven Pinker wrote a book and did a video about how violence world wide is declining. Cheap products have made even poverty level living much better with smart phones, microwave ovens, cheap products, etc.

 

[Bloodtearsdust]

Can anyone relate? Honestly, I just think most people are rotten at the core. I've seen and experienced some really depraved shit in my life, but not only that; typical interactions and observation yields a similar conclusion. I'm horribly desensitised and bitter towards pretty much everyone. I feel like we genuinely all don't deserve to be here, all we seem to do is fuck things up, hurts ourselves and others.

And no one seems to realise the most dangerous drug controls everything you do, others, and the world. Money talks.

Social media has completely fucked us sideways, hook up and selfie culture is a cancer that needs removing. I could go on and on about what's wrong with the world and how no matter what, human nature will never change and thus all outcomes significantly suboptimal and include God knows how much rape, genocide, bigotry, ignorance, greed and envy.

And please, don't mistake this post as envy. If I had all the money in the world I'd honestly still feel this way, I've experienced being comfortable with money and struggling, for every issue money solves it creates one to take its place, or more.

Just needed a little /vent, apologies. Tldr; society and human nature cause mental health and suicidal ideation and intent.

Yeah I can definitely relate. I had to stop looking at the news for awhile. Lots of people on this planet that are basically spare parts.

 

[Nullm]

I am not that pessimistic about society. Yes I do acknowledge that shits more messed up than people realize, but many people just can't handle the truth so that is why they stay in ignorance.

OK so let's start with number one. Social media, yes social media is fucking things up but in the grand scheme of things, this is a very new problem so we must learn through many decades how to evolve past it. As bad is social media is today it's nothing compared to the media of the past. Like over 100 years ago. Are you kidding me? This is child's play compared to the evil propagated by people 100 500 1000 2000 3000 years ago. They didn't even know how to think back then, many of them. Sure there were exceptions to the rule but generally most of the population were feed BS.

As far as hook up culture, well that is good because it's allowing us to be more picky for marriage and learn what we really want in our partner. Unlike people years ago which felt compelled to marry for survival reasons.

As far as selfies goes, well selfies are fine in moderation just like everything else. As a millennial myself I have very rarely taken a selfie and I suspect that many have not. And even if I were to take many selfies a day that is just fine as long as I am successful in life. Nobody suffers when someone takes selfies in moderation. LOL

At the end of the day your focusing too much on one aspect of the many aspects to look at something. Yes people are rotten to the core, but the only way forward to success is to focus mostly on peoples strengths and help bring that out of them. Can you imagine a parent telling their children that they are rotten to the core and sinful what that would do to the child. We must be very forgiving that is the only path to success in our society.

And things are getting better as we are entering a new age of abundance through information, science, and technology. Abstract poverty is going down world wide. The highly respected Steven Pinker wrote a book and did a video about how violence world wide is declining. Cheap products have made even poverty level living much better with smart phones, microwave ovens, cheap products, etc.

Basically you believe the future will be utopia
I used to tell myself that even was checking regularly on science or society progress
Unfortunately i realized to my despreation that selfishnesh will prevail
And i realized that through these same sources i was looking for that hope
I don't feel like providing links as you are very firm on that

 

[Alan James]

I believe that society is evolving and someday the "golden age" of human kind will come. But I believe that man as a biological species is only a transitional stage in the process of evolution to a new kind of people (or will it already be something else?) which will be a symbiosis of computers, cybernetics and biology. A symbiosis with AI and different networks (like internet), perhaps also humanity will have something like a collective mind, like a social network uniting people's minds. That part of the humanity who are not able or unwilling to enter into a symbiosis with computers and other technics will inevitably extinct.

 

[spanishguy22]

I can only speak for myself, but it's not hating people as individuals per se but rather as a collective society. It's more hating human nature than actual humans. I've come to believe that we humans don't have as much control over ourselves or self awareness as we would like to think, and that we are not much different from animals, as far as following instincts (a combination of individual instincts determined by DNA and life experiences and group instincts determined by location and society). Humans hate other humans they don't know. Humans are naturally judgmental (whether negatively judging people they don't know, which comes from a feeling of dislike or unfamiliarity, or even positively judging people they don't know, usually people who posses traits we find admirable and wish we had ourselves). My life experiences dealing with humans' cruelty and apathy (growing up in an abusive broken home, being treated like a labrat by uncaring doctors who destroyed what little health I had, to fill their pocketbooks and then throwing me to the wayside when there was nothing more they could do for me, and being bullied regularly by peers and complete strangers who despite not knowing me felt they had the right to treat me like garbage for their own amusement and having others either watch indifferently or blame me... all of this brought on a lot of hatred, but now I feel that it's pointless because it's nature, and not just humans either, but all living creatures. It's the natural order of things, although it's not as bothersome when animals do it because they don't put on charades about how they are, the way humans do, but again maybe that is also a human instinct). Being mistreated and hurt by both the people who are supposed to love and care for you and complete strangers a like can make you cynical of others and the human race as a whole. I guess it just comes from life experiences for the most part although reading through history and what humans have done since the beginning of time won't leave you with a positive view of humans or make you think that they are good for the planet.

To be honest the only living things that are the closest to selflessness on this earth are trees. They give life (oxygen, food, shelter, resources) to all creatures and get little in return.


I agree that humans are multifaceted but being a pessimist I feel the harm they cause this world overall outweighs the positive.

The above is just my opinion though, which is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I can't agree more.

This is something mostly only people who experienced a bad school experience will truly get so feel free not read:

I was thinking how high school fucked up my life and the hatred I have for the ones who invented a system in which you're put with complete strangers in a room (I was put awy from friends in freshman) and got with complete unempathetic idiots who let me for every year of school without giving me a chance to talk to them. I was a victim of being forced to spend half my life in a room with people that I didn't like and couldn't change my environment thanks to the way high school is arranged.

In a natural environment hundreds of years ago, there never existed something like this, a place where you're forced to be alone with people that don't like you. You can't go to new places to talk and meet new people like the freedom ancient kids would have, this stupid system created regular bullying and imposed social isolation thanks to the unnatural way it forces you to live life beside human trash if you're unlucky enough to be put with it, stuck with them 8 hours a day for 4 years. No wonder all that stress got to me so bad.

So yeah, my genes, environment, the time and I was raised. I only needed one thing of those to be a bit different. A bit more luck. But nothing. Fuck off life.

 

[JadedGray]

I can't agree more.

This is something mostly only people who experienced a bad school experience will truly get so feel free not read:

I was thinking how high school fucked up my life and the hatred I have for the ones who invented a system in which you're put with complete strangers in a room (I was put awy from friends in freshman) and got with complete unempathetic idiots who let me for every year of school without giving me a chance to talk to them. I was a victim of being forced to spend half my life in a room with people that I didn't like and couldn't change my environment thanks to the way high school is arranged.

In a natural environment hundreds of years ago, there never existed something like this, a place where you're forced to be alone with people that don't like you. You can't go to new places to talk and meet new people like the freedom ancient kids would have, this stupid system created regular bullying and imposed social isolation thanks to the unnatural way it forces you to live life beside human trash if you're unlucky enough to be put with it, stuck with them 8 hours a day for 4 years. No wonder all that stress got to me so bad.

So yeah, my genes, environment, the time and I was raised. I only needed one thing of those to be a bit different. A bit more luck. But nothing. Fuck off life.

I sympathize. People in the past did better living in smaller societal groups. The less people the more of a collective people are and better able to relate and emphasize. As soon as there is too many people it becomes divide and conquer and every man for themselves. Living among so many people breeds apathy. Everyone becomes another number/cog.